Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

[Kepler]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

I'm sure that man and the nurse had a lot to do with whatever your b itch is

Oh, it's a tragedy for them, obviously. But if you asked doctors where the Zombie Plague breakout was going to happen, 98% would have picked our short bus social-geographical area.

 

[walrus]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

Oh, it's a tragedy for them, obviously. But if you asked doctors where the Zombie Plague breakout was going to happen, 98% would have picked our short bus social-geographical area.

DC and the surrounding areas?

 

[Old Pio]

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The irony is the outbreaks so far have been in the state that more than any other was responsible for diverting the wealth of the nation from the public good to private pockets. Karma's a b1tch.

You've got remarkable monomaniacal discipline. You can make your two or three favorite points under just about any circumstances.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

DC and the surrounding areas?

No, silly. The WMA is our soulless social-geographical area.

 

[joecct]

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Well, it IS Massena. http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/...=wdt.me&utm_content=https://www.facebook.com/

I thought MountieBoyOz would post this. It is his paper.

 

[XYZ]

The irony is the outbreaks so far have been in the state that more than any other was responsible for diverting the wealth of the nation from the public good to private pockets. Karma's a b1tch.

Do you actually believe that?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Do you actually believe that?

You don't think Government should be held accountable for their choices? We cut a lot of medical research dollars while building up other nations infrastructure. You reap what you sow and Texas has done a lot of reaping.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

One of the big problems with the self-declared "conservative" geniuses who have been telling us for 40 years that gubmint should be small enough "to drown in a bathtub" is when the significant problems that federal resources would combat worsen, they cut and run.

The right never takes any responsibility for anything, either politically or personally. They preach "personal responsibility" because it is utterly absent from their philosophy. When things are going well they puff out their chests and say "See? Laissez-faire miracle!" But when their neglect results in chaos they hide under the bed, and all that yowling about "managerial elites" and "the horrors of collectivism" becomes a resentful murmur.

The good news is most voters have caught on to the scam. The bad news is it has taken 37 years and cost us untold dollars and lives. Quite a price to pay so that a handful of billionaires could evade their taxes. Thanks a lot, guys.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

One of the big problems with the self-declared "conservative" geniuses who have been telling us for 40 years that gubmint should be small enough "to drown in a bathtub" is when the significant problems that federal resources would combat worsen, they cut and run.

The right never takes any responsibility for anything, either politically or personally. They preach "personal responsibility" because it is utterly absent from their philosophy. When things are going well they puff out their chests and say "See? Laissez-faire miracle!" But when their neglect results in chaos they hide under the bed, and all that yowling about "managerial elites" and "the horrors of collectivism" becomes a resentful murmur.

The good news is most voters have caught on to the scam. The bad news is it has taken 37 years and cost us untold dollars and lives. Quite a price to pay so that a handful of billionaires could evade their taxes. Thanks a lot, guys.

We haven't learned yet. Mitch will be in control of the Senate and the Republicans will be in Control of everything but the White House at the Federal Level. Obama and the Filibuster are going to be our only checks against these clowns come January.

 

[unofan]

Do you actually believe that?

Rick Perry cut state firefighting funds then ran to the feds for more help when praying for rain turned out not to be a viable solution to a massive forest fire.

Not saying what happened here is the same, but there is precedent.

 

[joecct]

We haven't learned yet. Mitch will be in control of the Senate and the Republicans will be in Control of everything but the White House at the Federal Level. Obama and the Filibuster are going to be our only checks against these clowns come January.

Your guy Harry gutted the filibuster, remember?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

Your guy Harry gutted the filibuster, remember?

Not really. It still applies for most things. They gutted it so they could fill the Federal Jobs that are open and STILL the Republicans have blocked most of them.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

Your guy Harry gutted the filibuster, remember?

Not even close, yet. "Gutted" will be when we eliminate it for all legislation and confirmations. That's coming -- if the GOP had a hat trick they'd do it right this minute. They'd probably keep blue slips because the GOP is much more about building and exploiting personal power bases at the state level. (Ironic, since 50 years ago it was exactly the opposite; it may just come down to who is stuck holding the steaming bag of South at any given time.)

 

[joecct]

Not even close, yet. "Gutted" will be when we eliminate it for all legislation and confirmations. That's coming -- if the GOP had a hat trick they'd do it right this minute. They'd probably keep blue slips because the GOP is much more about building and exploiting personal power bases at the state level. (Ironic, since 50 years ago it was exactly the opposite; it may just come down to who is stuck holding the steaming bag of South at any given time.)

IIRC the filibuster it's a Senate rule that can be changed simply by a majority vote of the Senate. If the majority party wants to change the rules, they can - and did without any input/oversight from anyone else.

BTW, what is the cause of your pathological hatred of the South?

 

[Kepler]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

IIRC the filibuster it's a Senate rule that can be changed simply by a majority vote of the Senate. If the majority party wants to change the rules, they can - and did without any input/oversight from anyone else.

Yes, procedural rules can be changed by a simple majority vote. The sole reason why the GOP didn't do it before and the Dems didn't take it farther was political calculation. With the GOP now taken over by zombies, the Dems had a smaller price to pay for going nuclear so they did. There was no deterrence in the consequence that this gives a future GOP majority cover to keep the rules because everybody knows the GOP would immediately do it the moment they had a Senate majority and the White House. One of the hidden costs of the right's lunacy is they have lost all credibility in negotiation. Nobody believes they will keep a promise because the tub-thumpers now control all the levers that actually get stuff done.

However, the really fun theater will be if the GOP takes the Senate, because they can put on a huge theatrical production of "Restoring Traditional Minority Rights" by re-instituting the old rules. This is beautiful gimmickry since it's consequence-free (any Senate bill nutty enough to pass with less than 60 would be vetoed anyway) and inside the Beltway it also appears to be smart politics, since if the Dems come back strong in 2016 and retake the majority and the WH they'll have to change the rules yet again, giving the Republicans something else to whine about.

But it's too clever by half. 95% of the electorate doesn't follow any of this stuff. The 5% who do are dialed in enough to know exactly why the parties are behaving the way they are right now.

 

[SJHovey]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

We haven't learned yet. Mitch will be in control of the Senate and the Republicans will be in Control of everything but the White House at the Federal Level. Obama and the Filibuster are going to be our only checks against these clowns come January.

I think we've learned. The majority of the people, for whom power and political control of government are not the "be all end all" realize that this is just part of the way our government works. I actually like the fact that we go back and forth. That we have people who want to try to starve public spending and those who think public spending is necessary and important. It keeps the system going.

Neither party's economic philosophy is correct. I don't know that there even is a correct philosophy. Doesn't it strike anyone else as strange that we have these nobel prize winning economists, geniuses (supposedly) in economic theories, yet there is no commonly accepted "right answer" as to monetary policy, tax policies, government spending policies, etc...?

I think that's because there is no correct answer. To sustain itself it isn't all bad that we let one set of clowns run things for awhile, then boot them and put the other clowns in charge.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I think we've learned. The majority of the people, for whom power and political control of government are not the "be all end all" realize that this is just part of the way our government works. I actually like the fact that we go back and forth. That we have people who want to try to starve public spending and those who think public spending is necessary and important. It keeps the system going.

Neither party's economic philosophy is correct. I don't know that there even is a correct philosophy. Doesn't it strike anyone else as strange that we have these nobel prize winning economists, geniuses (supposedly) in economic theories, yet there is no commonly accepted "right answer" as to monetary policy, tax policies, government spending policies, etc...?

I think that's because there is no correct answer. To sustain itself it isn't all bad that we let one set of clowns run things for awhile, then boot them and put the other clowns in charge.

Sure. And if it means we can't handle Ebola and a Trillion dollars goes into dust in the Middle East, so be it.

 

[unofan]

I think we've learned. The majority of the people, for whom power and political control of government are not the "be all end all" realize that this is just part of the way our government works. I actually like the fact that we go back and forth. That we have people who want to try to starve public spending and those who think public spending is necessary and important. It keeps the system going.

Neither party's economic philosophy is correct. I don't know that there even is a correct philosophy. Doesn't it strike anyone else as strange that we have these nobel prize winning economists, geniuses (supposedly) in economic theories, yet there is no commonly accepted "right answer" as to monetary policy, tax policies, government spending policies, etc...?

I think that's because there is no correct answer. To sustain itself it isn't all bad that we let one set of clowns run things for awhile, then boot them and put the other clowns in charge.

Keynesian is as close to agreed upon economic policy as there is. It even has biblical roots (the seven years of feast, seven years of famine story).

The problem is liberal governments only follow it in the famine years, but forget what to do in the feast years. Meanwhile conservative governments do the actively wrong thing in lean years by pushing austerity.

 

[Kepler]

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I think that's because there is no correct answer. To sustain itself it isn't all bad that we let one set of clowns run things for awhile, then boot them and put the other clowns in charge.

This is correct and it's the way things used to work. There was actually a time when the GOP was conservative in the sense of "conserving institutions and values." They started to come unglued in the 80s with the Moral Majority. They stoked up a cult they thought they could control, and they kept it in an ideal subservient role for 20 years, winning them elections while having to deliver virtually nothing in return.

It's funny but the guys who screamed about the "welfare plantation" created a religious plantation. They probably thought they could control it forever (Rove's "permanent majority"). But it was inherently unstable. Middle class non-fundies who found themselves starting to slip back to poverty due to GOP policies bailed. That shifted the balance of power within the party so far to the right that the field hands revolted and started to challenge the masters. The story's not over yet -- from this last cycle it looks like the masters have reasserted control. But meanwhile all of them keep aging, and eventually Mother Nature will take care of the problem.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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This is correct and it's the way things used to work. There was actually a time when the GOP was conservative in the sense of "conserving institutions and values." They started to come unglued in the 80s with the Moral Majority. They stoked up a cult they thought they could control, and they kept it in an ideal subservient role for 20 years, winning them elections while having to deliver virtually nothing in return.

It's funny but the guys who screamed about the "welfare plantation" created a religious plantation. They probably thought they could control it forever (Rove's "permanent majority"). But it was inherently unstable. Middle class non-fundies who found themselves starting to slip back to poverty due to GOP policies bailed. That shifted the balance of power within the party so far to the right that the field hands revolted and started to challenge the masters. The story's not over yet -- from this last cycle it looks like the masters have reasserted control. But meanwhile all of them keep aging, and eventually Mother Nature will take care of the problem.

You believe that? They've changed voting laws in so many states so they can stay in power and people actually think what they've done is ok. Thank goodness someone is bothering to report the counter to it but unfortunately no one watches.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...-voting-laws-hurt-turnout-report-339871811878