Northeastern Huskies 2011-2012 Season Thread: Year of the Mad Dog

[Huskies01]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2011-2012 Season Thread: Year of the Mad Dog

Well that didn't take long

Your right. But I was saying that on DHD when he got hired. And complained about the hiring process itself. Sebastian should have gotten the job, 6 game suspension and all.

 

[steve66]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2011-2012 Season Thread: Year of the Mad Dog

A couple things. Even if we had a healthy Quailer and Cody in the lineup last night we still would have gotten killed last night. Talent wise we do not match up with BC. I think we may have been fooled a bit by all the one goal games played between these teams of late, BC finally was firing on all cylinders, and we paid a heavy price for it.

I do not even put the blame on Rawlings. The first one was a bad goal, but do not forget the idiotic turnover that lead to it. The 2nd one I am sort of willing to give him a pass on as again, a horrible turnover by a dman who should know better, and Rawlings was forced to go side to side which is going to open up the 5 hole every time. From there two shorthanded goals he had no chance on, and the fourth one off a dumb rebound on his part. He did not have his best game, the defense in front of him had his worst game. I was following twitter last night and the idea that clay Witt is a better option in goal is laughable.

Honestly though, i put the blame for this on the coaches. The special teams has been a disaster this year. Guys on this team do not seem to know their roles and over stretch what they are capable of. And do not get me started on the lines last night and how Pimm is being wasted with JDaniels and Dong.

All I heard about Madgian was how he is a great speaker, gets people fired up about NU and can sell the University. None of that means he can coach. I go back to the Friday game against UMASS. Start of OT, the UMASS players were all standing on the bench, excited, smelling blood in the water ready to go. Our guys were sitting, hands in their laps looking like the 2011 Red Sox minus the fried chicken and beer. They wanted to be anywhere but there. The UMASS guys all wanted to be the guy to score the game winning goal, our guys wanted to be as far from the ice as possible. IF not for the horrible goal tending of UMASS, we probably lose that game, as a good goalie pushes the puck out of the slot, a UMASS guy would have started up the ice, probably one of our dman would be out of position, its a 2 on 1 up the ice, and then a goal.

Madigan seems to be able to get these guys to play a strong first ten minutes, but after that they either shoot their load and have nothing left, or the other team scores and he cant get them going again. During the TO last night after the 4th goal did it seem to anybody here like he was getting through to them? Did not to me and i had front row balcony seats right across from the bench.

Look Madigan is probably a great guy and has more love for Northeastern then everyone on this board combined. He is the wrong guy for this job. And I do not want to read he needs to bring in "his guys." Who would that be? Untalented players he is going to mold? A good coach takes all the parts given to him and does something with it. He is taking a team that at its best should be boarder line home ice. We are boarder line making the playoffs. Yes, injuries and suspensions have played a major role, but the talent on this team has not performed up to the way it should have this year.

I wrote it on DHD before it went down last night. If Madigan truly loves this team, he will do the right thing and walk away at the end of the season before he does more damage. Two season of this in a row, and sorry people, but next years team depending on departures after this season is really going to need some serious coaching to be able to be as good as this years version, and we will be back to the Crowder days where 7th place looks good.

Again I will say I have no idea why anyone thought or still does think this team is a 4th place team? They lost there top 4 scorers and there #1 Dman off of last years team? Whcih was a 6th place team by the way. For three of Cronin's 6 years he has Thiessen as a goalie, you think that helped? Your defense of Rawlings plays last night is all I need hear. You need to give Madigan time, from what I have heard is that there class next year is pretty good. Good coach should be able to coach his the parts he was given. Cronin won 3 gams in hi sfirst year with Crowders castoffs.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2011-2012 Season Thread: Year of the Mad Dog

There was an audible, collective groan when BC scored the first goal. It wasn't a slapper

Hmmmmm... really, it WAS a slapper. One-timed on the bad drop pass by (I think) Gaudreau.

 

[Huskies01]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2011-2012 Season Thread: Year of the Mad Dog

Again I will say I have no idea why anyone thought or still does think this team is a 4th place team? They lost there top 4 scorers and there #1 Dman off of last years team? Whcih was a 6th place team by the way. For three of Cronin's 6 years he has Thiessen as a goalie, you think that helped? Your defense of Rawlings plays last night is all I need hear. You need to give Madigan time, from what I have heard is that there class next year is pretty good. Good coach should be able to coach his the parts he was given. Cronin won 3 games in his first year with Crowders castoffs.

The team that Cronin was left with after Crowder was a disaster. There was zero talent on that team. There are 10 draft picks on this team. Cronin found a way to win with Rawlings down the stretch last year with a trip to the Beanpot Finals and a trip to semi finals in the Garden again after winning 2 out of 3 at bu. There was more then enough talent on this team to challenge for fourth place. Look at it this way +19 at even strength, -14 on special teams. That tells me that there is more then enough talent here, its just not being coached well enough. They have scored 14 power play goals, and given up 8 shorthanded! How is that Rawlings?

Rawlings was an issue last night, no doubt. But he was not the only issue. Guys quitting on the supposed master motivator was the problem. Quitting in a beanpot!

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2011-2012 Season Thread: Year of the Mad Dog

Quitting in a beanpot!

Given the historical performance of NU in the Beanpot, perhaps quitting BEFORE the Beanpot would be a bit better.

 

[Huskies01]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2011-2012 Season Thread: Year of the Mad Dog

Given the historical performance of NU in the Beanpot, perhaps quitting BEFORE the Beanpot would be a bit better.

go back to your bc thread. We will let you know when your needed.

 

[steve66]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2011-2012 Season Thread: Year of the Mad Dog

The team that Cronin was left with after Crowder was a disaster. There was zero talent on that team. There are 10 draft picks on this team. Cronin found a way to win with Rawlings down the stretch last year with a trip to the Beanpot Finals and a trip to semi finals in the Garden again after winning 2 out of 3 at bu. There was more then enough talent on this team to challenge for fourth place. Look at it this way +19 at even strength, -14 on special teams. That tells me that there is more then enough talent here, its just not being coached well enough. They have scored 14 power play goals, and given up 8 shorthanded! How is that Rawlings?

Rawlings was an issue last night, no doubt. But he was not the only issue. Guys quitting on the supposed master motivator was the problem. Quitting in a beanpot!

And those 10 draft picks include the Daniels brothers, really. What the hell does that mean? They suck. Cronin won with last years team, look at last years team and you think it compares to this years?

 

[Huskies01]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2011-2012 Season Thread: Year of the Mad Dog

And those 10 draft picks include the Daniels brothers, really. What the hell does that mean? They suck. Cronin won with last years team, look at last years team and you think it compares to this years?

I never said they were a home ice team. I said they should be fighting for it. There is more then enough talent to challenge for it. Daniel brothers and all. New players step into the roles of those that graduate every year. bu lost two major players at the same position in December. They got BETTER. Its called coaching.

 

[fahey4prez]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2011-2012 Season Thread: Year of the Mad Dog

Last night was terrible and I am as outraged as anybody, but it is a little too soon to call for Madigan's head. I hope that is just a knee-jerk reaction, Huskies01. He inherited the team late in the offseason and hasn't even begun to leave his mark yet. There are some decent recruits coming in next year to include Jon Gillies (#1 goalie in the USHL), Darcy and Aston-Reece. The younger Ferriero is committed to come in a couple of years and the coaching staff is high on him.

The team quit last night but I think that was a result of Rawlings and not Madigan. They played hard and fought to get the game to 2-1, but that 3rd softie that Rawlings let in was the dagger. Rawlings was just so bad last night...Madigan's biggest mistake last night was not yanking him after the second goal. You could just tell what kind of night it would be after the 2mph dribbler (2nd goal) went through the 5-hole.

That being said, something HAS to be done with the PP. I don't even know where to begin but the number of goals scored by the opposing team and grade-A chances allowed is totally sickening and disheartening. I have never seen anything like it. It is just so consistently bad and somehow hasn't been fixed. It is an instant handicap for NU. If that isn't fixed by next season then Madigan does need to go because he clearly has no coaching ability.

 

[steve66]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2011-2012 Season Thread: Year of the Mad Dog

I never said they were a home ice team. I said they should be fighting for it. There is more then enough talent to challenge for it. Daniel brothers and all. New players step into the roles of those that graduate every year. bu lost two major players at the same position in December. They got BETTER. Its called coaching.

Its called talent!

 

[Huskies01]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2011-2012 Season Thread: Year of the Mad Dog

Last night was terrible and I am as outraged as anybody, but it is a little too soon to call for Madigan's head. I hope that is just a knee-jerk reaction, Huskies01. He inherited the team late in the offseason and hasn't even begun to leave his mark yet. There are some decent recruits coming in next year to include Jon Gillies (#1 goalie in the USHL), Darcy and Aston-Reece. The younger Ferriero is committed to come in a couple of years and the coaching staff is high on him.

The team quit last night but I think that was a result of Rawlings and not Madigan. They played hard and fought to get the game to 2-1, but that 3rd softie that Rawlings let in was the dagger. Rawlings was just so bad last night...Madigan's biggest mistake last night was not yanking him after the second goal. You could just tell what kind of night it would be after the 2mph dribbler (2nd goal) went through the 5-hole.

That being said, something HAS to be done with the PP. I don't even know where to begin but the number of goals scored by the opposing team and grade-A chances allowed is totally sickening and disheartening. I have never seen anything like it. It is just so consistently bad and somehow hasn't been fixed. It is an instant handicap for NU. If that isn't fixed by next season then Madigan does need to go because he clearly has no coaching ability.

Madigan can keep his head, just not the job. I did not find the third goal given up to be a bad one. It was another 2 on 1 shorthanded goal with a forward back on defense. That was not Rawlings fault. The fourth one was more on him. Fifth again was a shorthanded 2 on 1 when the pass was actually blocked but Rawlings was already moving with the pass and could not get back.

I know the recruits coming in next year are good. Problem is its going to be very tough to get Gillies on campus as his rights are owned by Roy's team in the Q. I would not blame a kid if he felt that playing for Patrick Roy was better for his career. I would find it hard to believe if any kid turned that down for any college hockey team. Aston-Reece is a few years away along with Ferriero. But Aston-Reece is not a Madigan recruit, he is a Keefe recruit since he changed his mind from Brown to NU after Keefe left for NU. If Keefe goes, probably so does Reece. We will see if Ferriero makes it to campus as he is also two years away, and its not like his family does not have a history of changing their minds. Cam Darcy and Mike Gunn have me excited, but anybody after that to me is a huge question mark if we will ever see them here. If I were them I would be very careful about coming here based off what has gone on here since January when the games start to get tougher and teams need to bear down, ours has gone the otherway.

 

[Huskies01]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2011-2012 Season Thread: Year of the Mad Dog

Its called talent!

Which we have. Its the coaching piece that is missing. Again, untalented teams do not go +19 at even strength. This teams GAA is actually middle of the pack, only 3 teams in Hockey East have given up less goals then us, even with the rough defense and the supposedly horrible goaltending we have. Good coaching this year would have this team in a much better position.

 

[northeastern]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2011-2012 Season Thread: Year of the Mad Dog

...Madigan's biggest mistake last night was not yanking him after the second goal..

Agree with this 100%.. Gaudreau got nothing on the backhander.. just sailed to the net like a Mite hockey shot. Chris did not follow it at all.. just knee jerk reaction. Bad night for him. It happens.

The decision to not yank him since he (Rawlings) was so unfocused.. this gets back to experience behind the bench. A coach with experience would've seen that right away. We are speaking with the benefit of hindsight of course. I am prepared to give Madigan time. I did not have great hopes this season but the sweep at Notre Dame, then wins over Michigan, Minnesota.. started to think we had something going.

Bottomline.. just wish from here on out Coach does his homework off ice & not learn on the job. Cost us last night & might happen again this season. Nxt season no excuses. Rawlings has been solid for us several times this season.. but Coach has to send the msg - night in night out.. you compete or get out of the way. Same goes for everyone else on the team.

 

[steve66]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2011-2012 Season Thread: Year of the Mad Dog

Agree with this 100%.. Gaudreau got nothing on the backhander.. just sailed to the net like a Mite hockey shot. Chris did not follow it at all.. just knee jerk reaction. Bad night for him. It happens.

The decision to not yank him since he (Rawlings) was so unfocused.. this gets back to experience behind the bench. A coach with experience would've seen that right away. We are speaking with the benefit of hindsight of course. I am prepared to give Madigan time. I did not have great hopes this season but the sweep at Notre Dame, then wins over Michigan, Minnesota.. started to think we had something going.

Bottomline.. just wish from here on out Coach does his homework off ice & not learn on the job. Cost us last night & might happen again this season. Nxt season no excuses. Rawlings has been solid for us several times this season.. but Coach has to send the msg - night in night out.. you compete or get out of the way. Same goes for everyone else on the team.

You say that he shoudl have been pulled and that he didn't was based on lack of coaching experience. Can I ask what your coaching experience is that you have the credentials to make that decision? Easy for people in the seats to say pull him cause our opnion is not going to be acted on and judged.

 

[northeastern]

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It's an opinion.. you have yours, i have mine.. thankfully . It's what we do on a message board.
I did state.. it was with the benefit of hindsight.

You can agree with some.. disagree with others. Cool?

 

[steve66]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2011-2012 Season Thread: Year of the Mad Dog

It's an opinion.. you have yours, i have mine.. thankfully . It's what we do on a message board.
I did state.. it was with the benefit of hindsight.

You can agree with some.. disagree with others. Cool?

No, NO I understand it is an opinion, you think he should have been pulled there, I would not have argued with that. The thing that got me was that you said due to a lack of experience he didn't pull him. My feeling is that if he started Rawlings he felt as though he is his best goalie and he gived his team the best chance to win, so yes both goals were weak but you are 10 minutes into the game and it is 2-0. If the team can get the next one which they did they will be back in it and we hav eseen goalies go from bad to good in the same game. I am sue that was his thought.

 

[Huskies01]

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The score after one period was 2-1. The two goals Rawlings had given up were weak, helped along by pretty poor turnovers by the defense in front of him, but the game was far from over.

Then the special teams took over. We were now down 5-1, after being given the first 4 power plays in the game, and had been outscored on our own PP 2-1. We were probably out chanced on our own PP too. Look at the Whitney penalty, he should have scored there but got cocky, and up to that point we had done nothing on the PP.

Rawling's weak goals might have taken the wind out of our sails, the special teams was a title wave that sunk us. That's it, that's fact. Where is the coaching?

 

[nufan2001]

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From what I've heard... It seems someone became ban happy last night over at die hard dogs over the game. Bans handed out like candy.

That being said I didn't expect much from this team in the Beanpot. They haven't beat the top two teams at all this season. Oh well. Least it matters for nothing in reality.

 

[chase.ma]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2011-2012 Season Thread: Year of the Mad Dog

Haven't seen this thread this active since we went to the NCAA's a few years ago.

1 - We all know Rawlings has always had the reputation of choking in big games. Last night was not entirely his fault, even though he gave up some softies. We barely won any loose puck battles, didn't skate as hard, weren't as physical, and couldn't get shots on net.

2 - the whole pull / don't pull Rawlings thing. Cronin left Theissen in for some bad losses too: http://www.collegehockeystats.net/0607/boxes/mmnenoe1.d09 , http://www.collegehockeystats.net/0708/boxes/mbu_noe1.f22

3 -

Agreed, but, Reid, Oleksiak and Newton were Cronin’s kids and I don’t see that quality in the next 2 classes.

Just remember B. Reid was supposed to come to NU three years earlier got hurt and had disciplinary problems. Oleksiak wasn't as highly touted of a collegiate recruit as everyone thinks, go back and look at what people were saying about him when he committed. On a similar note, I think the fact that we have "10 drafted players" on this team means nothing. Projectability from NHL scouts does not equal collegiate success. On the other hand we have seen tons of undrafted players be great NCAA players.

4 - as for future recruits, Cockerill, Olsson,Willet, Gunn, Aston-Reese, Belonger, Saucerman, and Askew have all committed to NU after Madigan was officially announced as coach. Anecdotally it seems that this crew of players is as highly touted as the players that Cronin brought in.

 

[Patronick]

Re: Northeastern Huskies 2011-2012 Season Thread: Year of the Mad Dog

Rawlings was an issue last night, no doubt.

My, how far we've come since Jan 18:

But you are right about Carr and Rawlings, they are not in the same league. Rawlings is Major League compared to Single A short season for Carr.

Of the two goalies, one of them is playing at the highest level he ever will, the other one will a future pro. Here is a hint, Rawlings is the pro.

Just for those of you keeping score at home:

1.88/.932 (2.00/.932)
2.44/.919 (2.71/.919)

So my question is, and please pardon the intrusion, how does it feel to be THAT wrong? How has making a statement so amusingly outlandish and ridiculous worked out? Just curious.