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Nice Planet 6: Get Me Off This Planet.

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Brenthoven said:
There is. My uncle. :)
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I know there's lots of good cops out there - your uncle included.

Here's my point of view - coming from 21 years on the job and coming from a family of cops. Last year was the first in a half century that one of us wasn't on the Toronto force - thank goodness :rolleyes:

When I joined in 1973 most of my fellow recruits were high school grads with a smattering of ex-military and some college degrees. What the vast majority of us had was varying degrees of street smarts.

Today, most PD's want well-educated college grads that (for the most part) don't have the common sense that comes with being street savvy.

Case in point was a recruit classmate who had a PhD. The guy had no clue how to deal with the public and was actually reluctant to get out of the patrol car with his training officer.
 
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SteveP said:
I know there's lots of good cops out there - your uncle included.

Here's my point of view - coming from 21 years on the job and coming from a family of cops. Last year was the first in a half century that one of us wasn't on the Toronto force - thank goodness :rolleyes:

When I joined in 1973 most of my fellow recruits were high school grads with a smattering of ex-military and some college degrees. What the vast majority of us had was varying degrees of street smarts.

Today, most PD's want well-educated college grads that (for the most part) don't have the common sense that comes with being street savvy.

Case in point was a recruit classmate who had a PhD. The guy had no clue how to deal with the public and was actually reluctant to get out of the patrol car with his training officer.
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It took a Masters to get a buddy of mine into the Chicago PD... He applied after getting his Bachelors and was told "No Thanks".... Another friend just got on a suburban Chicago police force after a 6-8 month application process followed by academy time...

Considering that they get 1000s of applications for a handful of openings, they are making their initial choices well before there is any human contact... They have to sort the applicants somehow.... How exactly can a department even begin to pick up on these things through an e-mailed resume/electronic application?

Not bashing or trying to argue... Just my thoughts from working and hanging out with several people who were trying to get their foot in the door in the law enforcement world...
 
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RaceBoarder said:
It took a Masters to get a buddy of mine into the Chicago PD... He applied after getting his Bachelors and was told "No Thanks".... Another friend just got on a suburban Chicago police force after a 6-8 month application process followed by academy time...

Considering that they get 1000s of applications for a handful of openings, they are making their initial choices well before there is any human contact... They have to sort the applicants somehow.... How exactly can a department even begin to pick up on these things through an e-mailed resume/electronic application?

Not bashing or trying to argue... Just my thoughts from working and hanging out with several people who were trying to get their foot in the door in the law enforcement world...
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It's tough to get the foot in the door today, no doubt about it. Back in my day we had a class of 80-100 recruits every three months to replace the guys who were retiring after joining after WWII. Basically, if you were upright and breathing you were hired :D
 
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Like a sad artifact of our national hysteria, Fran Keller is released after 20 years behind bars in Texas. She was railroaded for "ritual sexual abuse of children" at a day care center she ran. In the 90's, prosecutors, "therapists" and many in the media engaged in massive self-delusion about the "problem" of nests of Satanic pedophiles at day care centers all across the country. It started with McMartin. And "believe the children" became their mantra. We showed that in the late 20th century we hadn't advanced all that much beyond Salem. The media bear an enormous responsibility here for not informing a credulous public that these witch hunts were nonsense.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ritual-child-abuse-evidence-ruled-faulty.html

This ugly, sordid tale (and many others like it) should be cautionary. But probably won't be. And won't prevent the next moral panic.

http://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2009-03-27/759086/
 
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Old Pio said:
Like a sad artifact of our national hysteria, Fran Keller is released after 20 years behind bars in Texas. She was railroaded for "ritual sexual abuse of children" at a day care center she ran. In the 90's, prosecutors, "therapists" and many in the media engaged in massive self-delusion about the "problem" of nests of Satanic pedophiles at day care centers all across the country. It started with McMartin. And "believe the children" became their mantra. We showed that in the late 20th century we hadn't advanced all that much beyond Salem. The media bear an enormous responsibility here for not informing a credulous public that these witch hunts were nonsense.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ritual-child-abuse-evidence-ruled-faulty.html

This ugly, sordid tale (and many others like it) should be cautionary. But probably won't be. And won't prevent the next moral panic.

http://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2009-03-27/759086/
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Exhibit A on why I will not have or deal with children. Society is fanatical over them. All it takes is one he said/she said story, even one made completely out of whole cloth, and your reputation and status in society are in tatters without so much as a rebuttal. You have everything to lose and nothing to gain by dealing with children in today's society.
 
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Twitch Boy said:
Exhibit A on why I will not have or deal with children. Society is fanatical over them. All it takes is one he said/she said story, even one made completely out of whole cloth, and your reputation and status in society are in tatters without so much as a rebuttal. You have everything to lose and nothing to gain by dealing with children in today's society.
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Just a tiny amount of critical thinking would have deconstructed these day care horror stories. The idea that child abuse is going on at a business, day after day, with parents and kids coming and going and nobody notices is incredible.

One case that followed the well established pattern occurred in Edenton, NC. Theo Bikel's wife did a terrific two part documentary on Frontline. It featured an interview with a lady who did the cooking at "Little Rascals," and whose son was allegedly a victim. She looked right into the camera and said (paraphrasing): "I don't understand how this could have gone on for so long, I was there every day and didn't see anything." Exactly.
 
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"I'm shocked. . .shocked." The Lesbo ex-Marine waitress who made such a stink about customers whom she claimed had refused to tip because of her sexual orientation. . .was dishonorably discharged, and has a history of making sh*t up. Guess we'll have to cancel the parade.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/53683016#.Upetafvn-QG

It was the great character actor Martin Balsam (playing the private eye in Psycho) who observed: "If it doesn't jell it isn't aspic. And this ain't jellin'."
 
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Old Pio said:
MSNBC has sh*t canned Baldwin. Why not Bashir?
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It makes perfect sense to me. Baldwin used a gay slur, while Bahir went after Sarah Palin. MSNBC is after the liberal audience, the studio flat out states as much, so bashing Palin may have been seen as a boon to their numbers while using a gay slur would be seen as attacking part of their targeted audience.
 
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St. Clown said:
It makes perfect sense to me. Baldwin used a gay slur, while Bahir went after Sarah Palin. MSNBC is after the liberal audience, the studio flat out states as much, so bashing Palin may have been seen as a boon to their numbers while using a gay slur would be seen as attacking part of their targeted audience.
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Is this what we should expect from a "news" network? The only standard is what helps their ratings? What Bashir said about Palin went far beyond "bashing." Scatology isn't ever appropriate.
 
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Old Pio said:
Is this what we should expect from a "news" network? The only standard is what helps their ratings? What Bashir said about Palin went far beyond "bashing." Scatology isn't ever appropriate.
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What we should expect in terms of what's right and what we should expect in terms of what reality holds for us now are not one and the same. I don't much like Palin, but you're very right that Bashir should be ashamed of himself. It's unacceptable, but he's selling to his company's base. MSNBC won't touch him; he might have even gotten himself a bonus check.
 
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St. Clown said:
What we should expect in terms of what's right and what we should expect in terms of what reality holds for us now are not one and the same. I don't much like Palin, but you're very right that Bashir should be ashamed of himself. It's unacceptable, but he's selling to his company's base. MSNBC won't touch him; he might have even gotten himself a bonus check.
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I don't think either one of them should be fired. But Baldwin's "gaffe" didn't even come on MSNBC's air. If MSNBC thought their liberal gay "base" had their knickers in a twist, they should have set him down for a time, then made him grovel. Bashir, on the other hand, engaged in a planned, researched, scripted, telepromptered lewd smearing of another human being whose "crime" is to have a different view of the world..

Without regard to the personalities involved, Bashir's crime was far worse. Malice afore thought. And by not punishing him, MSNBC (and by extension NBC News) is condoning that behavior. I have no particular love for Palin, either but what has she ever done or said to justify calling her Down syndrome baby "retarded," suggest that her underage daughter should "hook up" with A-Rod or blame her (as was done here) for the mass shooting in Tucson because she used the word "target" to describe competitive congressional districts?

Many years ago, Joseph Welch made himself a liberal icon when he stood up to Joe McCarthy by saying: "Have you no decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?" MSNBC honchos should ask themselves that same question.
 
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Old Pio said:
"I'm shocked. . .shocked." The Lesbo ex-Marine waitress who made such a stink about customers whom she claimed had refused to tip because of her sexual orientation. . .was dishonorably discharged, and has a history of making sh*t up. Guess we'll have to cancel the parade.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/53683016#.Upetafvn-QG

It was the great character actor Martin Balsam (playing the private eye in Psycho) who observed: "If it doesn't jell it isn't aspic. And this ain't jellin'."
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Could this mean she will have to return all the money people sent her to make up for her lost tip and mean spirited(but falsely made up) scrawl on the receipt? Obviously the free publicity she got and the restaurant got cannot be returned. Isn't there some penalty she could be charged with for making up this affront(or do you have to file a police report to be charged with an offense)? I guess this will cancel out her book tour and her film rights?
 
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Old Pio said:
Million dollar anti-poverty grants for street gangs, judges taking bribes to fix murder trials, gang hit squads and convicted murderers seeking "certificates of innocence." This story from my home town has it all. Chicago takes perverse pride in this stuff.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-el-rukn-innocence-fight-20131201,0,691050.story
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No wonder the press indicated that the Commader in Chief and his family are thinking of staying in DC after his term expires to live. I am not sure-do we pay for that or is that apersonal expense? And does his mom in law get to live with them like she does in the WH?
 
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Old Pio said:
Like a sad artifact of our national hysteria, Fran Keller is released after 20 years behind bars in Texas. She was railroaded for "ritual sexual abuse of children" at a day care center she ran. In the 90's, prosecutors, "therapists" and many in the media engaged in massive self-delusion about the "problem" of nests of Satanic pedophiles at day care centers all across the country. It started with McMartin. And "believe the children" became their mantra. We showed that in the late 20th century we hadn't advanced all that much beyond Salem. The media bear an enormous responsibility here for not informing a credulous public that these witch hunts were nonsense.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ritual-child-abuse-evidence-ruled-faulty.html

This ugly, sordid tale (and many others like it) should be cautionary. But probably won't be. And won't prevent the next moral panic.

http://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2009-03-27/759086/
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The HBO movie about the McMartin case did a great job of showing how ridiculous things got in that case.
 
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