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Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

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FreshFish said:
The soft bigotry of low expectations is such an apt phrase. You really think you are helping someone by constantly telling them they cannot make it on their own without special help? help that is so special that it has become a permanent institution?
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Where has he said anyone can't do anything? :confused:
 
FreshFish said:
The soft bigotry of low expectations is such an apt phrase. You really think you are helping someone by constantly telling them they cannot make it on their own without special help? help that is so special that it has become a permanent institution?
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How does me calling you out on your b.s. imply anything about anyone other than you?
 
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unofun said:
How does me calling you out on your b.s. imply anything?
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especially as you didn't even "call me out." You asserted it, I provided evidence to the contrary, and then you changed the subject and hoped no one else would notice.

You are pretty good at that. Did they teach you that in law school? when the evidence is against you, throw out as many distractions as you can think of?
 
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Priceless said:
Where has he said anyone can't do anything? :confused:
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You and every other member of the chorale (from the Community Organizer in Chief on down) have asserted repeatedly that black folks "be too hepless to gets them an ID card. Lawdy."
 
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FreshFish said:
especially as you didn't even "call me out." You asserted it, I provided evidence to the contrary, and then you changed the subject and hoped no one else would notice.

You are pretty good at that. Did they teach you that in law school? when the evidence is against you, throw out as many distractions as you can think of?
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What's the old dictum? When the facts are against you, argue the law. When the law is against you, argue the facts. And when the facts and the law are against you, pound the table.
 
FreshFish said:
especially as you didn't even "call me out." You asserted it, I provided evidence to the contrary, and then you changed the subject and hoped no one else would notice.

You are pretty good at that. Did they teach you that in law school? when the evidence is against you, throw out as many distractions as you can think of?
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A random YouTube video with a whopping 2000 hits and an interview from Morgan Freeman where he defends the president is evidence? That wouldn't make it through the front door in a court.
 
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unofan said:
A random YouTube video with a whopping 2000 hits and an interview from Morgan Freeman where he defends the president is evidence? That wouldn't make it through the front door in a court.
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Somebody really ought to start a tally on how many references (direct and indirect) you make about your exalted status as a lawyer. You and John Edwards.
 
Old Pio said:
You and every other member of the chorale (from the Community Organizer in Chief on down) have asserted repeatedly that black folks "be too hepless to gets them an ID card. Lawdy."
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It has nothing to do with anyone being "too helpless" to get an ID card. But I know by now it's pointless to correct you. Better to just let you spout your illogical tales.
 
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Priceless said:
It has nothing to do with anyone being "too helpless" to get an ID card. But I know by now it's pointless to correct you. Better to just let you spout your illogical tales.
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Yet you never hear anyone saying any ethnic group, save blacks, has some sort of fundamental inability to navigate their way to the DMV. Strange. You guys spout that racist condescending codswallop with so much faux sincerity, you've probably convinced yourselves.

Eric Endicott explains to Virgil Tibbs why Tibbs prefers the epiphytics:

"Because, like the Negro,
they need care and feedin' and cultivatin'.
And that takes time."

He might have added: "especially when it comes to getting a photo ID card."
 
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Res ipsa loquitor:

Back in the heyday of the British Empire, a man from one of the colonies addressed a London audience. ‘‘Please do not do any more good in my country,” he said. “We have suffered too much already from all the good that you have done.”

That is essentially the message of an outstanding new book by Jason Riley about blacks in America. Its title is “Please Stop Helping Us.”

Its theme is that many policies designed to help blacks are in fact harmful, sometimes devastatingly so. [emphasis added] These counterproductive policies range from minimum wage laws to “affirmative action” quotas.

This book untangles the controversies, confusions and irresponsible rhetoric in which issues involving minimum-wage laws are usually discussed.

Black teen unemployment rates ranging from 20 to 50 percent have been so common over the past 60 years that many people are unaware that this was not true before there were minimum-wage laws, or even during years when inflation rendered minimum-wage laws ineffective, as in the late 1940s.

Pricing young people out of work deprives them not only of income but also of work experience, which can be even more valuable. Pricing young people out of legal work, when illegal work is always available, is just asking for trouble.

So is having large numbers of idle young males hanging out together on the streets.

When it comes to affirmative action, Riley asks the key question: “Do racial preferences work? What is the track record?” Like many other well-meaning and nice-sounding policies, affirmative action cannot survive factual scrutiny.

Some individuals may get jobs they would not get otherwise but many black students who are quite capable of getting a good college education are admitted, under racial quotas, to institutions whose pace alone is enough to make it unlikely that they’ill graduate.

Studies that show how many artificial failures are created by affirmative-action admissions policies are summarized in “Please Stop Helping Us,” in language much easier to understand than in the original studies.

Unlike academics who just tell facts, Riley knows which facts are telling.

For example, in response to claims that blacks don’t do well academically because the schools use an approach geared to white students, he points out that blacks from foreign, non-English-speaking countries do better in US schools than black, English-speaking American students.

Asian students do better than whites in schools supposedly geared to whites. In three elite New York City public high schools — Stuyvesant, Bronx Science and Brooklyn Tech — there are more than twice as many Asian students as white students.

So much for the theory that non-whites can’t do well in schools supposedly geared to whites.

On issue after issue, “Please Stop Helping Us” cites facts to destroy propaganda and puncture inflated rhetoric. It is impossible to do justice to the wide range of racial issues — from crime to family disintegration — explored in this book.

His brief comments pack a lot of punch. For example, “having a black man in the Oval Office is less important than having one in the home.”
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Priceless said:
Wow. The NY Post is pimping a book by a member of the WSJ Editorial Board. What are the odds?
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This is your brain. This is your brain on libt*rd. Impervious to any thought not approved by the NYT.
 
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FreshFish said:
Res ipsa loquitor:
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Not even close.

The black teen unemployment rate reached 48.6% in June 2013, but by June 2014 it was 33.4% with a low of 30.7% somewhere in between. Those are very large fluctuations. For whites it was high as 22.7% in June 2013 and down to 18.9% a year later.

Employment status of the civilian population by race, sex, and age

Exactly where is the demonstrated cause and effect that this is caused by minimum wage? And how exactly could that become race related? This writer also states:

This book untangles the controversies, confusions and irresponsible rhetoric in which issues involving minimum-wage laws are usually discussed.
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Let me guess – the rhetoric is one-sided only?

I don't think it takes a genius to know that teen unemployment is caused by many of the very same reasons there is UE at every age range: Some don’t want to work, jobs are being taken (or held) by an increased number of aged workers that more than ever can’t afford to retire, and because they’ve grown up in an environment in which their parents (or lack thereof) didn’t push them, mentor them or lead then toward a mentality of putting forth hard work and effort.

The u/e rate disparity by race isn’t limited by age at any level. If the minimum wage is too high, this isn’t a reason. For someone that seems to be advocating boosting the well being of minorities and dispelling myths, he's failing.

As for the supposed “artificial failures” of affirmative action, I’ve no doubt that some people are set up to fail by being put into situations they cannot handle (A Devastating Affirmative-Action Failure), it hasn't been shown here that the overall success/failure rate would improve were affirmative action policies removed and/or lessened? I’d say the results are at best mixed, at worst damaging. (How Minorities Have Fared in States With Affirmative Action Bans)

Also: Does Affirmative Action Do What It Should?
Political changes in the ’90s created another opportunity to study mismatch. In 1996, California voters passed Prop 209, a ban on affirmative action. Critics of Prop 209 expected black and Hispanic enrollment at top University of California schools, like U.C.L.A. and Berkeley, to plummet — and it did, for a while. But these schools eventually saw increases in minority enrollment, particularly among Hispanics, as sophisticated new outreach programs kicked in. Enrollment has not, however, gotten back to pre-Prop 209 levels.
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Studies also showed that bar exam results when AA existed were not disproportionate between blacks and whites, suggesting for the most part AA enrolled students were not set up to fail.

Then there’s this: Ten Myths About Affirmative Action

Where are the examples of entities with existing AA policies that are clearly causing more harm than good? As far as I know in MN, no business is required to hire at any specific rate - only that they must have a written action plan and policy statement that details goals, objectives and timetables for completion, a policy for defining and prohibiting discriminatory harassment, an internal discrimination complaint policy, etc., etc.

Although to be honest since it’s 100% obvious you have an agenda and do nothing but regurgitate spoon-fed FNC rhetoric, I’m probably wasting my time here.
 
Slap Shot said:
Although to be honest since it’s 100% obvious you have an agenda and do nothing but regurgitate spoon-fed FNC rhetoric, I’m probably wasting my time here.
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Easier just to say,
Wow. The NY Post is pimping a book by a member of the WSJ Editorial Board. What are the odds?
:)
 
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