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Gurtholfin said:
Why does it matter which vets are being hurt by this?

The GOP's shut down is equally disgraceful and intentional.


If your heart bled for the military like you always claim, you'd be just as angry with them as you are "Neville."

The RAGE is strong in you. There's plenty to go around.


YOUR party's shut down. OWN IT.
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It matters because some of the "victims" have been selected, for the optics. To make political points. I find myself repeating things to you, since you're apparently impervious: I don't support the shutdown. It's bad politics and worse policy. It's no way to run a government. And weakens us in the eyes of our enemies.

Nobody should be suffering. I'll repeat it: nobody should be suffering. But Neville chose to push those old vets around (even after Honor Flight people went to the WH to remind the administration that the old boys were coming). He miscalculated. Just like Reid miscalculated ("why would we want to do that?") and had to eat crow on the floor of the senate. It's hardly surprising, in fact, that a "community organizer" from Chicago would behave this way (you "never want to waste a crisis"). But it's interesting that after nearly a dozen posts on this subject, you steadfastly refuse to admit Neville crossed the line. You just can't do it, can you? Sad really.
 
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burd said:
Ah yes. Now the rage is beginning to make sense.
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Your stereotypes come naturally, don't they? Why do you ladies assume "rage," just 'cause I call your bull sh*t what it is? That's not "rage" it's "speaking truth to power," which under different circumstances you say you admire. Got anything substantive to say? Or are you satisfied being an ankle biter?
 
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Old Pio said:
It matters because some of the "victims" have been selected, for the optics. To make political points. I find myself repeating things to you, since you're apparently impervious: I don't support the shutdown. It's bad politics and worse policy. It's no way to run a government. And weakens us in the eyes of our enemies. Nobody should be suffering. I'll repeat it: nobody should be suffering. But Neville chose to push those old vets around (even after Honor Flight people went to the WH to remind the administration that the old boys were coming). He miscalculated. Just like Reid miscalculated ("why would we want to do that?") and had to eat crow on the floor of the senate. It's hardly surprising, in fact, that a "community organizer" from Chicago would behave this way. But it's interesting that after nearly a dozen posts on this subject, you steadfastly refuse to admit Neville crossed the line. You just can't do it, can you? Sad really.
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Wrong again, but then it's just not your day.

I called it a disgrace. And wrong.


And if you knew all that you claim to, you'd know that I'm not much of a fan of "Neville." He's been ineffective (regardless of why) and failed to reach the potential that many saw in him. A disappointment.


But let's weigh how our veterans are being affected or could be by the GOP's intentional shut down of government...

First, let's list Barry Neville's disgraces:

WW2 vets blocked from memorials but they get in anyway in the end. Some even get to feel like young lions again by "storming" the barricades.

Anything else?


Okay, now for the GOP harming more recent vets who need benefits and services largely due to the wars that the GOP sent them to:

Death benefits delayed so grieving families have another thing to worry about.

Some veterans who have a hard time as it is finding employment are now furloughed. Once they leave the military do they become blood sucking public servants, just living off the teat of Lady Liberty? Maybe this isn't a negative?

Benefit checks may be delayed and even if they ultimately aren't, the vets are suffering anxiety over the issue to go along with the other issues that they may have brought home from the war.

Disability claims may be delayed (according to some, the increased delay is already being felt) so that wounded vets will have to wait longer to start receiving crucial assistance. What do you think they're living on while they wait?



Hard to weigh, but I'm gonna say that the GOP is hurting veterans at the moment by a smidge more than "Neville."


Your party's shut down. OWN IT!
 
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Gurtholfin said:
Wrong again, but then it's just not your day.

I called it a disgrace. And wrong.


And if you knew all that you claim to, you'd know that I'm not much of a fan of "Neville." He's been ineffective (regardless of why) and failed to reach the potential that many saw in him. A disappointment.


But let's weigh how our veterans are being affected or could be by the GOP's intentional shut down of government...

First, let's list Barry Neville's disgraces:

WW2 vets blocked from memorials but they get in anyway in the end. Some even get to feel like young lions again by "storming" the barricades.

Anything else?


Okay, now for the GOP harming more recent vets who need benefits and services largely due to the wars that the GOP sent them to:

Death benefits delayed so grieving families have another thing to worry about.

Some veterans who have a hard time as it is finding employment are now furloughed. Once they leave the military do they become blood sucking public servants, just living off the teat of Lady Liberty? Maybe this isn't a negative?

Benefit checks may be delayed and even if they ultimately aren't, the vets are suffering anxiety over the issue to go along with the other issues that they may have brought home from the war.

Disability claims may be delayed (according to some, the increased delay is already being felt) so that wounded vets will have to wait longer to start receiving crucial assistance. What do you think they're living on while they wait?



Hard to weigh, but I'm gonna say that the GOP is hurting veterans at the moment by a smidge more than "Neville."


Your party's shut down. OWN IT!
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So, at the end of the day, the ends do justify the means? If, as you suggest, you're not a charter member of Neville's fan club, why can't you just concede that his treatment of the old vets, among others, is disgraceful? Why? At long last you now claim you called Neville's treatment of the old vets a "disgrace." I must have missed it. I don't recall you coming within a time zone of criticizing him. You did find time to suggest I was a racist and lying about my concern for vets. But not to say one discouraging word about Neville.

Wars that "the GOP sent them to?" That is true of recent conflicts. But, Wilson, Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson and Clinton were Republicans? Who knew? And we still have a diminishing number of WWII vets around. You remember, the ones Neville pushed around and tried to intimidate.
 
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Old Pio said:
So, at the end of the day, the ends do justify the means? If, as you suggest, you're not a charter member of Neville's fan club, why can't you just concede that his treatment of the old vets, among others, is disgraceful? Why?
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I. Already. Did.
 
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Old Pio said:
Once is enough. Little Sir Echo once said (many times): "You OWN this."
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Reading comprehension not a strength?


I have a disabled individual in my immediate family. When he requires things like water therapy, a new wheel chair, a motorized wheel chair, physical therapy, a ramp for the house, a medical/hospital bed, etc, etc, etc. those things don't just magically appear at the door.

They go through an application process which must go through channels and get approved. Until they are approved and then ordered and delivered, he goes without.

Any delay in the approval process is a major pain and makes an already difficult situation worse. Have I made myself clear?

Is it a good thing that veterans may have to wait longer to get the care, services and benes that we owe them?


Now again, show me where I said that the VA was closing.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
Reading comprehension not a strength?


I have a disabled individual in my immediate family. When he requires things like water therapy, a new wheel chair, a motorized wheel chair, physical therapy, a ramp for the house, a medical/hospital bed, etc, etc, etc. those things don't just magically appear at the door.

They go through an application process which must go through channels and get approved. Until they are approved and then ordered and delivered, he goes without.

Any delay in the approval process is a major pain and makes an already difficult situation worse. Have I made myself clear?

Is it a good thing that veterans may have to wait longer to get the care, services and benes that we owe them?


Now again, show me where I said that the VA was closing.
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You said what you said. At a minimum, you were unclear, talking about "delayed care." At a maximum you're just trying to cover your a*s. Is this family member you referred to a vet? Under any circumstances, I empathize. Let me say it again: no vet should ever have anything he or she has coming from the VA delayed or curtailed because of political brinksmanship. Ever. But Neville is still wrong here, and you know it. And you're now trying to back away from your Kamikaze-like defense of his behavior. Because, at the end of the day, you think he's "winning." And you think those ends justify those means.
 
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If you knew anything about disabilities, you'd know that the term "care" is a pretty wide umbrella that covers a myriad of things.


My wife used to run the waiver here in Wisconsin for people (non-veterans) who would apply for assistance for things like home mods and accessible vans and anything else you can imagine. All of these things take time and you must go through the channels to get them - or not get them if you're denied.
 
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Old Pio said:
You said what you said. At a minimum, you were unclear. At a maximum you're just trying to cover your a*s. Is this family member you referred to a vet? Let me say it again: no vet should ever have anything he or she has coming from the VA delayed or curtailed because of political brinksmanship. Ever. But Neville is still wrong here, and you know it. And you're now trying to back away from your Kamikaze-like defense of his behavior. Because, at the end of the day, you think he's "winning." And that's a good thing.
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Show me where I said that the VA is closing.

You're full of it and unable to criticize your own party yet you accuse everyone on the other side of the same thing.


The GOP is making things harder on military families all in the name of brinksmanship yet you're worried about a relatively small number of vets at a monument.


Hypocrite.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
Show me where I said that the VA is closing.

You're full of it and unable to criticize your own party yet you accuse everyone on the other side of the same thing.


The GOP is making things harder on military families all in the name of brinksmanship yet you're worried about a relatively small number of vets at a monument.


Hypocrite.
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You said what you said. And I've quoted it. I doubt anyone gives a sh*t at this point. But if they want to, the can go back and read what you said and implied. I've said I don't support the shutdown and that it's both bad politics and bad policy. Do I have to make a donation to "what difference does it make's" PAC? It's all a one way street, isn't it? Neville is running that "transparent" administration (by using the IRS to screw his enemies, and lying about the murders of four Americans in Libya) and has nothing to do with this.

While I disagree with the tactics of the Republicans in the House, you and the rest of the ladies seem to want to redefine "opposition" to "goes along with everything the president wants, without question." And you want to air brush previous shutdowns engineered by Tip O'Neill from history. Or, failing that, to justify them.

And, since I disagree with you and the "community organizer," I'm a hypocrite, probably racist and a liar about my concerns for vets. By extension, one presumes, you are none of these things. Libtard arrogance and condescension know no bounds.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
If you knew anything about disabilities, you'd know that the term "care" is a pretty wide umbrella that covers a myriad of things.


My wife used to run the waiver here in Wisconsin for people (non-veterans) who would apply for assistance for things like home mods and accessible vans and anything else you can imagine. All of these things take time and you must go through the channels to get them - or not get them if you're denied.
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Your personal experience and you're wife's former job are interesting and doubtless help to inform your attitudes, but are only marginally analogous to the VA. Jumping through hoops, sadly, is something we all have to do, every time we have contact with any level of government.
 
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The death of a black Georgia teenager is following a familiar pattern: cops rule Kendrick Johnson died in an unusual accident. Family doesn't believe it. Lawyer for Trayvon's family attaches himself like a barnacle to the case (the smell of money and publicity can be overwhelming). The usual questions obtain: why would the cops "cover up" a murder. And who did it? Why? And why is there no evidence of murder? Surely anyone who would kill a 17-year old high school kid should be brought to justice and punished harshly.

Just because the vistim is black and the death occurred in the South doesn't mean there's anything going on here. Presumably the cops investigate other murders of black people in that jurisdiction without "covering" anything up. I recall the case of Raynard Johnson, a black teenager who was found hanging in his front yard in Kokomo, Mississippi. A certain "civil rights" con man from Chicago injected himself in the case, pronouncing it "lynching." Ultimately, federal state and local authorities, including Janet Reno's Justice Department ruled that it was suicide.

As I say, if this young man was murdered, we need to solve the case. But the doubts of grieving family members and the money making instincts of scumbag lawyers aren't evidence.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/10/justice/georgia-gym-mat-death/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
 
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Old Pio said:
I was unaware of the huge amount of money involved here. Stunning.
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Essentially, if you wanted to do business with the Kwamster's Detroit, you paid just to get a meeting on the calendar with him or Bobby Ferguson, paid again when you met with them, etc.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Essentially, if you wanted to do business with the Kwamster's Detroit, you paid just to get a meeting on the calendar with him or Bobby Ferguson, paid again when you met with them, etc.
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You know the Chicago media (especially the Tribune) were always trying to find personal corruption in Mayor Daley's life. They never found any. He lived in a modest brick bungalow in the "back of the yards." You'd never know it was the mayor's house except for the limo and the very large cops. He had a little summer place in Michisconsin and that was it. Chicago made up for it with the election of Harold Washington, who failed to file federal taxes for five straight years, despite the fact that his birthday was on April 15th!

But this guy is in a corruption class of his own. He's in Edwin Edwards territory.
 
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