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Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!

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Re: Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!

Priceless said:
As usual, the comments section rules.




As to your question, there is no indication either way. The PD are waiting for the coroner's report before going forward. From a legal standpoint, it appears the teens have already plead guilty to felonious assault so I assume trying them for murder would be double jeopardy. Why did the prosecution go for a plea deal before s/he knew what was going to happen to the victim?
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There may be no indication, but if it's white-on-black, why is that the first thing comes into the mind of the prosecution?
 
Twitch Boy said:
Things are starting to get all 99 percent-y in Los Angeles. LAPD on full tactical alert.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...215618071.html?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_LABrand
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Always amazing to see how shooty stabby rapey rioty 99% of the country.

I know this isn't an occupy group, but I really couldn't resist.

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I always love how the responses tend to rarely be "pressure those who caused the structural problems", but rather "lets rob steal and taunt those who are sinning by not going along"... Like somehow its a Korean grocer's fault for the acts of four white police officers... Like every people's cause they assume that anybody that has must be stealing from the righteous, i.e. them.

Listen to all these groups and how much they want justice to the point where everything done is assumed to be on the side of the angels. This runs counter to the modern enlightened age but we let it go because they are a shade darker than Norwegian.

Likewise, since enlightenedness (falsely) tells us all sides are (always and counter evidence) initially equal in argument (and we always start over to be "nice") we let people get away with attitudes that are just plain anti-society. It gets to the point where we accept reasoning from minorities and others outside the predominant culture to do and believe things we would never accept inside our own culture. White man's burden in extreme I guess.

Maybe I haven't wanted to loot a Walmart because I haven't been taught that all the power and glory originates through material wealth.

Riot against non participants has never an enlightened state. It's usually been done, not by the people at large but rather those who are angry that they themselves are not in power, whether they be poor black or a aged (not grown up) trust fund baby. Excuse it all you want, but those and those who support it desire control and power, not freedom
 
Re: Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!

Priceless said:
As usual, the comments section rules.




As to your question, there is no indication either way. The PD are waiting for the coroner's report before going forward. From a legal standpoint, it appears the teens have already plead guilty to felonious assault so I assume trying them for murder would be double jeopardy. Why did the prosecution go for a plea deal before s/he knew what was going to happen to the victim?
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I don't know the law well, but I don't think it is double jeopardy to try someone for a more severe charge, if the situation changes as this one has. Maybe it is different from state to state. A lawyer would have to clarify that.


In other news, apparently a bunch of idiots were protesting in Minneapolis yesterday not only for the Martin/Zimmerman stupidity, which is dumb enough, but for some other thug as well. Apparently this guy broke into a house, was in the process of robbing it, got into a fight with the police after they arrived, fired shots, fled in a car then on foot, and was eventually shot by police. And people are protesting this? Seriously? This thug was a dangerous criminal, and its a good thing he's off the streets.
 
Re: Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!

FlagDUDE08 said:
There may be no indication, but if it's white-on-black, why is that the first thing comes into the mind of the prosecution?
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Because most prosecutors have studied American history?
 
Re: Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!

FlagDUDE08 said:
So blacks never attack whites for being white? Black Panthers don't exist? Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the true definition of a racist.
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Once again, you've summed up exactly what I said.
 
Re: Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!

Priceless said:
Once again, you've summed up exactly what I said.
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One direction is OK, but another is not? And for some vindictive reason? Even if it isn't for vindication, that still makes you a racist. Replacing racism with racism is still racism. Maybe it's just me, but I see everyone as people.
 
Re: Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!

The person with the best perspective perhaps is Martin Luther King Jr, from a 1961 address:

"Do you know that Negroes are 10 percent of the population of St. Louis and are responsible for 58% of its crimes? We've got to face that. And we've got to do something about our moral standards. We know that there are many things wrong in the white world, but there are many things wrong in the black world, too. We can't keep on blaming the white man. There are things we must do for ourselves."
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Sadly, not much has changed in the past 62 years. :(
 
Re: Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!

FlagDUDE08 said:
One direction is OK, but another is not? And for some vindictive reason? Even if it isn't for vindication, that still makes you a racist. Replacing racism with racism is still racism. Maybe it's just me, but I see everyone as people.
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You're hilarious.
 
Re: Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!

FlagDUDE08 said:
One direction is OK, but another is not?
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Easy there, tiger. Whatever you think you can say about the Black Panthers, it's not equivalent in any way shape or form to what happened in this country for 400 years.

FlagDUDE08 said:
Replacing racism with racism is still racism.
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Agreed. But how is that relevant to the issue of race-oriented crimes with black victims? (This next part isn't necessarily directed at you) There's a knee-jerk reaction among a sect of white people* wherein people react to racially charged injustice with black victims by immediately pointing out racially charged injustice with white victims. I can never quite put my finger on what the motivation is to do that. Do these people have an axe to grind with another race? Do they feel like they are unfairly lumped in with aggressors of the same race as them? Are they just trying to deflect the problem by projecting it onto other races?

My latest guess is to just lump it into my Grand Unified Theory Of *****ing And Moaning: wherein I postulate that every person on the planet simply yearns to complain about something every now and then, and this provides the motivation for any number of seemingly irrational behaviors.

*I should say: "in a sect of white people that I've seen in my own personal experiences: here on this board, in some social/family circles and in workplaces of varying levels of racial integration". I should probably also say that you could probably see the same knee-jerk reaction in any group of people when faced with an injustice where one of their own was the aggressor, but I don't have enough personal experience there to back any of that up.
 
Re: Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!

ScoobyDoo said:
This is even more hilarious.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...cter-racial-double-standard-article-1.1399073
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...rs-for-warning-shot-did-she-stand-her-ground/

Florida is a joke. Double standard for the win.
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Re: Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!

ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
Easy there, tiger. Whatever you think you can say about the Black Panthers, it's not equivalent in any way shape or form to what happened in this country for 400 years.
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Black on black crime? The slave trade was an element of tribal warfare in Africa in which one black tribe would enslave another black tribe, then bring them to market to sell to the slave traders. The slave trade wasn't an example of racism; it only appeared that way in the US but not when you look at the entire picture holistically.
 
Re: Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!

ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
Agreed. But how is that relevant to the issue of race-oriented crimes with black victims? (This next part isn't necessarily directed at you) There's a knee-jerk reaction among a sect of white people* wherein people react to racially charged injustice with black victims by immediately pointing out racially charged injustice with white victims. I can never quite put my finger on what the motivation is to do that. Do these people have an axe to grind with another race? Do they feel like they are unfairly lumped in with aggressors of the same race as them? Are they just trying to deflect the problem by projecting it onto other races?
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My theory is that it's a very inarticulate way of trying to say that just because a white person kills a black person, or a black person kills an asian, it's not necessarily race related. It certainly doesn't rise to the level of being presumptively a race-crime, and in all likelihood, has no relationship to race at all.

Are there crimes in this country that are motivated by the perpetrator's dislike of the victim's race. No question. But I would guess more than 99% of all crime in this country is wholly unrelated to race. The perpetrator is a bad guy and the victim was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Do I think those black kids who beat that guy senseless to the point where he died a year later were motivated by race. No way. A bunch of juvenile delinquents who in the context of a group got carried away and did something terribly stupid.

If your world view is one of racism, then every act is colored through that vision. And I suppose that if your world view is one of non-racism, the same acts appear differently to you.

But that's why it's a good idea to look at the actual evidence before leaping to a conclusion that a person was racially motivated.
 
Re: Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!

ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
Easy there, tiger. Whatever you think you can say about the Black Panthers, it's not equivalent in any way shape or form to what happened in this country for 400 years.
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So racism on the basis of vindication is OK? I'm sorry to see what happened earlier in history, but that is the past. We can learn from the mistakes made, and from what I can see, the mistake made was that tension was caused from one race singling out another race. The solution seems to be that we must give everyone the same light.

ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
Agreed. But how is that relevant to the issue of race-oriented crimes with black victims? (This next part isn't necessarily directed at you) There's a knee-jerk reaction among a sect of white people* wherein people react to racially charged injustice with black victims by immediately pointing out racially charged injustice with white victims. I can never quite put my finger on what the motivation is to do that. Do these people have an axe to grind with another race? Do they feel like they are unfairly lumped in with aggressors of the same race as them? Are they just trying to deflect the problem by projecting it onto other races?

My latest guess is to just lump it into my Grand Unified Theory Of *****ing And Moaning: wherein I postulate that every person on the planet simply yearns to complain about something every now and then, and this provides the motivation for any number of seemingly irrational behaviors.

*I should say: "in a sect of white people that I've seen in my own personal experiences: here on this board, in some social/family circles and in workplaces of varying levels of racial integration". I should probably also say that you could probably see the same knee-jerk reaction in any group of people when faced with an injustice where one of their own was the aggressor, but I don't have enough personal experience there to back any of that up.
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How is it relevant? Racism, by definition, is singling out specific parties in a situation solely based upon the person's race. If someone truly goes after someone else because of race, there's no question that that is racism. To single out a specific party in accusation because of a race coincidence is also racism. The way I see it is that it doesn't matter the race involved. A battery is still a battery. A put down is still a put down. A manslaughter is still a manslaughter. Once we stop bringing attention to race can we finally progress in equal protection under the law and equal standing in life.
 
Re: Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!

FlagDUDE08 said:
So racism on the basis of vindication is OK? I'm sorry to see what happened earlier in history, but that is the past. We can learn from the mistakes made, and from what I can see, the mistake made was that tension was caused from one race singling out another race. The solution seems to be that we must give everyone the same light.



How is it relevant? Racism, by definition, is singling out specific parties in a situation solely based upon the person's race. If someone truly goes after someone else because of race, there's no question that that is racism. To single out a specific party in accusation because of a race coincidence is also racism. The way I see it is that it doesn't matter the race involved. A battery is still a battery. A put down is still a put down. A manslaughter is still a manslaughter. Once we stop bringing attention to race can we finally progress in equal protection under the law and equal standing in life.
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The problem is, there is no going back. The "victimization" of the criminal justice system is too ingrained.

Two decades ago it started, and in my opinion has been one of worst things we've done in this country. Turning the criminal justice system into a "victims rights" forum. Now we have all these victims advocacy groups, victim impact statements at sentencing, etc... Everything, is geared towards the victims.

If I have a white family member who is killed by some lunatic, who then turns around and kills a black man, all the while screaming "die n****r", is the second crime any more heinous than the first? That's pretty insulting if you say it is.
 
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