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You didn't even try to accurately summarize the relevant paragraph, did you? Another exercise in prescience. You're the GD Queen of Hearts, why don't you do something? Something other than sharing these unattributed, one sided, lefty articles.

I used their headline, pasted the first three graphs of the story and linked to it. What else were you looking for?

As for being an "unattributed, one-sided, lefty" article...If these charges were unfounded the department wouldn't be changing their policy. Does it even bother you that the default position for the police was that when any woman reported a rape it was "unfounded" and the cops hounded victims who did report it? That they refused to do as little as release a sketch of the accused (much less try to catch and question him) who then went on to (allegedly) rape three other victims. Does any of that bother you at all?
 
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I used their headline, pasted the first three graphs of the story and linked to it. What else were you looking for?

As for being an "unattributed, one-sided, lefty" article...If these charges were unfounded the department wouldn't be changing their policy. Does it even bother you that the default position for the police was that when any woman reported a rape it was "unfounded" and the cops hounded victims who did report it? That they refused to do as little as release a sketch of the accused (much less try to catch and question him) who then went on to (allegedly) rape three other victims. Does any of that bother you at all?


Ummm, Duke Lacrosse...
 
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I think we all agreed that most people think somewhere in the middle of the two extreme positions that you and I laid out.....



To me that would mean that there is nobody out there thinking "gee I sure hope there are a bunch of unwanted pregnancies this week so there will be lots of women having aboritions".



I would like to know as well... but it is interesting that both of the last two VP candidates that the Republican's offered us had this position...




Hmm... wasn't it really a Republican talk show host who turned her into a national figure by saying only a "slut" would want birth control (or something to that effect)?

As a result, this 30 year old co-ed, who could afford 64K tuition at Georgetown Law, but not the trifling amount for generic birth control pills, was elevated into the avatar of the "war on women." And she's still out there. Now referred to obsequiously as a women's health advocate (or some such shiza).

This comforting boiler plate about "nobody is pro abortion" is wearing a little thin, primarily because it's so illogical. Since abortion is generally legal, there would be no need for demonstrations in favor of abortion. However, how would you classify the people who show up outside of any state legislature considering any measure which would move the line on when abortions can be performed? Pro abortion?

IMHO, our culture has been coarsened and degraded, in part because of this issue. And pro abortion types have armed themselves with a quiver full of arrows that defend their position. But do nothing to help our society. They argue, correctly, that anti-abortion types don't offer much in the way of help for babies once they're born. I believe it was Don Lemon who said the other day (paraphrasing): "A black baby born out of wedlock has a one way ticket to prison." To me the answer is to try to reduce these unwanted pregnancies and for young men to hold off on starting families 'till they're married (this problem is acute among African Americans).

As the son of a surgeon, I have no use for social conservatives arguing against sex-ed because "it will make the kids think about having sex." Well, the boys (at least) are thinking about it all the time and watching Miss Plimsol put a condom on a banana isn't going to make them think about it any more. We live in a sex saturated society. I'm not arguing for a return to the '50's (even if it were possible) but we need to be able to send apparently conflicting messages: you should hold off on having sex, but if you can't, use a condom. I think we've developed attitudes which don't value life (and I'm not talking about fetuses) as much as we used to. We have tough moral questions to answer. In medicine, in far too many cases, we're not extending life, we're prolonging death. These are assuredly not easy questions to answer. The Terry Schiavo case raised these questions. And the only definitive conclusion we can draw from that cluster bleep is that we don't want politicians involved in these matters.

Candidly, I also find the terms "pro-abortion" and "anti-abortion" irritating to both sides, which is part of why I use them. Clearly they are accurate. Only in America could you have a knock down drag out culture war with both sides claiming to be "pro". The issue is abortion. Nothing else.
 
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Throwing it out there for discussion...

If abortion (yea or nay) had been a legislative decision, rather than a court opinion, would the vitriol be any less?
 
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I used their headline, pasted the first three graphs of the story and linked to it. What else were you looking for?

As for being an "unattributed, one-sided, lefty" article...If these charges were unfounded the department wouldn't be changing their policy. Does it even bother you that the default position for the police was that when any woman reported a rape it was "unfounded" and the cops hounded victims who did report it? That they refused to do as little as release a sketch of the accused (much less try to catch and question him) who then went on to (allegedly) rape three other victims. Does any of that bother you at all?

Not in the slightest. And in your typical fashion, you just make up "facts" which support your argument: "cops hounded victims who did report it." The unattributed, one sided newsatorial you posted (was it from Salon, you didn't say) talked about just one "victim" who claimed she was "hounded." And perhaps she was. You and the article suggest this change in policy was much wider than just Norfolk ("Virginia cops" as opposed to "cops in one Virginia city." The addition of an apostrophe "s" after "department" would clarify the matter nicely). I'm satisfied the headline writer intended to mislead. You conclude the change in policy was a direct result of the woman's experience, without providing any support or context for that conclusion. You further suggest "unfounded" and "liar" are the same. Which is obviously not true. And the article says the lady "submitted a written report." To whom? In my business, we try to get both sides of a story. Like, for instance, letting the Norfolk chief explain the change and how it came about. Failure to do so results in propaganda, not journalism. And propaganda, in the form of newsatorials, is what you customarily provide as "evidence" for your opinions.

Again, you want to skip merrily over the part where the cops look for evidence, and want them to take the lady's word for it. Perhaps there's a better term than "unfounded." But then we're only in the semantic weeds. Any alternative would likewise not meet with your approval, unless the cops started referring to guys accused in these events as "rapists." Like you do.
 
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Throwing it out there for discussion...

If abortion (yea or nay) had been a legislative decision, rather than a court opinion, would the vitriol be any less?

It's an interesting question. Before Roe v Wade, several states were on the verge of legalizing abortion. We can all guess which ones. And in those states where it was a close call, we could have expected vigorous public debate and annual battles in the legislature (a la the ERA). Both sides would want to influence the outcome. But since abortion would be legal in some places, I just don't see the intensity if the matter were left up to the states, which I would have preferred, as opposed to detecting "emanations from the penumbra."
 
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I would think that Saturday morning could be a pretty busy time for a place that serves breakfast...

I can see why he would have to close... Those people will harass anyone they can... All you have to do is be walking by and they are shoving photos of aborted fetuses in your face...
In general, it is. But this guy is located downtown in the business district and relies on the Monday - Friday crowd.
 
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Bradley Manning's lawyers claim "gender identity disorder" as one of their many excuses for his treachery and betrayal of America. And they introduce a photo of him in drag to prove their point. I'm not one for harshness for its own sake. I say, when they send him to Leavenworth for the rest of his worthless life, let him take his wig and makeup case with him. He's gonna need 'em.

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us...bradley-manning-testimony-gender-identity.cnn
 
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DoD sticks it to severely wounded vets. :mad:

In a disturbing revelation about the treatment of America's most severely wounded troops, Fox News has learned the military earlier this month decided to invalidate meal tickets and reduce hours for the sole dining facility in the Walter Reed building where they are recovering.

The decision affects the Warrior Cafe located inside building 62, home to all multiple amputees and long-term, recovering patients at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center in Bethesda, Md.
 
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Not in the slightest. And in your typical fashion, you just make up "facts" which support your argument: "cops hounded victims who did report it." The unattributed, one sided newsatorial you posted (was it from Salon, you didn't say) talked about just one "victim" who claimed she was "hounded." And perhaps she was. You and the article suggest this change in policy was much wider than just Norfolk ("Virginia cops" as opposed to "cops in one Virginia city." The addition of an apostrophe "s" after "department" would clarify the matter nicely). I'm satisfied the headline writer intended to mislead. You conclude the change in policy was a direct result of the woman's experience, without providing any support or context for that conclusion. You further suggest "unfounded" and "liar" are the same. Which is obviously not true. And the article says the lady "submitted a written report." To whom? In my business, we try to get both sides of a story. Like, for instance, letting the Norfolk chief explain the change and how it came about. Failure to do so results in propaganda, not journalism. And propaganda, in the form of newsatorials, is what you customarily provide as "evidence" for your opinions.

Again, you want to skip merrily over the part where the cops look for evidence, and want them to take the lady's word for it. Perhaps there's a better term than "unfounded." But then we're only in the semantic weeds. Any alternative would likewise not meet with your approval, unless the cops started referring to guys accused in these events as "rapists." Like you do.

"Innocent until proven guilty" would correlate nicely with the default selection on cases being set to "Unfounded", wouldn't it? Guilt has to be proven. It makes sense to me, and anyone else with any shred of common sense, i.e. not Clueless.
 
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"Innocent until proven guilty" would correlate nicely with the default selection on cases being set to "Unfounded", wouldn't it? Guilt has to be proven. It makes sense to me, and anyone else with any shred of common sense, i.e. not Clueless.

So when I go to the police to report a robbery they should just assume I'm lying and not follow it up? Sounds like a sweet job. Never have to investigate a crime since everyone is innocent.
 
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So when I go to the police to report a robbery they should just assume I'm lying and not follow it up? Sounds like a sweet job. Never have to investigate a crime since everyone is innocent.

This is your mind. This is your mind on hyper-feminism. Any questions?
 
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"Innocent until proven guilty" would correlate nicely with the default selection on cases being set to "Unfounded", wouldn't it? Guilt has to be proven. It makes sense to me, and anyone else with any shred of common sense, i.e. not Clueless.

What he really wants, I think, is summary executions for people accused of sexual assault and rape. Do not pass "Go" and forget about the 200 bucks. Just shoot 'em.
 
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What he really wants, I think, is summary executions for people accused of sexual assault and rape. Do not pass "Go" and forget about the 200 bucks. Just shoot 'em.

Yep, that's what I'm after. You always sum up my opinion so well.
 
It's an interesting question. Before Roe v Wade, several states were on the verge of legalizing abortion. We can all guess which ones. And in those states where it was a close call, we could have expected vigorous public debate and annual battles in the legislature (a la the ERA). Both sides would want to influence the outcome. But since abortion would be legal in some places, I just don't see the intensity if the matter were left up to the states, which I would have preferred, as opposed to detecting "emanations from the penumbra."

My question would be that if abortion were legal in, say half of US states, but not the other half, what's to prevent women from crossing borders to get abortions (aside from obvious economic reasons)? Would there be punishing laws in anti-abortion states about crossing state lines to get an abortion? Would such laws be legit?
 
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My question would be that if abortion were legal in, say half of US states, but not the other half, what's to prevent women from crossing borders to get abortions (aside from obvious economic reasons)? Would there be punishing laws in anti-abortion states about crossing state lines to get an abortion? Would such laws be legit?
A state cannot place duties or restrictions on its citizens' actions when they're in another state.
 
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