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Nice Planet 6: Get Me Off This Planet.

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St. Clown said:
Someone needs to give Rep. Halverson a lesson in logic.

http://www.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/247405381.html



So let me get this straight. Science isn't what proves whether or not something is safe for human use, it's government edict? That quote I set in bold explains a lot about her.
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I'm going to play devil's advocate here and hope that she didn't phrase that correctly. I don't believe there have been any official government studies on it, so therefore the consumer doesn't really know anything besides the companies' claims.

BUT, even hinting at her line of thought....that's just scary, because what else have they regulated/whatever and deemed "safe" and "not safe" (possibly thanks to lobbyists/etc)?
 
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Old Pio said:
E Cigs produce water vapor, right? Steam is water vapor, right? Let's outlaw tea kettles.
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There are other chemicals going on in there, but we don't exactly know what....yet. Or the effects. I look at e-cigs like I look at energy drinks. We see what's on the label....just don't know long-term effects.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
I must've missed the part of the article where she was told that she had to hook up to the city power grid (hint: she wasn't, her solar panels aren't an issue). And you must've missed the part where the city admitted that they cannot force her to actually use the water system.

It's pretty simple - use of the city sewer is part of the city water system bill, therefore she's mooching use of the public sewer service off her neighbors' water payments. Unless she can shoehorn a septic tank and tile field onto her property, it looks like she's bagging her raw sewage - until they tell her it's a public health hazard (which I'm sure you'll also be screaming bloody fascism about when that story is written).

Or, you know, she could always move to a part of the world that fits her ecological views better. I always thought that was a pillar of anarchist thought, in fact.
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I saw Florida and knew immediately I didn't need to click on it. There's a reason why one of the morning radio shows here has a daily game of "It Happened in Florida!"
 
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Brenthoven said:
There are other chemicals going on in there, but we don't exactly know what....yet. Or the effects. I look at e-cigs like I look at energy drinks. We see what's on the label....just don't know long-term effects.
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Using that logic, the time to get any product to market could be extended for years, maybe decades. Possibly forever, if sufficient funds weren't available to conduct studies that would pass muster with the nannies. Besides, there are undoubtedly more chemicals in Snickers bars than in e-cigs. The nannies are too gutless to advocate prohibition of cigarettes. So they've been nibbling around the edges now for years. And now they're after what appears to be a safe alternative. Certainly an improvement over real tobacco in terms of the health consequences (for everyone, including those mythical asthma babies). But since the nannies now seem to dominate the debate, we're hearing about "theoretical" risks and "possible" consequences. What they can't abide is free, adult Americans from deciding whether they want to stop smoking and switch to the electronic alternative. So they're demanding the same obstacles for e-cigs as exist for real cigarettes. What they don't have is an atom of scientific evidence to justify that. Just do it on spec, they say.

We saw a similar phenomenon with the 55 mile an hour speed limit. It was imposed as a consequence of the Arab oil embargo. A measure designed to get better gas mileage on the interstates. After the market disruption of the embargo ended, Congress set about restoring the original speed limits. But wouldn't you know it, some nannies pointed out that the double nickel was a safer speed--traffic deaths would be reduced if it were extended. And they advocated extending the reduced speed limit permanently. Without all that messy debate. Because dumb Americans might prefer to drive at the speeds the multi-trillion dollar interstate system was designed to accommodate. Much better to just shove the double nickel down their throats in perpetuity. They'll thank us later.

"A Puritan lies awake at night knowing somebody, somewhere is having a good time--and there's nothing he can do about it." Except today's Puritans have infected vast swathes of America with their condescending prattling. It's about control. They have it. And they don't want to give it up. They figure most Americans are too dumb to know "what's good for them," and they stand ready to provide guidance for the rest of us. And don't even ask us to thank them.

I guess I should be grateful, but I'm not.
 
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Based on what I've seen from co-workers who've tried to kick the habit using e-cigs, the price/quality of the e-cig varies wildly. One co-worker tried the cheap ones you can get from the gas station, and they gave him a wet cough/headache. Another one uses the fancy 'Blu' e-cig that costs something like $69.95 for the starter kit, and swears by it. I would not be so quick to say that a Snickers bar "undoubtedly" has more chemicals without the data to back it up.

Also, many people pick and choose which "sins" they are Puritanical about, while enthusiastically partaking in others.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Based on what I've seen from co-workers who've tried to kick the habit using e-cigs, the price/quality of the e-cig varies wildly. One co-worker tried the cheap ones you can get from the gas station, and they gave him a wet cough/headache. Another one uses the fancy 'Blu' e-cig that costs something like $69.95 for the starter kit, and swears by it. I would not be so quick to say that a Snickers bar "undoubtedly" has more chemicals without the data to back it up.

Also, many people pick and choose which "sins" they are Puritanical about, while enthusiastically partaking in others.
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So e-cigs should be "regulated" like cigarettes because you "suspect" (without any evidence) that they emit dangerous chemicals? Chemicals that are dangerous to innocent people inhaling them, especially "The Children." So while we accumulate the "data" that would satisfy your "suspicions" we ban (or stringently regulate) the product? Guilty until proven innocent? Seriously?
 
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Old Pio said:
So e-cigs should be "regulated" like cigarettes because you "suspect" (without any evidence) that they emit dangerous chemicals? Chemicals that are dangerous to innocent people inhaling them, especially "The Children." So while we accumulate the "data" that would satisfy your "suspicions" we ban (or stringently regulate) the product? Guilty until proven innocent? Seriously?
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Don't put words in my mouth. I merely offered an anecdotal observation, and never suggested banning anything. You're the one who offered up an opinion on the "undoubtedly" greater amount of chemicals in candy bars, without any hard evidence to back it up.

Besides, if they banned tobacco, I'd miss out on the four or five good cigars I enjoy each year.
 
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I bet the people who partook in the herbal fen-phen supplement wish that a bit more research had gone into it...
 
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The only reason e-cigs will be banned is because it hurts the tobacco companies, and the legislation will be suggested by said lobby. They may give the aforementioned reasons to get the public in on it, though.
 
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Old Pio said:
Don't forget thalidomide. The holy grail for nannies.
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Yeah, you're right, it should just all be a free-for-all. :rolleyes:

No rules! No standards! No controls!

Let the market decide. Clearly, companies whose products kill people won't stay in business for long.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Don't put words in my mouth. I merely offered an anecdotal observation, and never suggested banning anything. You're the one who offered up an opinion on the "undoubtedly" greater amount of chemicals in candy bars, without any hard evidence to back it up.

Besides, if they banned tobacco, I'd miss out on the four or five good cigars I enjoy each year.
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Read the label of just about any food product and you'll find listed all sorts of scary sounding chemicals. Years ago there was a new sugar substitute called cyclamates, which was a huge improvement over saccharine. However "studies" revealed it caused tumors in Canadian mice. And cyclamates was taken off the market. Come to find out the little critters were exposed to an amount equivalent to drinking multiple cases of diet soda every day. Hexachlorophene was similarly removed from the market, for similarly shaky reasons (yet is still used in ORs). And don't forget DDT. Millions of human lives have been lost as a result of our collective mania about that product. Rachel Carson wrote an unscientific but highly tendentious book and suddenly we all wanted to make the world safe for eagle eggs! Now days, the only legal way you can kill an eagle is with a wind farm.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
Yeah, you're right, it just all be a free-for-all. :rolleyes:

No rules! No standards! No controls!

Let the market decide. Clearly, companies whose products kill people won't stay in business for long.
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Oh, please. Spare us the undistilled libtardism about how wonderful "government" is and how it's there to "help us." Why don't you care about the suffering and death caused by needless, time consuming regulation? Or don't you think there is any?

As Grandma Pio used to say: "Even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then."

The FDA regulates food and drugs. E cigs are neither.
 
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Old Pio said:
Oh, please. Spare us the undistilled libtardism about how wonderful "government" is and how it's there to "help us." Why don't you care about the suffering and death caused by needless, time consuming regulation? Or don't you think there is any?
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Imagine if there weren't standards in place for catheter sterilization. What would you do then besides dread urination?


Are you honestly arguing for no regulation?

Better buzz the nurse as she must have missed your afternoon meds.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
Imagine if there weren't standards in place for catheter sterilization. What would you do then besides dread urination?


Are you honestly arguing for no regulation?

Better buzz the nurse as she must have missed your afternoon meds.
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Yeah, that's what I'm arguing all right. BTW, thanks for using that 3-ply tissue. Combined with your gentle touch, I've never had it so good. These days I'm definitely "enjoying the go."
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
The only reason e-cigs will be banned is because it hurts the tobacco companies, and the legislation will be suggested by said lobby. They may give the aforementioned reasons to get the public in on it, though.
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I read somewhere that almost all of the e-cig companies can trace their ownership back to a tobacco company, so, once again, your logic is completely flawed. At least you're used to it by now.
 
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