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Nice Planet 3: I Can't Believe I Share A Planet With THESE People!

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All the chain donut shops are worthless. There are several local, stand-alone donut places here in the area that are FAAARRR superior to those other places.

I've got the perfect name for the donut shop I'll open some day: Smokey's Hideaway.
 
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You won't find better doughnuts than at a small, locally owned bakery. The bakery back home is just incredible, and there are similar places in many small towns/neighborhoods.
 
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You won't find better doughnuts than at a small, locally owned bakery. The bakery back home is just incredible, and there are similar places in many small towns/neighborhoods.

Yes. Although that's also true for restaurants, too. When I worked in Houston there was a joint that made beignets. You didn't have to wait for some flashing light to get hot ones. They were hot all the time. Powdered sugar or cinnamon. Mmmmmmmmmmmm, beignets.
 
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Adam Lanza fired 154 rounds. In five minutes. And used 30 round magazines. And that's offered as "proof" that we need to ban high capacity magazines. Really? Every one of the 20 children he murdered was shot more than once. One child was struck 11 times. Would those children have been less dead if he'd only shot them once each because he was worried about reloading? Je le doute.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...connecticutbre92r0em-20130328,0,1283113.story
 
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Nice historical reference. Just a few days ago the name Kimberly Bergalis came up in a conversation I had. It should be recalled, however, that Acer was evidently a deranged serial killer, who almost certainly deliberately infected his patients with HIV. Scant consolation to any of the 7,000 who may have infected this time around, to be sure. And in the unlikely event some may have actually been infected with HIV, the prognosis is far brighter than it was in Acer's day.
 
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Nice reference. Just a few days ago the name Kimberly Bergalis came up in a conversation I had. It should be recalled, however, that Acer was a deranged serial killer, who deliberately infected his patients with HIV. Scant consolation to those who may have infected this time around, to be sure. And in the unlikely event some may have been infected with HIV, the prognosis is far brighter than it was in Acer's day.

While the evidence in Acer's cases was highly suspicious, it was mostly circumstantial. He was gay, antisocial, had AIDS, and was an alcoholic. Most incriminating was the 'friend' who claimed he had heard Acer make a comment about HIV not getting research attention because it was still considered a gay man's disease, "but when it starts infecting grandmothers and teenage girls, the country will start paying attention." Lo and behold, two of Acer's six infected patients were a teenage girl (Bergalis), and a grandmother. This all looks mighty ****ing, but until you can prove he deliberately stuck himself with needles, then used those infected needles to administer Novocaine to selected victims, it ain't Murder 1. And his office staff all claimed that they never noticed any funny business going on either, other than that Acer was sometimes careless about ensuring his tools were properly disinfected.

Now, as for possible negligent homicide, the door is certainly wide open for discussion there. But I digress, the world will probably never know. If I have to guess, based on his antisocial standing in the community, I would say there's a good chance he murdered at least a couple of them, but the guy was a drunken mess. For all we know, he could've *****ed himself in a blackout, then carelessly used those needles the next day, unable to remember if he'd cleaned them or not. Still a stupid, needless tragedy and worthy of prosecution if he'd lived long enough to face it, but not pre-meditated murder.

Back to this story though, you're correct in that it's not quite the same thing, but we don't quite know all the details yet.
 
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While the evidence in Acer's cases was highly suspicious, it was mostly circumstantial. He was gay, antisocial, had AIDS, and was an alcoholic. Most incriminating was the 'friend' who claimed he had heard Acer make a comment about HIV not getting research attention because it was still considered a gay man's disease, "but when it starts infecting grandmothers and teenage girls, the country will start paying attention." Lo and behold, two of Acer's six infected patients were a teenage girl (Bergalis), and a grandmother. This all looks mighty ****ing, but until you can prove he deliberately stuck himself with needles, then used those infected needles to administer Novocaine to selected victims, it ain't Murder 1. And his office staff all claimed that they never noticed any funny business going on either, other than that Acer was sometimes careless about ensuring his tools were properly disinfected.

Now, as for possible negligent homicide, the door is certainly wide open for discussion there. But I digress, the world will probably never know. If I have to guess, based on his antisocial standing in the community, I would say there's a good chance he murdered at least a couple of them, but the guy was a drunken mess. For all we know, he could've *****ed himself in a blackout, then carelessly used those needles the next day, unable to remember if he'd cleaned them or not. Still a stupid, needless tragedy and worthy of prosecution if he'd lived long enough to face it, but not pre-meditated murder.

Back to this story though, you're correct in that it's not quite the same thing, but we don't quite know all the details yet.

I'm satisfied that Acer did it, intentionally. The "oops, I got so drunk I forgot basic sterile techniques" defense is, to my way of thinking, the least credible. If you're that freakin' drunk, you cancel your appointments for that day. Prisons are full of people convicted on the basis of circumstantial evidence. Fingerprints and DNA are circumstantial evidence. And IIRC, there was nothing connecting those people except for sitting in that pr*ck's chair. Fortunately, I don't have to consult Judge Ito to make up my mind. Acer's dead and all those poor victims are dead. Case closed.

Interesting, you seem to need convincing that Acer was guilty of murder and make a good lawyerly argument that we can't convict him of murder 1 because of absence of evidence, etc. But in the case at hand, despite the fact that it seems mostly like health officials are erring on the side of caution, an enormous number of patients is involved, at two different offices, perhaps with different dentists, and nobody's been diagnosed with anything yet*, let alone dead, you seem to be holding open the possibility that we're dealing with Acer writ large. It's possible Acer was an innocent victim of AIDS hysteria (there was certainly a lot of it going around in those days) and the doc(s) involved here are like the Weiss Angel from "Marathon Man." But I'm a firm believer in Occam's Razor and IMO Acer was a murderer and the dentist(s) in the current case are merely slobs. Fingers crossed that's all it is. Still, very high marks for the historical reference. Other posters your age probably think we're trippin'.

*One patient has been diagnosed with hepatitis. Health officials were able to back track to the dentist and issued their warning.

There was a case while I was in Houston of the same doc killing two female liposuction patients because of poor sterile techniques. He wasn't a board certified plastic surgeon. Evidently "learned" the procedure during a weekend seminar in Vegas. Advertised on billboards. And most certainly wasn't referred by the victims' PCPs. If they had talked to their family docs, the docs would have recommended diet and exercise. Failing that, if they insisted, he would have referred them to a board certified guy. I'm not for picking a surgeon based on billboards, like Stuckey's.
 
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First a 17-year old shoots a baby in the face. Then three of his women folk are arrested for offering phony alabis for him and tossing the murder weapon. Now a county commissioner has been charged with interfering with investigators. What the h*ll is wrong with these people? I say put all these losers under the prison.

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...ommissioner-charged-jailed-baby-killing-probe
 
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Interesting, you seem to need convincing that Acer was guilty of murder and make a good lawyerly argument that we can't convict him of murder 1 because of absence of evidence, etc.

Well, in a way, it's "funny" that this story should come up, considering it was only a month ago that I stumbled on the tragic story of Kimberly Bergalis and the rest of Acer's infected patients (or victims, if you're so inclined). That was all going down in 90/91/92, when I was 3-5 years old (I was born in very late '86). So while I'd like to proclaim that historical distance has given me a tendency to review all of the facts before drawing conclusions, it's important to note that I also think that OJ was guilty, and I was only 8 when that case was tried in '95 (so just barely old enough to recall the public hoopla).

In a more recent, less racially- or sexually-charged example, contrast with Casey Anthony, who I also think got off scott free due to prosecutor incompetence.
 
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Well, in a way, it's "funny" that this story should come up, considering it was only a month ago that I stumbled on the tragic story of Kimberly Bergalis and the rest of Acer's infected patients (or victims, if you're so inclined). That was all going down in 90/91/92, when I was 3-5 years old (I was born in very late '86). So while I'd like to proclaim that historical distance has given me a tendency to review all of the facts before drawing conclusions, it's important to note that I also think that OJ was guilty, and I was only 8 when that case was tried in '95 (so just barely old enough to recall the public hoopla).

In a more recent, less racially- or sexually-charged example, contrast with Casey Anthony, who I also think got off scott free due to prosecutor incompetence.

Interesting. You're right about OJ and Anthony, of course. And the prosecution in both cases was inept. Plus, Lance Ito was the worst judge ever, maybe in the history of American jurisprudence. You may not recall, but on numerous occasions, Johnny Cochran made reference to "people watching on TV" or some such. Man, a judge with gonads would have smashed that right back into his face. Ito was so passive, it was sometimes possible to think there was no judge at all.

Hypothetical: Q: what did OJ have for lunch? A: a ham and cheese sandwich. Q: that would be ham & cheese on bread? A: yes. Q: what kind of bread? A: rye. Q: then wouldn't that be a ham and cheese on rye? And on and on and on. Grandstanding "dream team" lawyers and a judge unwilling to use his considerable powers to get them to move it along.

The prosecution thought it was going to score points by trying the case where there would be many African American jurors. Well, if you were looking for OJ's "peers" you should have looked on the first tee of the Riviera Country Club, where he was a member. Not for middle class people working for the USPS. What they wound up with was a conviction proof jury. The huge irony of that case was that until he committed double murder, OJ had been criticized for "going white." Overnight, he became one of the Scottsboro boys. The truth of the matter was that LAPD extended him courtesies on the numerous spousal abuse calls to his residence it would have never extended to ordinary people. After hearing months of testimony, the jury made up its mind in a couple of hours. This is the same prosecutor's office that tried the Rodney King case in Simi Valley. Big surprise there. The white jury acquitted the white cops.

Think back to the trials of the neo Nazis who fatally dragged Mr. Byrd behind their pickup in Jasper, TX. Only one black guy on the jury that tried the ring leader. And the other jurors made him the foreman. Not good news if you're a tattooed Nazi a*shole charged with that unspeakable crime waiting to see if you're going to get the needle.

As to the guy in Oklahoma, given the scope of the problem (they don't have patient records that go back further than 5 years I believe) this could be way worse than Acer. Thanks for the explanation of how such a young guy made the connection so quickly. I was thinking you'd written a paper or something.

Years ago, on a Friday, we had gone to lunch at Luby's and came back feeling like we were ready for the weekend. The AP began sending "bulletins" and "urgents" about an apparent attempt on Gerald Ford. As these things happen, the story developed with the passing of time. Additional details were added. Coincidentally, I had just finished reading Vince Bugliosi's "Helter Skelter," the story of the Tate murders and his prosecution of the Manson gang. Anyway, within a few minutes, AP said the young woman arrested was Lynette Fromm. I got a cold chill. My God, Squeaky tried to kill the president. I'll never forget that moment.
 
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