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Nice Planet X: I knew it, I'm surrounded by a-holes!

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Spartanforlife4 said:
Gay people really making strides. It's now more accepted to fake having an affair with them than it is to have a real one with a Tea Party member.

http://gawker.com/state-rep-planted-gay-sex-scandal-to-hide-affair-with-1722707632
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They can also spray paint slurs on their home, torch it, blame someone else, and have people actually believe it... ...for a time. http://freedomforce.com/5535/lesbian-arson-hoax-uncovered-in-tennessee/
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
They can also spray paint slurs on their home, torch it, blame someone else, and have people actually believe it... ...for a time. http://freedomforce.com/5535/lesbian-arson-hoax-uncovered-in-tennessee/
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Similar things have happened before and they'll likely happen again. Why bring that up in response to the link Spartyparty posted? I mean, other than both involving at least one homosexual person. If he were to have posted something about straight people doing controversial things, would you have posted something call out straight people for doing something stupid?
 
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St. Clown said:
Similar things have happened before and they'll likely happen again. Why bring that up in response to the link Spartyparty posted? I mean, other than both involving at least one homosexual person. If he were to have posted something about straight people doing controversial things, would you have posted something call out straight people for doing something stupid?
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Isn't that the essence of the other 9,220 posts from this series?

These people are trying to take advantage of hate crime legislation. Straight white Christian non-veteran couples can't do such a thing because they are not protected against hate crime legislation.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Isn't that the essence of the other 9,220 posts from this series?

These people are trying to take advantage of hate crime legislation. Straight white Christian non-veteran couples can't do such a thing because they are not protected against hate crime legislation.
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Straight white Christians aren't in a position of having to fight for acceptance in society as a whole either. Some of these people, despite recent court rulings, live in desparate situations and often do foolish things as a result. When the facts come out, she'll do her time in jail. It'll be a lesson hard learned and yet not honorably earned. Rubbing salt in her wounds won't do anybody any good.
 
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St. Clown said:
Straight white Christians aren't in a position of having to fight for acceptance in society as a whole either...
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For now. But many of them get labeled as homophobic bigoted racists when the espouse their views that are what they grew up with but are now not in vogue.
 
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joecct said:
For now. But many of them get labeled as homophobic bigoted racists when the espouse their views that are what they grew up with but are now not in vogue.
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I have a friend who is very much invested in her church. While we were an unlikely match, meeting through a pickup hockey group, we would hang out a good bit outside of hockey. She and I were talking about how some people were viewed as homophobic because of their views on life as Christians, and her reply to me was very simple, "It all comes down to loving thy neighbors, loving the sinners as we're told in the Bible, and trusting God to make His judgment when everyone gets to Heaven." She was friends with the woman who lived in the apartment next to her that happened to be a lesbian drug dealer, her discussing a happenchance meeting between them in the hall when the neighbor and the neighbor's girlfriend were having a row is when my friend spoke that line from so many years ago that I still so clearly remember her saying to me.

The problem isn't appearing bigoted because people choose to live by God's word as given in their Bible, it's because they choose to act in bigoted manners towards those people in some manner or another. Why do you care if they get married? Does it diminish your own marriage in any way? It seems to me, based upon what little of the Bible I've read, Jesus constantly made the case for more love in the world and not less of it. If homosexual love is such a bad thing and God ends up being real, then that's their problem to deal with when His judgment is rendered.
 
joecct said:
For now. But many of them get labeled as homophobic bigoted racists when the espouse their views that are what they grew up with but are now not in vogue.
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Just because you grew up a bigot doesn't mean you have to remain one.
 
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Slap Shot said:
Just because you grew up a bigot doesn't mean you have to remain one.
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Statistically, it kinda does. Although some people overcome lousy parental modeling, by far most people take the same firmware they had when they were 12 to the grave, not least because their friends probably got the same version. The good news is tolerance is a ratchet effect: once you figure out dear old dad was full of crap about hating blacks, Jews, gays, or Arabs there's no going back.

There are exceptions.
 
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joecct said:
For now. But many of them get labeled as homophobic bigoted racists when the espouse their views that are what they grew up with but are now not in vogue.
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You know what would help those poor oppressed White Christians, if they actually understood and followed the word of God. Only God has the right to judge, not any of you. Fact is that isnt what happens as Christians are some of the most judgemental people around. Dont like being called a bigot, then stop judging people based on something you might not agree with.

I dont believe in God, but if he exists then I answer to him, not you. And any God that hates his own children for expressing who they are is not a God worth worshiping.
 
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Handyman said:
You know what would help those poor oppressed White Christians, if they actually understood and followed the word of God. Only God has the right to judge, not any of you. Fact is that isnt what happens as Christians are some of the most judgemental people around. Dont like being called a bigot, then stop judging people based on something you might not agree with.

I dont believe in God, but if he exists then I answer to him, not you. And any God that hates his own children for expressing who they are is not a God worth worshiping.
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And the people who label others bigots are bigots themselves, according to the definition. ;)
 
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Kepler said:
Statistically, it kinda does. Although some people overcome lousy parental modeling, by far most people take the same firmware they had when they were 12 to the grave, not least because their friends probably got the same version. The good news is tolerance is a ratchet effect: once you figure out dear old dad was full of crap about hating blacks, Jews, gays, or Arabs there's no going back.

There are exceptions.
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I could probably count on 2 or 3 fingers the number of friends that were indoctrinated to any degree and many did not become their parents. I grew up in a very conservative household and to this day am probably the only one that watches FNC with a truckload of salt, although even my parents, brother and sister have softened over time. Education plays a large part in it, as does growing up urban vs. suburban vs. rural, catholic vs. not, etc. My friends and I cracked gay jokes and probably off color jokes too, but then you start meeting people outside your circle and realize they bleed red too. Despite growing up in a very conservative suburb I'm surprised by the number liberal views espoused via conversation and Facebook.

I'm well aware that a lot of children do become their parents in more ways than one, but I stand by the statement one need not remain a bigot and anyone can choose to grow up.
 
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Brenthoven said:
And the people who label others bigots are bigots themselves, according to the definition. ;)
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Being defined as a bigot requires intolerance. Is Handy or anyone else here trying to shut up, shut out or disenfranchise bigots?
 
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Slap Shot said:
Being defined as a bigot requires intolerance. Is Handy or anyone else here trying to shut up, shut out or disenfranchise bigots?
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I didn't mean to reference him personally. I know he's good people.

In general, the people who are shouting "BIGOT!" are bigots themselves, due to their lack of tolerance of others' beliefs.


As to your previous post, people can change, I agree. I was completely ignorant of the fact that I had a (dot) Indian, two brothas, an Israeli, an Irani, and a Korean in my classes growing up (as in straight up immigrants in most of those cases), because no one pointed out the differences (Catholic school, K-8). They were just my classmates. When I got older, and learned about racism/ethnicity, only THEN did I realize these facts. Racism/etc is indeed taught, and one can overcome that bullsh*.
 
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Slap Shot said:
I could probably count on 2 or 3 fingers the number of friends that were indoctrinated to any degree and many did not become their parents. I grew up in a very conservative household and to this day am probably the only one that watches FNC with a truckload of salt, although even my parents, brother and sister have softened over time. Education plays a large part in it, as does growing up urban vs. suburban vs. rural, catholic vs. not, etc. My friends and I cracked gay jokes and probably off color jokes too, but then you start meeting people outside your circle and realize they bleed red too. Despite growing up in a very conservative suburb I'm surprised by the number liberal views espoused via conversation and Facebook.

I'm well aware that a lot of children do become their parents in more ways than one, but I stand by the statement one need not remain a bigot and anyone can choose to grow up.
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Some of us definitely can grow up. If I didn't go of my own choosing, I would be an even grumpier version of Old Pio right now.
 
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Brenthoven said:
And the people who label others bigots are bigots themselves, according to the definition. ;)
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When have I ever said I wasnt a bigot towards the pious and self righteous? I own my flaws.
 
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