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Here's an honest question for you, OP. Over the course of your career, were you ever told by more liberal station chiefs or editors to distort your stories (or else)? Or was your era different? Is the perceived 'MSM' bias a product of the cable news outlet era that began with CNN, and progressed to two networks that seriously do have slanted opinion journalism (liberals have MSNBC, conservatives have FOX)?

Nowadays, it seems we're at the point where anyone with an Internet connection and a modest advertising budget is able to setup an op-ed site with comments and forums for folks that espouse the same opinions to circle-jerk each other. Conservatives have Drudge Report, Freerepublic, and Politico, liberals have Daily Kos, HuffPo, and Raw Story. People can choose the 'news' they want to believe, and it makes the 'MSM' network outlets seem increasingly irrelevant, much to the detriment of the actual facts.
How many major metro daily newspapers are right of center?

How many of the major networks are right of center in their news shows?

The "beautiful people" are left or right of center?
 
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Here's an honest question for you, OP. Over the course of your career, were you ever told by more liberal station chiefs or editors to distort your stories (or else)? Or was your era different? Is the perceived 'MSM' bias a product of the cable news outlet era that began with CNN, and progressed to two networks that seriously do have slanted opinion journalism (liberals have MSNBC, conservatives have FOX)?

Nowadays, it seems we're at the point where anyone with an Internet connection and a modest advertising budget is able to setup an op-ed site with comments and forums for folks that espouse the same opinions to circle-jerk each other. Conservatives have Drudge Report, Freerepublic, and Politico, liberals have Daily Kos, HuffPo, and Raw Story. People can choose the 'news' they want to believe, and it makes the 'MSM' network outlets seem increasingly irrelevant, much to the detriment of the actual facts.

Never. I never even had a discussion with any of them on the subject of content or perspective. I worked very hard to avoid any hint of bias. Let me give you an example. When Ben Nelson was finishing his second term as Governor in Neb. he made his first run for the senate. Magically, during that campaign, Ben (whom I know and like) became much more available to us. If we had a question about the daily special at Sapp Brothers truck stop, Ben would give us some sound. Under those circumstances, I made sure our news department wasn't suddenly up to the gunnels with "Governor Ben Nelson" stories, that were of zero newsworthiness. Similarly, I made sure our people referred to him as "Ben Nelson" in stories having to do with his senate campaign against Chuck Hagel. In stories about that campaign, he wasn't the governor, he was the Democratic candidate for the senate.

On another occasion (not having to do with Nelson/Hagel) I left a reporter with written instructions on how I wanted a story covered. The instructions were: we either have sound from both sides or sound from neither. The next morning, he left a report with sound from only one side. I fired him (he was already on shaky ground, that's why I had to leave him written instructions). This same reporter, covered a story about a Republican gubernatorial candidate's tax plan, by getting sound from Ben Nelson! Journalism 101 would require sound from the guy whose plan we're reporting on and not the guy from the other party. The only justification for Nelson sound would be if you had sound from the guy who issued the plan, his opponent in the primary and Nelson. All we had, however, was Nelson sound. Unfreaking acceptable. And unfreaking professional.

Generally speaking, local newsrooms try to balance coverage. However, the trick bag we can get into is playing favorites with our sources. If a guy is available and generally has something to say, we tend to want to go back to him. Reporters are on deadline. They usually have more than one story to cover. And the guy who's always available is gold. The problem is over reliance on one source can be a kind of bias (depending on the stories and what he says). You need as many reliable sources as possible. At a minimum so it doesn't sound like the newsroom is some clown's PR department. It's always good to have lawyers, doctors, engineers and other professionals available to be your station "expert." In Omaha, I also had a very good relationship with the police chief--had his cell and home numbers. We didn't cut them any slack. But we always had a response from the top. Police departments these days, tell their cops not to talk to the media, under pain of death.

Mainstream media bias (particularly in TV) goes back as far as I can remember. After Nixon lost in '62, ABC ran a program called "The Political Obituary of Richard Nixon," (just a tiny bit premature as it turned out) which featured an interview with communist spy Alger Hiss. During the '64 campaign, CBS news' Daniel Schorr did a report from Germany talking about Barry Goldwater visiting "Hitler's old stomping ground, Bertschesgaden." During the siege at Khe Sanh, all of the MSM were full of reports comparing that engagement with Dien Bien Phu, which of course is where the French got their butts kicked and pulled out of Indochina. The one difference? B-52s. Khe Sanh never fell. And the NVA suffered an enormous defeat. Several divisions wiped off the map. But you wouldn't know it based on MSM reporting. And there were no national media outlets back then to balance that tripe.

Although I only watch them for "wall to wall" coverage, the cable networks do a service by getting stories out there. So to bloggers and the new media. There are more viewpoints for us to consider. Some are off the wall. Some are not. But the days when the vast majority of Americans get their news in one half hour broadcast at the same time each night from only three sources (all of whom get their coverage plans from the front page of the NYtimes) are gone. And we are better for it IMO.

The mistake you're making here, I believe, is the notion that an expanded media world necessarily means a "detriment to the actual facts." The 3 networks, the Times and WaPo, just to name the worst offenders, haven't got exactly what you'd call a sterling record when it comes to reporting the "facts." To them, some "facts" are more important than others. Network television newscasts are irrelevant. And newspapers, too, for the most part. Having more sources of "news" puts the burden on individual citizens to be better consumers. The burden on individual outlets is the same it has always been: do your very best to get the right stories right. And if you can get them first, so much the better.

One thing local media try to do is "localize" a story. Case in point: Newsweek (remember them?) did an article about gangs in the military. We thought we'd check with Offutt AFB to get their perspective. What started out as a one time story with one source, blossomed into a week long series with multiple sources that won an award from AP.

In local news there are "A" stories (crash at the local airport, death of the governor, fire that kills kids at an orphanage, etc) that are always going to be covered and always in depth. It's the "B" stories that can make the difference. The phrase is "enterprise." If you can enterprise an angle or a source or a perspective (like we did with gangs in the military), and if you're the only one who's got it, you're golden.
 
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How many major metro daily newspapers are right of center?

How many of the major networks are right of center in their news shows?

The "beautiful people" are left or right of center?

As a general rule, local media are more conservative than national media. None of the 3 networks is, by any stretch of the imagination, "right of center" in its news coverage. Polling of reporters for the MSM consistently shows they lean left and vote Democratic. PBS? NPR? Don't ask.

The "beautiful people" lean left. Who cares?
 
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Oklahoma Supreme Court joins SCOTUS in ruling injun "father" has to return his daughter to the white couple that adopted her at birth. Time to give her up, kemosabe.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/23/us/native-american-custody-dispute/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Without reading the decisions, it's impossible to know what precisely the issues were, but I suspect the Supremes took the case to clarify whether the Indian Child Welfare Act applies when the NA father has no legal custody or placement rights at the time of adoption. A high percentage of challenges to adoptions under the Indian Child Welfare Act come from the tribe itself rather than a member parent.
 
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Without reading the decisions, it's impossible to know what precisely the issues were, but I suspect the Supremes took the case to clarify whether the Indian Child Welfare Act applies when the NA father has no legal custody or placement rights at the time of adoption. A high percentage of challenges to adoptions under the Indian Child Welfare Act come from the tribe itself rather than a member parent.

Tonto was oh for three in front of supreme courts. Yes, you would imagine the Oklahoma Supreme Court would be more sympathetic to the Indian point of view (assuming there is one). But this case had zero to do with "breaking up an Indian family." The only family involved here were the parents who adopted that little girl.
 
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When you need media coverage of a Congre$$ional hearing, call the "BP's" to testify.

I don't object to them being left. It's a free country. I do object to them sharing their frequently ignorant opinions with the rest of us. You want to plug your latest movie? Knock yourself out. But keep your opinions on other matters to yourself. When I was in the AF I interviewed James Taylor in Tokyo. He was a big liberal, working for McGovern, but he politely declined to get in to that with me, instead wanting to talk about his music and his concerts in Japan. He may have been influenced by the fact that I worked for GI radio, still, he didn't want to talk about it. Classy, I thought.

Years ago "60 Minutes" did an extensive, two segment report on the alleged carcinogenic properties of the bug spray Alar (turned out to be hysterical tree hugger bull sh*t). And who did they trot out as an expert? Noted biochemist and oncologist Meryl Steep! Nobody anywhere with some appropriate academic credentials to discuss this matter? Only an emptied headed actress, who'd read an article or something?
 
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I don't object to them being left. It's a free country. I do object to them sharing their frequently ignorant opinions with the rest of us. You want to plug your latest movie? Knock yourself out. But keep your opinions on other matters to yourself. When I was in the AF I interviewed James Taylor in Tokyo. He was a big liberal, working for McGovern, but he politely declined to get in to that with me, instead wanting to talk about his music and his concerts in Japan. He may have been influenced by the fact that I worked for GI radio, still, he didn't want to talk about it. Classy, I thought.

Interesting.
 
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How many major metro daily newspapers are right of center?

I may be wrong, but I've always been under the impression that most major metro areas typically have two papers - one that has a liberal bent/op-ed section and one that a more conservative bent/op-ed section?

For Example:

WaPo vs. WaTimes
Det Free Press vs. DetNews
NYTimes vs. WSJ

etc.
 
I may be wrong, but I've always been under the impression that most major metro areas typically have two papers - one that has a liberal bent/op-ed section and one that a more conservative bent/op-ed section?

For Example:

WaPo vs. WaTimes
Det Free Press vs. DetNews
NYTimes vs. WSJ

etc.

Circulation #'s?
 
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I don't object to them being left. It's a free country. I do object to them sharing their frequently ignorant opinions with the rest of us. You want to plug your latest movie? Knock yourself out. But keep your opinions on other matters to yourself.

I have to say that I respect Taylor for that (even if he's publicly taken sides since), though my thinking on your average celeb (no matter how marginal) is thus - these days, some hack TV tabloid organization like TMZ or Extra shoves a mic in your face and trolls for your opinion on current events. So you feel as if you've been put on the spot, or else everyone suspects you don't care, or you're a dreaded, indecisive, slightly right-leaning moderate (me, if I were 'famous'), or worst of all to them, a full-blown fiscal and social conservative. Granted, there is also social media (especially Twitter) to expose the spontaneous/drunken derp on both sides.
 
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I have to say that I respect Taylor for that (even if he's publicly taken sides since), though my thinking on your average celeb (no matter how marginal) is thus - these days, some hack TV tabloid organization like TMZ or Extra shoves a mic in your face and trolls for your opinion on current events. So you feel as if you've been put on the spot, or else everyone suspects you don't care, or you're a dreaded, indecisive, slightly right-leaning moderate (me, if I were 'famous'), or worst of all to them, a full-blown fiscal and social conservative. Granted, there is also social media (especially Twitter) to expose the spontaneous/drunken derp on both sides.

You're giving people who don't deserve it the benefit of the doubt. Most of these celebrities (pipsqueak and hyper pipsqueak) think their opinions really matter. That their understanding of problems is part of why they're rich and famous. Thus we have the noted metallurgist Rosie O'Donnell's various excretions about what "really" happened at the World Trade Center. Just to name one hyper-pipsqueak.
 
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I may be wrong, but I've always been under the impression that most major metro areas typically have two papers - one that has a liberal bent/op-ed section and one that a more conservative bent/op-ed section?

For Example:

WaPo vs. WaTimes
Det Free Press vs. DetNews
NYTimes vs. WSJ

etc.

Well, that's true up to a point. But you seem to be under the impression that newspapers still have a significant amount of clout (to use a Chicago word) in public opinion. They don't. In every election cycle, newspapers make a BFD about endorsements from other newspapers. As if anyone is surprised or persuaded when the Times or WaPo endorses a Democrat. The days when newspaper endorsements matter are long gone. They're living in the past. And for the purposes of my "local more conservative, national more liberal" construct WaPo and NYT are not local, they're national (just the other day I offered a windy post about how the Titanic disaster put the Times in first place among NY papers). Just like USA Today and the WSJ. And "local" incudes Radio, TV and other local publications.

AP plays a role here, too. After the atrocities in Kenya, I saw various headlines which referred to those animals as "militants." Which raises the valid question: what the fark do you have to do to be classified a terrorist?

From a journalistic point of view, I was fortunate to grow up in Chicago. The intensity of the competition between the papers was captured best in "The Front Page." Chicago was the last city with two morning and two afternoon papers. For many years, the Tribune's slogan was: "The Tribune. . .a step ahead of the times." Both the Trib and the Sun Times advertised on TV. It must have irked the Times to spend money on WGN which is owned by the Tribune (WGN stands for "World's Greatest Newspaper") but they did.
 
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For years, Disney World has tried to accomodate disabled children by moving them to the front of the line. No longer. So many healthy people have been faking disability, Disney has been forced to change their policy because abuse of their good-hearted impulse has become so rampant.

this week the Walt Disney Co. announced a significant change to procedures at Walt Disney World in Florida and Disneyland in California. No longer will families with disabled children or parents be allowed to go to the front of long lines.

One of the reasons for the change, a Disney spokeswoman told the Orange County Register, was to curtail "abuse of this system" by healthy families pretending that some of its members are ill or disabled.

In May, the New York Post reported that wealthy parents were hiring disabled "tour guides" to blend in with their families and enable them to go to the front of lines. As coldly cynical as this sounded, as snickeringly selfish, there was more: Websites serving families with disabled children featured message boards with infuriating tales of healthy people renting wheelchairs to avoid waiting in Disney theme-park lines.

Thus, Disney is initiating a new policy to take effect early next month. Families with disabled children or parents may apply for a variation of a current Disney program that instructs visitors to report to a ride during a specified window of time. But the front-of-the-line privileges extended to chronically ill or disabled boys and girls are over.
 
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For years, Disney World has tried to accomodate disabled children by moving them to the front of the line. No longer. So many healthy people have been faking disability, Disney has been forced to change their policy because abuse of their good-hearted impulse has become so rampant.

That's just disgusting.
 
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Brian Holloway has authorized charges in the house-trashing incident.
Holloway wrote on his website to the parents of the "300," that "we must teach our kids to be accountable." Holloway then invited the "300" to help him clean the place for a picnic he was hosting for military personnel and only one teenager showed up.

There are reports that some of the parents are threatening to sue Holloway for posting pictures of their children on the internet. Holloway responded on his website that if the parents do that, they should be prepared for a media firestorm.

"If you would like to pursue a LAW SUIT; that's entirely up to you," Holloway wrote. "Here's a heads you may want to consider; that will TRIGGER the biggest FIRESTORM of media that will invade every area of your life." (sic)

Yvonne Keefe, spokeswoman for the Rensselaer County Sheriff's Office, confirmed that a "very large investigation" into the party was underway. Police believe 200 to 400 young people were at the party.
 
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Brian Holloway has authorized charges in the house-trashing incident.

Hell, the kids themselves put the pictures up on the internet. All he did was just collect em and put them all in one spot. Those little Angels are the one's who went over and trashed the man's house. He wanted to take care of it without it going through the courts. Going over and spending a few hours cleaning up would be a little less of a permanent record than having to involve the courts to get them punished.
 
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**** those kids and their "parents."

If my kid was involved, you can bet your *** that he'd have been over there helping to clean up.


****ing with someone's house is low.

Charge them.
 
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Well, that's true up to a point. But you seem to be under the impression that newspapers still have a significant amount of clout (to use a Chicago word) in public opinion. They don't. In every election cycle, newspapers make a BFD about endorsements from other newspapers. As if anyone is surprised or persuaded when the Times or WaPo endorses a Democrat. The days when newspaper endorsements matter are long gone. They're living in the past. And for the purposes of my "local more conservative, national more liberal" construct WaPo and NYT are not local, they're national (just the other day I offered a windy post about how the Titanic disaster put the Times in first place among NY papers). Just like USA Today and the WSJ. And "local" incudes Radio, TV and other local publications.

AP plays a role here, too. After the atrocities in Kenya, I saw various headlines which referred to those animals as "militants." Which raises the valid question: what the fark do you have to do to be classified a terrorist?

From a journalistic point of view, I was fortunate to grow up in Chicago. The intensity of the competition between the papers was captured best in "The Front Page." Chicago was the last city with two morning and two afternoon papers. For many years, the Tribune's slogan was: "The Tribune. . .a step ahead of the times." Both the Trib and the Sun Times advertised on TV. It must have irked the Times to spend money on WGN which is owned by the Tribune (WGN stands for "World's Greatest Newspaper") but they did.

Pio, I am interested in your thoughts about W Cronkite and his editorial in 1968 suggesting that the war was not winnable militarily. He had rock star status at the time, and his comments seem to have had a effect on the public's view of the war and possibly on high ranking politicians' choices. As a former journalist, do you have an opinion on the propriety of his editorial?
 
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