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Nice Planet X: I knew it, I'm surrounded by a-holes!

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Kepler said:
I feel the same way, but it also has to be a kick in the teeth if you're say a rape victim who the university buried because they didn't believe you / didn't want to deal with it / were terrified of their liability / "how were you dressed?" etc and now these HUR HURs are making their little joke.

The RAPE CULTURE folks do have one thing right: if you joke about somebody else's tragedy, you're an a-hole. Rape victims and professional comedians get to make rape jokes; everybody else is DQed.
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Maybe instead of pouring outrage towards stupid frat boys, they pour that outrage towards something like St. Clown's suggestion.

And * that bs about jokes. I don't care, this is funny.
 
St. Clown said:
A simple answer for the university is to hand over all rape investigations to the police - be they local municipals or the laughable university polices, and have them work with the local DA's office. Once judgment or plea is reached, take action on that student's status at the school. Let students know that this will be the policy from day one, that all allegations will be handled seriously and not "seriously," and you'll reduce (never fully remove) the issue on campus. Give them instructions and/or literature on those things that do not work as a defense for rape accusations (I was drunk AND she was drunk, etc.), and go from there. It's possible to put the rape culture to rest without turning the young men on campus into veritable eunechs.
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The problem, for better or worse, is that colleges are generally covered by state and federal anti-discrimination laws, and if their policy is to not do anything until the judicial system takes action, they open themselves up to harassment lawsuits. Even if the justice system finds the alleged rapist not guilty, the civil standard of preponderance of the evidence is much lower than beyond a reasonable doubt. And unlike a business where they could just fire an accused employee in most cases, the alleged perp has more rights as a fellow student. So a school often has convoluted hearings about issues they aren't equipped to handle because they have deans and professorial committees making legal decisions.

Tl;dr: Schools, like businesses, have an independent legal duty to investigate harassment claims.
 
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St. Clown said:
Have you seen the way guys are dressing on college campuses for the past few years with their big earrings, skinny jeans, and tight t-shirts? De-nutted, to say the least.
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Those are the hipsters. Frat bros are going with pastel colored above the knee shorts, boat shoes, and a tank top, preferably striped or Murican flag.
 
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St. Clown said:
Have you seen the way guys are dressing on college campuses for the past few years with their big earrings, skinny jeans, and tight t-shirts? De-nutted, to say the least.
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It's really funny you should say that. Two Saturdays ago I was in the taxi line at the Cosmopolitan Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas with some buddies at about 9 p.m. I'll confess, ours what not exactly what you'd call a fashion forward group -- pretty much standard shorts and some sort of beer or university t-shirt. As we stood there, one of the guys in our group raised a very good question-- when did guys start wearing capri pants (sometimes with the leg bottoms rolled up, no less) to go out on the town?
 
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SJHovey said:
It's really funny you should say that. Two Saturdays ago I was in the taxi line at the Cosmopolitan Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas with some buddies at about 9 p.m. I'll confess, ours what not exactly what you'd call a fashion forward group -- pretty much standard shorts and some sort of beer or university t-shirt. As we stood there, one of the guys in our group raised a very good question-- when did guys start wearing capri pants (sometimes with the leg bottoms rolled up, no less) to go out on the town?
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I've noticed that a few times on the commuter bus this summer, at least two of the younger guys on the bus - fresh out of college, by the looks of them - were wearing those capri pants. One was also wearing normal length pants, but with the tight ankle roll, like was common in the late 80s, only now they're paired with tight jeans.
 
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SJHovey said:
when did guys start wearing capri pants (sometimes with the leg bottoms rolled up, no less) to go out on the town?
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This is from 2013, so apparently by then it was already played out (on the theory that it takes 5 years for anything to be noticed by media).

My guess is 2008.
 
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unofan said:
The problem, for better or worse, is that colleges are generally covered by state and federal anti-discrimination laws, and if their policy is to not do anything until the judicial system takes action, they open themselves up to harassment lawsuits. Even if the justice system finds the alleged rapist not guilty, the civil standard of preponderance of the evidence is much lower than beyond a reasonable doubt. And unlike a business where they could just fire an accused employee in most cases, the alleged perp has more rights as a fellow student. So a school often has convoluted hearings about issues they aren't equipped to handle because they have deans and professorial committees making legal decisions.

Tl;dr: Schools, like businesses, have an independent legal duty to investigate harassment claims.
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I can see it from a business perspective, if they have an employee charged with a crime, to fire that person due to casting the company in a negative light. With regards to the school, if the alleged perpetrator continues at school without making further contact with the alleged victim, there doesn't seem to be much more the accused can do. If I had been accused of something I didn't do, and forced into some sex offenders' course, and especially if I'd had to pay for it, I might take action against the school myself. It seems to me that the school is inserting itself into a nasty situation, creating liabilities for itself.
 
Kepler said:
The RAPE CULTURE folks do have one thing right: if you joke about somebody else's tragedy, you're an a-hole. Rape victims and professional comedians get to make rape jokes; everybody else is DQed.
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Makes me think of a meta-comedy routine I saw ages ago, where the comedian (no idea who) was pointing this out. He went on about how as a professional comedian, he had carte blanche to make jokes about anything, no matter how awful, and to prove it, he said he was going to tell a rape joke, and not just any rape, but butt rape, and not just any butt rape, but butt rape of little kids:

Q: How is butt secks like broccoli?
A: If it's forced on you as a child, you'll never learn to like it.

Quite possibly the most tasteless joke of all time, but the whole audience, including me, laughed.
 
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LynahFan said:
Makes me think of a meta-comedy routine I saw ages ago, where the comedian (no idea who) was pointing this out. He went on about how as a professional comedian, he had carte blanche to make jokes about anything, no matter how awful, and to prove it, he said he was going to tell a rape joke, and not just any rape, but butt rape, and not just any butt rape, but butt rape of little kids:

Q: How is butt secks like broccoli?
A: If it's forced on you as a child, you'll never learn to like it.

Quite possibly the most tasteless joke of all time, but the whole audience, including me, laughed.
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Exactly. I do enjoy when comedians reassert that the whole point of that sort of comedy is it suspends the normal rules of conduct that you need to have in civilization. For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jjWKnjB1U8

But the dopes who rail about "political correctness" in everyday life are just unfunny *********s who blame their lack of funniness on the culture. It's not the PC Police, dude -- it's your own ineptitude. :p

The real horse laugh is at the expense of these Latter Day Gamergaters who think they're fighting a civil rights battle, when they're just being childish boors. There's a reason nobody likes them, that in fact it is highly probable that nobody has ever liked them, and it's not the world's problem, it's theirs.
 
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LynahFan said:
Makes me think of a meta-comedy routine I saw ages ago, where the comedian (no idea who) was pointing this out. He went on about how as a professional comedian, he had carte blanche to make jokes about anything, no matter how awful, and to prove it, he said he was going to tell a rape joke, and not just any rape, but butt rape, and not just any butt rape, but butt rape of little kids:

Q: How is butt secks like broccoli?
A: If it's forced on you as a child, you'll never learn to like it.

Quite possibly the most tasteless joke of all time, but the whole audience, including me, laughed.
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Except that, from what I'm hearing comedians say, they're avoiding college campuses now because unless you're telling lazy jokes about boobs, dicks and sex, and instead joking about things that matter, the audience won't simply not laugh, rather they start yelling at the comedian. They seem to think that campuses have turned into nasty, angry places and no longer havens for comedians the way they were some 10+ years ago.
 
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St. Clown said:
Except that, from what I'm hearing comedians say, they're avoiding college campuses now because unless you're telling lazy jokes about boobs, dicks and sex, and instead joking about things that matter, the audience won't simply not laugh, rather they start yelling at the comedian. They seem to think that campuses have turned into nasty, angry places and no longer havens for comedians the way they were some 10+ years ago.
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Saw a comic somewhere on video game reviewers that went like this:

1990s - Totally rad '90's guy saying "This game is AWESOME!"

2000s - Angry Video Game Nerd lookalike saying "This game SUCKS!"

2010s - Scrawny white kid saying "This game is SEXIST!"
 
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Kepler said:
Exactly. I do enjoy when comedians reassert that the whole point of that sort of comedy is it suspends the normal rules of conduct that you need to have in civilization. For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jjWKnjB1U8

But the dopes who rail about "political correctness" in everyday life are just unfunny *********s who blame their lack of funniness on the culture. It's not the PC Police, dude -- it's your own ineptitude. :p

The real horse laugh is at the expense of these Latter Day Gamergaters who think they're fighting a civil rights battle, when they're just being childish boors. There's a reason nobody likes them, that in fact it is highly probable that nobody has ever liked them, and it's not the world's problem, it's theirs.
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The best example from Louis I think goes something like this:

"Rape is the worst thing ever and you should never do it. Unless you have a good reason, like you want to %$@ a girl and she wont let you!"

Tasteless and awesome!
 
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LynahFan said:
Makes me think of a meta-comedy routine I saw ages ago, where the comedian (no idea who) was pointing this out. He went on about how as a professional comedian, he had carte blanche to make jokes about anything, no matter how awful, and to prove it, he said he was going to tell a rape joke, and not just any rape, but butt rape, and not just any butt rape, but butt rape of little kids:

Q: How is butt secks like broccoli?
A: If it's forced on you as a child, you'll never learn to like it.

Quite possibly the most tasteless joke of all time, but the whole audience, including me, laughed.
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That was Tosh O.

I found the joke hilarious.

Edit: David Cross has probably the worst (as in tasteless) bit I've ever heard, you can find it on youtube using "Catholic Priests." It's SOOOOOO wrong, and I laughed my arse off.
 
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