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North Dakota '16 - '17 Season Thread - Let's Do It Again

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Drew S. said:
Bang on, especially on a part of the play that didn't really effect the goal being scored. Replay needs to end across all the sports.
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This.

I actually think they got the "call" right, it was offside. But it had no impact on the goal. They gained no "unfair" advantage by the play being offside, what, 6 inches? What impacted the goal was Curry completely forgetting to play a 360 degree game and letting Brown sneak in unnoticed to put the puck in. If it truly gave the Sioux an unfair advantage, all the BU players would have been screaming and skating to the officials. They all did what players normally do when a good goal is scored against them in an OT, they droop and skate slowly away. They all thought it was a goal. Not like when someone plows into the netminder or something egregious.

I hate replay. This isn't life or death. Its a friggin' game. Replay kills momentum. It kills the excitement of what is the most exciting of all sports, playoff hockey. Get rid of it today and the game will be better for it.

And by the way, I have no dog in the fight, so who won or lost that game did not matter at all to me, just watching it because it was a college hockey playoff game.
 
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Congrats on a good season and a dominating performance last night everywhere except the scoreboard. Every team has had that experience of running into a hot goalie and having them steal a game, which is what happened last night. As a long time BU fan, it has been a LONG time since I have seen BU look that inept in their own zone.

On the offsides, I think it was pretty clear once they got the picture frozen at the right juncture, that it was offsides. I have railed against reviewing for anything that isn't directly related to the puck being in the net (clock, kicking, etc.) - for all the reasons others have stated. It really had no bearing on how the goal was scored. Very tough break for you guys.

One play that will be forgotten was the play about 30 seconds before the GWG when the puck snuck in behind Johnson. I'm pretty confident that the puck was across the goal line before the whistle, but the ref intended to blow it by then. Calling THAT a goal would have taken some serious guts, and I think the ref would have needed a police escort.
 
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Nice run, again, boys. As usual, if the Badgers don't make it, I pull for the Fighting Sioux. (Yea, I know, blah, blah, hawks). In the past 6 days I'm 0-3 in OT in sports I watched.....blame me.
 
MadCityRich said:
Nice run, again, boys. As usual, if the Badgers don't make it, I pull for the Fighting Sioux. (Yea, I know, blah, blah, hawks). In the past 6 days I'm 0-3 in OT in sports I watched.....blame me.
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My neighbor, and good friend, is from Appleton. We have a deal. He cheers for UND hockey and I cheer for Wisconsin basketball.

We're going drinking today.
 
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If you have access to the Vancouver/Minnesota game you can watch Brock Boeser playing his first pro game. It's on right now.
 
Darius said:
Unless the officials had replay angles that television did not, that offside call overturning the goal was a joke. All sports, all replays nee a timer. If it isn't immediately obvious (in 45 seconds?) that a call was wrong, then move on.
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Getting the call right should always be the ultimate goal. It's ridiculous to say replay be ****ed out of some ridiculous ideal that human error should be part of the game.
 
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Patronick said:
Getting the call right should always be the ultimate goal. It's ridiculous to say replay be ****ed out of some ridiculous ideal that human error should be part of the game.
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It's even more ridiculous to say that video replay should have a time limit. :rolleyes:

Sean
 
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Sean Pickett said:
It's even more ridiculous to say that video replay should have a time limit. :rolleyes:

Sean
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Says you! :) The NFL rule is along the lines of the referee having 60 seconds to watch the instant replay of the play and decide if the original call was correct. The referee must see "incontrovertible visual evidence" for a call. My thinking is move on if "incontrovertible visual evidence" can't be seen in a reasonable amount of time.
 
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Darius said:
move on if "incontrovertible visual evidence" can't be seen in a reasonable amount of time.
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Which is the whole point of replay, right? This has been my point all along. In a LOT of cases there NEVER IS "incontrovertible visual evidence." That's why I say let humans use judgment as long as humans are playing the sport. When androids start playing, then you can use computers to "officiate." Or better yet, just use virtual reality to play every game. In fact, we don't even have to have games. Let's just all put on the glasses and play the games in our minds. That way, our team can always win! :D
 
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Tyson Jost signs with the Avs. Saw that coming a mile away. Avs are in need of help. Lots of help.
 
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Your school can (insert very obscene acts of sexual activity, left to your imagination) after what they did to the women's team. Oh, and for the disappointment for the recruit that LANDED TONIGHT thinking she had a team.

For real, your school is a complete joke.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Your school can (insert very obscene acts of sexual activity, left to your imagination) after what they did to the women's team. Oh, and for the disappointment for the recruit that LANDED TONIGHT thinking she had a team.

For real, your school is a complete joke.
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North Dakota has never been a true hockey state. On the men's side they've always relied on imports, mostly Canadians or Minnesotans, because their own high schools were so bad. So their decision to drop women's hockey, while unfortunate, is certainly no surprise. Might as well now change their mascot name to the "Chicken Hawks".
 
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Another former UND player, Team Canada defenseman Halli Krzyzaniak, posted a lengthy note to Twitter on Wednesday in which she described the school’s actions as “extremely disrespectful.” “I am no longer proud to be a part of UND,” she wrote.
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Ouch.

Sun to a shadow
Rose to a thorn,
Ain't no fury
Like a woman's scorn - Prince
 
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Brenthoven said:
Your school can (insert very obscene acts of sexual activity, left to your imagination) after what they did to the women's team. Oh, and for the disappointment for the recruit that LANDED TONIGHT thinking she had a team.

For real, your school is a complete joke.
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D2D said:
North Dakota has never been a true hockey state. On the men's side they've always relied on imports, mostly Canadians or Minnesotans, because their own high schools were so bad. So their decision to drop women's hockey, while unfortunate, is certainly no surprise. Might as well now change their mascot name to the "Chicken Hawks".
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First, this is really the wrong thread for your rant. The Men's program had nothing to do with the decision to cut women's hockey. It would be akin to talking about the Minnesota football program's gang rape problems in the hockey thread (since you brought it up though, I guess by your logic, Minnesota should change its name to the "Golden Gang Rapists?"). This should be brought up over in the Women's forum.

Second, the school really had its hands tied behind its back. They were forced by the state legislature to make budget cuts, and needed to cut at least $1.3 million from the athletic budget. The Women's Hockey program costs more per athlete than any other sport. I think most people have an issue with how this news got to the women's hockey team. It was unfortunate and poorly done. However, there was no easy way to announce the decision.

Third, as for the recruit being on campus, she had already committed. Further, what should the school have done? Ceased operating all of its athletic programs until a decision had been made? Organizations need to operate as normal as possible when considering cuts all the way up to point when the decision is made. Consider this hypothetical: An employer is considering eliminating departments within the company and will likely make the decision by Tuesday or Wednesday. People in three different departments are scheduled to go on business trips Sunday night, and will return Thursday night. Should the company: (a) cancel all business trips until the decision is made, effectively stopping the company from operating; or (b) keep business operating as normal until a final decision on which department(s) will be eliminated? Every employer I know would check option b. It has bad optics, but the alternative is worse.

Fourth, you must not follow the North Dakota men's program and/or the North Dakota high school hockey scene much. North Dakota has almost always had a nice presence of local players on the team. Fortunately, the university has also attracted top end talent from across North America (with the occasional European). It has led to tremendous results on the ice.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Your school can (insert very obscene acts of sexual activity, left to your imagination) after what they did to the women's team. Oh, and for the disappointment for the recruit that LANDED TONIGHT thinking she had a team.

For real, your school is a complete joke.
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So what exactly is your solution Brent?

If you are upset the story leaked out before the women's team was notified, I agree, that was unfortunate. But I think at least in part that is really not on the University so much as it is on the selfish individual(s) who were given access to the information and elected to spill the beans before University officials could advise the team and coaches and release it to the media officially. That person should be fired.

But, let's ignore that crap for a moment and talk about the decision to actually cut the program. Is that what you are upset about, because if so, I'd really like to hear the solution.

Last I checked the U of M's women's hockey team lost about $1.5 million in 2016, just like North Dakota's, and your team is probably the most successful in women's hockey, in the center of a hockey state. Minnesota has kept it's women's hockey team and other money bleeding teams at the U alive entirely on the back of education. Last I saw, U athletics was running about an $8 million deficit annually, picked up entirely by tuition.

Great. Unfortunately we didn't have that option at UND. We're a school at best 1/5 the size of Minnesota, in a state of 650,000-700,000 people. Furthermore, they were instructed by the Legislature to cut $1.3 million from athletics, not just raise tuition by $1.3 million. We are a University. The primary purpose here is the education of students, not the fielding of athletic teams.

But we're all ears. If someone has a great idea, throw it out there. I'm sure there are other schools that would love to hear it.
 
Re: North Dakota '16 - '17 Season Thread - Let's Do It Again

According to the NCAA Membership Financial Reporting System filed by the University of Minnesota on Jan. 26, 2017, the Statement of Revenues and Expenses for the fiscal year ending June 30, 2016 (UNAUDITED) indicated the athletic program had an aggregate fiscal surplus of $2,832,455. Tuition support has very little to do with balancing the athletic budget (Direct Institutional Support was $975,000).

Major revenue streams are:

Ticket Sales ($23,889,905)
Media Rights ($22,379,338),
Contributions ($15,250,676),
Other Operating Revenue ($12,830,602),
Royalties, Licensing, Advertisement and Sponsorships ($10,422,398),
Conference Distributions (Non Media and Non Bowl) ($8,120,939),
Indirect Institutional Support ($6,080,984),
Program, Novelty, Parking and Concession Sales ($5,896,361),
NCAA Distributions ($5,030,884),
Bowl Revenues ($1,232,720),
Athletics Restricted Endowment and Investments Income ($1,084,472),


Total Operating Revenues - $113,506,279
Total Operating Expenses - $110,673,824
Excess (Deficiencies) of Revenues Over (Under) Expense - $2,832,455
 
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