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Nice Planet XI: Stop the World, I Want to Get Off!

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SJHovey said:
At the same time, I happened to be in a Cabela's outdoor store with a friend, and I watched him buy about 20 boxes of handgun ammunition (he sells insurance). Again, when I asked why his response was that you simply can't find that ammunition anywhere, so when you come across it in a store you have to stock up on it.

Both of these situations were identical. Neither was brought on by an intent, overt or subliminal, to engage in some criminal activity. To my knowledge neither my father's nor my brother's handguns have been fired to this day. Their actions weren't creepy, to my way of thinking. Basically they fell victim to a form of marketing. Someone told them they weren't going to be able to get something. The statement was made for purposes of gathering votes, but had the secondary effect of creating an entirely artificial demand for something they otherwise had no intention of buying. I think what you see today in this country regarding guns and ammunition is explained in large part by that precise phenomena.
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You can see this all over Maine, when some store gets .22 long rifle, its gone in a heartbeat, might not get it next week. Never thought of it as marketing but **** its brillant.
 
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Big surprise.

Twitter has suspended George Zimmerman's social media account after inappropriate photos appeared on his page Thursday.

"This is Heather. She cheated on me with a dirty Muslim," read one tweet from Zimmerman's account. Her phone number followed the post with a topless photo.
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This can only mean one thing. DREAM REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE!
 
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Kepler said:
Hate Radio lionized him. I'm amazed he doesn't have a Fox show already, but maybe this will get him one.
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I was a defender of his actions, however, (and I'm assuming here) I think I was with the majority thinking he was a scumbag.
 
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Brenthoven said:
I was a defender of his actions, however, (and I'm assuming here) I think I was with the majority thinking he was a scumbag.
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Have his subsequent actions changed your opinion of his original incident? I have to say, I thought he was a murderer then, and everything he has done since has only deepened my opinion.
 
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Kepler said:
Have his subsequent actions changed your opinion of his original incident? I have to say, I thought he was a murderer then, and everything he has done since has only deepened my opinion.
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I have to treat the case as it was presented, using those facts only. I try to not let outside prejudices influence my views. Sometimes I fail at that, sometimes I succeed. You know?
 
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Brenthoven said:
I have to treat the case as it was presented, using those facts only. I try to not let outside prejudices influence my views. Sometimes I fail at that, sometimes I succeed. You know?
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I understand, but I think we had to make certain assumptions in the original case, and later evidence as to behavior and judgment absolutely colors my subsequent opinion. I am obviously not in favor of ever retrying a case, and I don't believe subsequent evidence should ever be used to tell someone "you should have known better," but, for example, I actually thought Armstrong was clean at first and that the Euros were slandering him. Subsequently I understood, nah, he was cheating all along.
 
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Kepler said:
I understand, but I think we had to make certain assumptions in the original case, and later evidence as to behavior and judgment absolutely colors my subsequent opinion. I am obviously not in favor of ever retrying a case, and I don't believe subsequent evidence should ever be used to tell someone "you should have known better," but, for example, I actually thought Armstrong was clean at first and that the Euros were slandering him. Subsequently I understood, nah, he was cheating all along.
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And if Armstrong came back and was accused of doping again, I'd hope that I could put aside his history, and judge on the new case in a separate manner. I do understand what you are saying, though, and it's all good.

Edit: I also thought Lance was clean for all that time and LeMond was a bitter jealous man. I cannot apologize enough for that mis-characterization, especially after having met Mr LeMond.
 
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I don't need post-case information to tell me Zimmerman was guilty, there was enough real time to convince me of that. That was an OJ case all over again.
 
Brenthoven said:
I was a defender of his actions, however, (and I'm assuming here) I think I was with the majority thinking he was a scumbag.
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Not sure how you could ever defend that a hole. He follows the guy and engages him, playing cop when the cops told him not too. If you had some creep following you around you probably wouldn't react well. But he shot a brown person so it must be justified.

Stand your ground is a bad law, especially if it can be applied to Zimmerman. It basically gives you the right to escalate any situation into a guns drawn scenario where you have the right to shoot first.
 
Slap Shot said:
I don't need post-case information to tell me Zimmerman was guilty, there was enough real time to convince me of that. That was an OJ case all over again.
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He had all the gun nuts behind him. And the NRA. I actually know people that hope to be victims of crime so they get to be a bad *** gun owner and shoot someone.
 
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BassAle said:
Not sure how you could ever defend that a hole. He follows the guy and engages him, playing cop when the cops told him not too. If you had some creep following you around you probably wouldn't react well. But he shot a brown person so it must be justified.

Stand your ground is a bad law, especially if it can be applied to Zimmerman. It basically gives you the right to escalate any situation into a guns drawn scenario where you have the right to shoot first.
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Once I was living at a place, and a barfight broke out in my driveway. Damaged my roomate's vehicle. Police were involved, etc. Asked the cop about actions we could have taken, and he said, "Off the record, if you feel threatened, you do what you need to do." It's a good law in theory, but with all the legalese and exceptions and PR....well......

That being said, the law is the law, like it or not.
 
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