Norwich Cadets Hockey 2011-2012: In Search of a Title

[hockeyfan77]

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. 3. I'm pretty sure that either Todd is very clueless, or he did know about it. When something like that shows up in not one, but both of the TV highlight packages, I find it hard to believe that he did not see it, or that somebody on his staff did not see it. I can take back the "no class," but I don't believe there is any way that he was not aware of it. Castleton is developing a reputation that is not good, and having something like this go unpunished does not help
I absolutely agree with you about the goal of college athletics, but I want to reiterate that you are assuming a lot. Yes, it was covered in the highlights, but the Spartans headed to Burlington for their St. Mike's game after leaving Norwich, I'm sure there was some game prep going on rather than sitting down to watch the evening news. I understand why assumptions are made, but for those of us who are familiar with the Castleton program, we know what kind of character Coach Todd has and the expectations he has for his players on and off the ice. It would be great if we could stick to discussing the Xs and Os of the games rather than speculating about people's character.

Doesn't the opposing team get a DVD of the game???? It was probably still AVAIL on the computer anyway....You would think that it was watched by somebody???? Even if what you say is true, CSC has a bad rep and that is something the coach SHOULD know about....

 

[Jumbos617]

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I knew it wouldnt take too long. Nice try tho, not even going to come close to buying it. Maybe he can use that in his lie, I mean excuse of why. Todd has his chance to at least attempt to make things right. Lets hope the Castleton heads step in and do something the HEAD coach should have done....but Im guessing probably not.

I can understand that fans want to see the best in their own teams and vilify their opponents, but what I can't understand is the need to assassinate someone's character when they are just trying to do their job. I'm sure everyone who posts on here has missed something at work or dropped the ball at one time or another, does that mean that you are automatically a liar or that your bosses need to step in and do something? Keep in mind, this is Coach Todd's chosen career and let's assume that he has the intention of staying in the profession for the long haul, why would he intentionally coach his team to play dirty? Do you think that's a good way to stay employed? Do you think the Castleton administrators saw those qualities in him and thought, yes! We want to hire someone with low morals and no class!
All of that aside, let's consider some things. At the end of last season, Coach Todd sat players during the playoffs for taking cheap shots/bad penalties. One was a senior and one was on the power play. This season only about 6 players on the roster have played every game. Top performers like Alonzo, though healthy, haven't played after taking penalties. Can I prove that this is the reason? No, but let's assume it is. Most importantly, almost a year to the day ago, when Castleton beat Norwich, a Norwich player butt ended a Castleton player on his way to the monkey pile, and when the point was raised on the fan forum, the response from Norwich fans was, "No big deal, the game was already over, etc". That was also in the WCAX coverage. It goes both ways, there are two sides to every situation, it doesn't mean that one has to be wrong and the other has to be right.

 

[PSUChamps2001]

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I can understand that fans want to see the best in their own teams and vilify their opponents, but what I can understand is the need to assassinate some's character when they are just trying to do their job. I'm sure everyone who posts on here has missed something at work or dropped the ball at one time or another, does that mean that you are automatically a liar or that your bosses need to step in and do something? Keep in mind, this is Coach Todd's chosen career and let's assume that he has the intention of staying in the profession for the long haul, why would he intentionally coach his team to play dirty? Do you think that's a good way to stay employed? Do you think the Castleton administrators saw those qualities in him and thought, yes! We want to hire someone with low morals and no class!
All of that aside, let's consider some things. At the end of last season, Coach Todd sat players during the playoffs for taking cheap shots/bad penalties. One was a senior and one was on the power play. This season only about 6 players on the roster have played every game. Top performers like Alonzo, though healthy, haven't played after taking penalties. Can I prove that this is the reason? No, but let's assume it is. Most importantly, almost a year to the day ago, when Castleton beat Norwich, a Norwich player butt ended a Castleton player on his way to the monkey pile, and when the point was raised on the fan forum, the response from Norwich fans was, "No big deal, the game was already over, etc". That was also in the WCAX coverage. It goes both ways, there are two sides to every situation, it doesn't mean that one has to be wrong and the other has to be right.

In the words of Journey....Dont stop believing....

It was not "No big deal, the game was already over, etc"...people passed it off because it was just that, a joke. There was no SPEAR...wasn't even close to what your little Sprartan did. Keep trying you might get there. If he was doing his J-O-B that kid would not have stepped foot on the ice, period. Why would he? We don't know. But its been going on for years now. When you rank where you do in the average penalty minutes over the years, it starts at the top.

 

[Jumbos617]

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You see what you want to see, it doesn't matter what points I raise, I'm not going to change your mind, that's fine.

 

[PSUChamps2001]

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You see what you want to see, it doesn't matter what points I raise, I'm not going to change your mind, that's fine.

Because you don't have anything to stand on....you can try any excuse you want, and thats all it will be...that DOES not belong in the game, PERIOD..change the team from being goons and maybe just maybe people would respect Castleton and Coach Todd....Castleton doesn't have the rep they do from being missjudged or people not seeing what you see...people see the facts. Stop playing busch league hockey.

 

[NUProf]

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Let me defend my comments in three ways. 1. There's always a bit of hyperbole that is expressed on this board. "No class" is probably going a bit far. 2. I'm angry that it happened and that it was so blatant. From my seat in Section 22, I saw it happen. That goes beyond the subtle little poking an prodding that happens all the time. ...

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It would be great if we could stick to discussing the Xs and Os of the games rather than speculating about people's character.

First of all, I apologized for the "no class" remark - was "spoken" out of anger. The act was outrageous. Those who know me on these boards know that I rarely get into ****ing matches with anyone. I would find it just as discomforting to see such an act by a Norwich player. There are some things that just should not take place, and physical contact with an opposing player after the final whistle is one of those. Such actions should not be tolerated. I don't know coach Todd, so you are correct the "no class" remark was way out of line. I am, however, angry that an action of that nature has gone unpunished.

 

[CSC Dad]

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You see what you want to see, it doesn't matter what points I raise, I'm not going to change your mind, that's fine.

After last February's Norwich-Castleton game the Norwich fans were irate about a Castleton player not being disciplined by Castleton for a high-stick, however they never adequately explained why their player was not disciplined by their Coach for a “facemask” penalty. Now it is was called on the ice and the player thrown out of the game, so the Coach had to have known about the call. The player played the next day. They called Coach Todd and the Castleton administration out on that issue, but conveniently exonerated their coach and Norwich’s administration.

Castleton will never win this battle because they are the “new guy in town” and this sports is all about the “old guard” being the top dog.

http://www.collegehockeystats.net/1011/boxes/mcstnrw1.f11
NRW-5 Pasha Kozhokin (2-Hitting after the Whistle) 17:35
NRW-6 Tory Allan (5-Facemask) CST 1x5 17:35
NRW-7 Tory Allan (10-Game Misconduct) 17:35
CST-7 Justin Alonzo (2-High-Sticking) 17:35
CST-8 Justin Alonzo (2-Hitting after the Whistle) 17:35
CST-9 Justin Alonzo (10-Misconduct) 17:35

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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After last February's Norwich-Castleton game the Norwich fans were irate about a Castleton player not being disciplined by Castleton for a high-stick, however they never adequately explained why their player was not disciplined by their Coach for a “facemask” penalty. Now it is was called on the ice and the player thrown out of the game, so the Coach had to have known about the call. The player played the next day. They called Coach Todd and the Castleton administration out on that issue, but conveniently exonerated their coach and Norwich’s administration.

Castleton will never win this battle because they are the “new guy in town” and this sports is all about the “old guard” being the top dog.

http://www.collegehockeystats.net/1011/boxes/mcstnrw1.f11
NRW-5 Pasha Kozhokin (2-Hitting after the Whistle) 17:35
NRW-6 Tory Allan (5-Facemask) CST 1x5 17:35
NRW-7 Tory Allan (10-Game Misconduct) 17:35
CST-7 Justin Alonzo (2-High-Sticking) 17:35
CST-8 Justin Alonzo (2-Hitting after the Whistle) 17:35
CST-9 Justin Alonzo (10-Misconduct) 17:35

You conveniently forgot to mention Alonzo slew-footing Chris Duszynski earlier in the the game.

 

[PSUChamps2001]

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After last February's Norwich-Castleton game the Norwich fans were irate about a Castleton player not being disciplined by Castleton for a high-stick, however they never adequately explained why their player was not disciplined by their Coach for a “facemask” penalty. Now it is was called on the ice and the player thrown out of the game, so the Coach had to have known about the call. The player played the next day. They called Coach Todd and the Castleton administration out on that issue, but conveniently exonerated their coach and Norwich’s administration.

Castleton will never win this battle because they are the “new guy in town” and this sports is all about the “old guard” being the top dog.

http://www.collegehockeystats.net/1011/boxes/mcstnrw1.f11
NRW-5 Pasha Kozhokin (2-Hitting after the Whistle) 17:35
NRW-6 Tory Allan (5-Facemask) CST 1x5 17:35
NRW-7 Tory Allan (10-Game Misconduct) 17:35
CST-7 Justin Alonzo (2-High-Sticking) 17:35
CST-8 Justin Alonzo (2-Hitting after the Whistle) 17:35
CST-9 Justin Alonzo (10-Misconduct) 17:35

You're right, Norwich is the old guard, and is respected because they dont finish in the bottom half in penalties each year and are not known for producing these cheapshots year in year out.......

 

[Ozz]

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IMHO.... Facemasking is very different than hitting another player with the butt end of the stick..

 

[NUProf]

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And now let's bring on Plattsburgh. How will Emery change his strategy this week? Will he go defensive against the Cadets like he did at Kenyon, or will he try something different?

 

[Jumbos617]

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And now let's bring on Plattsburgh. How will Emery change his strategy this week? Will he go defensive against the Cadets like he did at Kenyon, or will he try something different?

Thank you for getting this thread back on track.

 

[jerrynu26]

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And now let's bring on Plattsburgh. How will Emery change his strategy this week? Will he go defensive against the Cadets like he did at Kenyon, or will he try something different?

IMO, he goes with the same plan, and relies on his forwards to score. Plattsburgh wasn't far off in the Primelink game, just had to score. The game was a lot closer than the score indicated, and than some people think. Add to that one defenseman potentially being out, and it might be enough to change the outcome.

 

[Old Rook NU'66]

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Great weekend for an exhausted Cadet team. Watched the Cadets on video Friday night and then drove up to school to watch them play Skidmore the next day--as I always attend the Skid/NU game.

Saturday, the Thoroughbreds continued to show that they can run with the big dogs for most of a game--and once again they gave us a great game. Have seen all the NU games so far and agree they were a little flat this weekend. But our boys have to be exhausted after having been challenged by (#6) Plattsburg, (#7) Elmira and (#3) Castleton in eight days--and now face Plattsburg once more. They are knee deep in casualties and while that has happen before the difference I see now is this year there seems to be a crush of new Cadet players who are not just hungry to step into the breach but have proved that once they are there--- they are able to got the job done.

And forget all the negative stuff about Castleton. It isn't worth the balloon juice. But I will say my favorite "non hit" on the video feed appeared to be a Castleton defense player moving in to slam Kyle Thomas against the boards--and just as he was about to lay on his hit--Thomas just speeded up, skated by as the Castleton player checked himself right into the boards. Ouch--that hurt.

Actually I am only surprised given the quality officiating that the "offending" CS player wasn't sent off to "stand in the corner" for some imaginary two minute infraction for self abuse. You just could not make up the officiating.

But Thomas has been outstanding this year with what appears to be more finely honed skills that have been added to his already lightening speed. He is just so fast and agile--and wow when he breaks away. By the way--all the goalies--Castleton's Cinotti , Skidmore's Bessey as well as Parker Carroll and Chris Czarnota played superb games. They deserve all the kudos they got.

Sure Cadets look a little tired. But now its time to reach down deep for one more win and then be rewarded with close a month to tend the wounded and recharge their batteries before addressing the balance of the season. Hopefully we will then see a fully healed team when we see Castleton again in their joint. Middlebury-- "they ain't"-- but it should be great game.

 

[gr8day4hockey]

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You're right, Norwich is the old guard, and is respected because they dont finish in the bottom half in penalties each year and are not known for producing these cheapshots year in year out.......

It appears to me that Castleton averages about 4 minutes more in penalties that the "choir boys" at Norwich and Plattsburgh and is no where near the tops in penalties....that being said Yes the butt end was uncalled for, was it as bad as y'all make it out to be ..No it happened right in front of me, the free pass the Norwich player got for the whacks on Cinotti to gain the first 5 on 3(even the Norwich announcers on tv said it should not have happened) or the 2 hand slash by Thomas and a no call....yes Norwich is always at the bottom in penalties but from my experience at Norwich I see they don't get called for obvious penalties either. I know the "good ol boys" will blast me but I'm good with it....I would agree that Castleton had problems with the box 2 and 3 years ago but they have made great strides as evidenced buy the stats below:



Penalty Minutes: Games PIM PIM/G
1 Suffolk 9 229 25.4
2 Framingham State 6 150 25.0
3 Saint Michael's 8 196 24.5
4 Westfield State 9 219 24.3
5 Lawrence 10 238 23.8
6 Salve Regina 9 212 23.6
7 Finlandia 10 233 23.3
8 Wis-Stevens Pt. 11 251 22.8
9 Morrisville 10 221 22.1
10 Plymouth State 8 175 21.9
11 Adrian 11 237 21.5
12 Potsdam 9 193 21.4
13 Johnson & Wales 8 170 21.2
14 Hobart 9 187 20.8
15 Wis-River Falls 10 203 20.3
16 Brockport 11 219 19.9
17 Northland 10 199 19.9
18 Univ. New England 9 179 19.9
19 Nichols 9 174 19.3
20 St. Norbert 11 212 19.3
21 Southern N.H. 10 191 19.1
22 Curry 7 133 19.0
23 Utica 9 170 18.9
24 Salem State 7 132 18.9
25 Neumann 8 148 18.5
26 Fredonia 11 203 18.5
27 Cortland 12 221 18.4
28 St. Scholastica 10 184 18.4
29 Becker 10 176 17.6
30 Oswego 11 192 17.5
31 Elmira 10 173 17.3
32 Wentworth 10 164 16.4
33 Amherst 6 98 16.3
34 Wesleyan 7 113 16.1
35 Wis-Eau Claire 12 192 16.0
36 Bowdoin 6 94 15.7
Trinity 6 94 15.7
38 Manhattanville 6 93 15.5
39 Stonehill 9 138 15.3
40 Concordia (MN) 11 168 15.3
41 Wis-Superior 11 165 15.0
42 Augsburg 9 133 14.8
43 Conn. College 5 73 14.6
44 Southern Maine 7 102 14.6
45 Tufts 7 101 14.4
46 Williams 6 85 14.2
47 Buffalo State 11 155 14.1
48 Assumption 12 169 14.1
49 Franklin Pierce 7 97 13.9
50 Saint Anselm 7 96 13.7
51 Gustavus Adolphus 10 137 13.7
52 Marian 12 164 13.7
St. Olaf 12 164 13.7
54 New England Coll. 8 108 13.5
55 UMass Dartmouth 8 107 13.4
56 Bethel 12 155 12.9
57 Wis-Stout 11 142 12.9
58 St. John's 9 116 12.9
59 Hamilton 6 77 12.8
60 Milwaukee S. E. 10 126 12.6
61 UMass Boston 10 125 12.5
62 Fitchburg State 8 99 12.4
63 Geneseo 11 135 12.3
64 Western N.E. 8 97 12.1
65 Hamline 10 120 12.0
66 Castleton 11 131 11.9
67 Concordia (WI) 12 141 11.8
68 Lake Forest 10 117 11.7
69 Skidmore 10 114 11.4
70 Colby 6 68 11.3
71 Middlebury 6 66 11.0
72 St. Thomas 11 116 10.5
73 Saint Mary's 10 100 10.0
Worcester State 9 90 10.0
75 Babson 9 88 9.8
76 Plattsburgh 10 89 8.9
77 Norwich 8 64 8.0

 

[CROSBYNU63]

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Castleton has improved over the past few years in both the quality of play and in the way in which they play the game. Sometimes it takes time to erase a bad reputation. At this point in time it is a shame that just a couple of players on the team still resort to a style of play that is really uncalled for. The thing of it is they really are a very good team and do not have to resort to this kind of play.

 

[Norwich59]

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Castleton has improved over the past few years in both the quality of play and in the way in which they play the game. Sometimes it takes time to erase a bad reputation. At this point in time it is a shame that just a couple of players on the team still resort to a style of play that is really uncalled for. The thing of it is they really are a very good team and do not have to resort to this kind of play.

Agree!

 

[PSUChamps2001]

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You're not even half way through the season. Nice try. Hense the reason I said year(S) not the first 10 games of the season. Strides yes, want a cookie? Facts are facts and Castleton needs to worry more about hockey if they want to make the next step at becoming a contender. And it starts with the coach. Its a sad shame nothing was done and probably wont. A coach needs to have control of his team and when you've averaged in the top third in penalty minutes and you STILL see crap like this, you have to question.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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Castleton has improved over the past few years in both the quality of play and in the way in which they play the game. Sometimes it takes time to erase a bad reputation. At this point in time it is a shame that just a couple of players on the team still resort to a style of play that is really uncalled for. The thing of it is they really are a very good team and do not have to resort to this kind of play.

Great post.

 

[gr8day4hockey]

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You're not even half way through the season. Nice try. Hense the reason I said year(S) not the first 10 games of the season. Strides yes, want a cookie? Facts are facts and Castleton needs to worry more about hockey if they want to make the next step at becoming a contender. And it starts with the coach. Its a sad shame nothing was done and probably wont. A coach needs to have control of his team and when you've averaged in the top third in penalty minutes and you STILL see crap like this, you have to question.

Keep your cookie thanks....I just did a quick check and in Norwich's first 8 games this year they already have two 5 min penalties, Pier 5 min High Stick(played the next game) must not have been as bad as the refs call eh?/ and Baked a 5 min Boarding call(again played the next game) I am sure if I wanted to waste more time on this I could find instances where a pLattsburgh player played right after a flagrant call