Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

[walrus]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

You can doubt it all you want. I'm stating the range owners policy and I know what happens when things are allowed.

I guess 9 yr old girls are better at handling Uzis than I thought.

 

[SJHovey]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

I disagree. The gun range owner has stated that they have a policy allowing 8 year olds to shoot UZI's and 5 year olds to shoot .22's. I bet it happens every single day.

I'll take that bet, even in Arizona.

 

[Priceless]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

It's only ok if the Reverend Al is at the head of the pack.

The same Reverend Al who called out the looters in Ferguson, or did you mean a different Reverend Al

 

[Old Pio]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

BS

You don't start with an Uzi and you certainly don't teach a kid gun safety with a weapon he or she is extremely unlikely to ever have/use.

This was for kicks and a video op.

It's like doing driver training in an Indy car.

 

[SJHovey]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

The same Reverend Al who called out the looters in Ferguson, or did you mean a different Reverend Al

Same one.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

Texas can secede anytime now

The South's gonna do it again.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

Here's more information.

Investigators said no laws were broken. In Nevada and Arizona, it’s up to the gun range to allow a particular minor to fire a gun, CBS News reported.

Scarmardo said kids 8 and older were allowed to shoot firearms, but as a result of the accident, the range has changed it policy.

Shooters now have to stand at least 5 feet tall or be at least 12 years old.

Police say there will be no charges in the incident, but the consequences are lasting.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/08...l-accidentally-kills-gun-instructor-with-uzi/

 

[Old Pio]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

Remember that the ultimate goal of these programs was not merely to relieve the pain of poverty, but to attack its root causes. The main problems were:

1. That goal eroded almost before it began. The poor don't vote and there are always plausible cover stories to deny them systemic reforms, so they are the first group that gets screwed in every negotiation.

2. Many Americans refused to admit we have a class structure, so social programs get repackaged as entitlements rather than charity. Entitlements balloon in cost and are vulnerable to the demographic trends you cite.

3. It's very easy to pander to racist narratives when poverty correlates with race. Hence the meme of the Chicago welfare queen (who never existed) and the general insistence by white people that they shouldn't have to "subsidize" the "black culture of violence." The irony is the typical recipient of food stamps is the white child of the fundies who vote to "screw those urban animals." The ideologues who oppose social spending stoke this fear to destroy the whole system.

I think people are finally starting to figure out 2. One thing the Great Recession showed us was just how little regard the 1% has for the 99%. The GOP can keep running deceptions like calling this "envy," but that act, long shopworn among the more educated, is even starting to grow old among the (increasingly, unable to find work) working class.

1. is a long term issue that I suspect is tied closely to 3.

3. is a huge. We really need the Martians to attack or something so that people will just cut the crap on race. My hope is miscegenation ultimately makes it completely moot (and gives us a population of multiracial super models).

Forever Selma

 

[Priceless]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

I guess 9 yr old girls are better at handling Uzis than I thought.

Or they have managed not to kill anyone when they spray bullets everywhere.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

The same Reverend Al who called out the looters in Ferguson, or did you mean a different Reverend Al

The race riots had already started. He didn't have to incite them, as is his lifetime custom. Seriously, you want to defend that race pimp?

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

That's not what I'm saying, I'm saying the girls parents never should have put her in that situation and you shouldn't need a law to understand that

I don't. Clearly some do. That's why we have laws.

What's difficult about understanding that?


Oh yeah... it's guns and some are reflexively against any laws where guns are concerned.

Pot? Gotta have some controls on that!

Guns?

 

[Old Pio]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

Interesting indeed.

So, the equivalent of making Nidal Hasan the face of the military to prove the army needs to be dismantled.

I believe that's what's known as a tactical retreat. "who never existed."

What never?
No never
What never?
Well, hardly ever

 

[walrus]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

I don't. Clearly some do. That's why we have laws.

What's difficult about understanding that?


Oh yeah... it's guns and some are reflexively against any laws where guns are concerned.

Pot? Gotta have some controls on that!

Guns?

I'd vote to legalize pot any and every chance I could. Talk about a waste of resources. But as a parent I wouldn't let my 9yr old smoke it

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

I'd vote to legalize pot any and every chance I could. Talk about a waste of resources. But as a parent I wouldn't let my 9yr old smoke it

Would you be okay with individual parents getting to decide whether their 9 year old could drive the car? Would you be in favor of getting rid of that law?

I understand that you are probably smart enough not to let yours.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

Would you be okay with individual parents getting to decide whether their 9 year old could drive the car? Would you be in favor of getting rid of that law?

I understand that you are probably smart enough not to let yours.

May as well. Earlier post had 3 year old's flying planes.

 

[walrus]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

Would you be okay with individual parents getting to decide whether their 9 year old could drive the car? Would you be in favor of getting rid of that law?

I understand that you are probably smart enough not to let yours.

Can the 9 yr old pass a drivers test?, I drive alot might be better than the drivers I see every day.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

Punishing drug users serves no great purpose, you're not going to prevent such actions in the future.

I tend to agree. You watch any episode of any "reality" cop show, and it's mainly devoted to busting pathetic oafs who are on drugs. Strikes me society would be better off if those scarce resources were deployed elsewhere. If these people want to destroy their lives, let them*. My principal concern is the crime junkies commit to raise the money to buy more junk. On the other hand, I'm perfectly willing to send the SEALS in to whack the big international cartel guys.

*The usual caveats apply here, taking care of children, driving, etc.

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

Can the 9 yr old pass a drivers test?, I drive alot might be better than the drivers I see every day.

So you know that your stance is indefensible.

Thanks.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

You can doubt it all you want. I'm stating the range owners policy and I know what happens when things are allowed.

This is the mindset responsible for stickers on ceiling fans reminding homeowners not to stick their diks in them while they're on.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

You do know how reasonable doubt works, right?

Yes, some guilty parties go free, just as some of the innocents are convicted. That's how the system works, unfortunately.

He's applying the same standard here he's been applying in Ferguson. Personally, I wouldn't have lost any sleep if the father had plugged the guy. But the prosecution had no proof. Just surmise. And that's not sufficient. Just as it won't be sufficient in Ferguson. And wasn't sufficient with George Zimmerman.