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Nice Planet 2012

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Too many of us have an idea in our heads that "that could be me," after the company Christmas party or baby shower or whatever, getting into big trouble with a DWI. In fact, my understanding is there are people out there who drive waaay drunk, all the time. They are hard core alcoholics, and we should do everything possible to get them off the streets, permanently. No breath inter-lock systems, no driving only to and from work, nothing. Take a cab or bum a ride or walk. And any judge who goes easy on drunks shouldn't be retained or reelected.

Several years ago a lady nearly plowed into my brother's car in Phoenix. He was able to apply the brakes in time to avoid getting T-boned. My mother, brother, sister-in-law and I all would have likely been severely injured or worse. This was like on Wednesday night during Christmas week, around 11PM, and she was already double drunk and heading home. And not caught DWI for the first time, either. Years ago in Phoenix, long before our awareness of DWI was raised by MADD and others, if you got ticketed for DWI and convicted, you went to jail for a night. Period. The then mayor of Phoenix, Margaret Hance, took the punishment and used it as a "teachable moment" (how I hate that term). And lots of jurisdictions have instituted that kind of shock therapy for first offenders, too. You can make a mistake and get caught DWI the first time. Only a hopeless drunk gets caught multiple times, period.
I believe my boss summed it up nicely: I've driven when I shouldn't have, and I've been lucky, but I'd like to think that if I was drunk enough to think swimming for it was a good idea, I might recognize that I was too drunk to drive.
 
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I believe my boss summed it up nicely: I've driven when I shouldn't have, and I've been lucky, but I'd like to think that if I was drunk enough to think swimming for it was a good idea, I might recognize that I was too drunk to drive.

Richard Pryor said he realized he had a problem with cocaine when he woke up on the freeway doing 90.
 
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I've always believed booze reveals the true, inner person. You show me somebody who wants to sing and hug and tell stories when they've had a few, I'll show you an ordinary decent guy. You show me somebody who acts like a belligerant a*shole when he's had too much to drink, and I'll show you a belligerant a*shole.

I get really chatty after one to two drinks, then go spacey after three.

...yeah, that's about right.
 
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No stats to back this up, but it is my opinion that 90% of the people who drink have, at some time in their life, driven with a blood alcohol content over the current .08% legal limit. "There but for the grace of God....."
 
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No stats to back this up, but it is my opinion that 90% of the people who drink have, at some time in their life, driven with a blood alcohol content over the current .08% legal limit. "There but for the grace of God....."

Absolutely no doubt about it. However, the biggest part of the problem to me, are the drunks who drive drunk all the time.

Old Pio Annecdote alert: I've mentioned before about the fiancee of the president of my fraternity who was killed by a drunk driver. She was on the DU volleyball team and the ladies were having an end of season party. Pizza and cokes. On their way home, some guy going the wrong way hit them head on. She was ejected and fatally injured. He, naturally, wasn't seriousy injured and was trying to restart his car and drive away when the cops arrived. He had an extensive DWI record. This kind of thing happens thousands of times a year (it almost happened to my family) and we must do a better job of getting and keeping these drunks off our streets.
 
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So nearly 33 years to the day after he disappeared, NYPD has made an arrest in the case of Etan Patz. The stories include the grisly details we all suspected but never knew for sure: dismembering the boy's body, disposing of it like so much garbage in plastic bags. The reports I've seen have not mentioned rape, but it seems almost certain that was part of this adorable child's ordeal, too. What his final moments must have been like. One weeps for him, his parents and siblings.

The killer needs to be executed, publicly if possible, to send a message to all the other wanna be killer pedophiles out there that they can run but they can't hide. If we can't protect our children and avenge their murders, what kind of a society are we?

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/..._in_patz_disappearance_eEcUgDAqlekvwMV0B4QMyJ
 
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Absolutely no doubt about it. However, the biggest part of the problem to me, are the drunks who drive drunk all the time.

Old Pio Annecdote alert: I've mentioned before about the fiancee of the president of my fraternity who was killed by a drunk driver. She was on the DU volleyball team and the ladies were having an end of season party. Pizza and cokes. On their way home, some guy going the wrong way hit them head on. She was ejected and fatally injured. He, naturally, wasn't seriousy injured and was trying to restart his car and drive away when the cops arrived. He had an extensive DWI record. This kind of thing happens thousands of times a year (it almost happened to my family) and we must do a better job of getting and keeping these drunks off our streets.
Accidents like that were of why I left law enforcement after 21 years. I watched a 17 year old boy die in the arms of an off-duty nurse. He was a passenger in a car that was rear-ended by another kid who was stoned.
When it got to the point that those accidents didn't bother me, I knew it was time to get out.
 
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Absolutely no doubt about it. However, the biggest part of the problem to me, are the drunks who drive drunk all the time.
Take this for what you will, but the MADD website lists a statistic that the average person who is issued a DUI has driven drunk over 80 times before they were caught.

Again, take that for what you will, but OP's assertion (I think it was OP) that people with multiple DUI's are driving drunk habitually, is probably spot on.
 
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Accidents like that were of why I left law enforcement after 21 years. I watched a 17 year old boy die in the arms of an off-duty nurse. He was a passenger in a car that was rear-ended by another kid who was stoned.
When it got to the point that those accidents didn't bother me, I knew it was time to get out.

I seem to recall the actor Dana Andrews coming out as an alcoholic in a PSA where he was making the point about people driving totally smashed, not just "impaired." IIRC, he was standing on a 2-lane highway with some out of control dude approaching from behind him.

I can't imagine what it must have been like for you. Totally innocent, very unlucky people whose lives are snuffed out by selfish drunks. Some aren't killed of course, they're just paralyzed or have their brains scrambled for life. Prison time is called for. I recall a large tavern I passed in Sarasota every morning on my way home from work. Maybe 10 or 11 in the morning, and lots of cars in the parking lot. What the h*ll were those people doing? Maybe some of them were enjoying the SOS brunch, but they were doubtless washing it down with boilermakers.
 
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Take this for what you will, but the MADD website lists a statistic that the average person who is issued a DUI has driven drunk over 80 times before they were caught.

Again, take that for what you will, but OP's assertion (I think it was OP) that people with multiple DUI's are driving drunk habitually, is probably spot on.

And that average would take into account the "first timers" or "infrequent drunks" as well as the hard core, always sh*t faced, always behind the wheel types, too. There are people out there who are drunk virtually every time they get behind the wheel. Because they spend their lives drunk. They wake up drunk. And immediately begin drinking again.
 
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The killer needs to be executed, publicly if possible, to send a message to all the other wanna be killer pedophiles out there that they can run but they can't hide. If we can't protect our children and avenge their murders, what kind of a society are we?
I think the killer's name should be redacted from all the press. Because coming out after all these years I think he's looking for some publicity, and we shouldn't give him any. Report on what happened, just don't name the guy.
I can't imagine what it must have been like for you. Totally innocent, very unlucky people whose lives are snuffed out by selfish drunks. Some aren't killed of course, they're just paralyzed or have their brains scrambled for life. Prison time is called for. I recall a large tavern I passed in Sarasota every morning on my way home from work. Maybe 10 or 11 in the morning, and lots of cars in the parking lot. What the h*ll were those people doing? Maybe some of them were enjoying the SOS brunch, but they were doubtless washing it down with boilermakers.
In all fairness, maybe they had just gotten off of work - like you - and were stopping off just as a guy who punches out at 5pm. Getting whitewashed is wrong either way, but don't judge what is going on merely by a clock.
 
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I think the killer's name should be redacted from all the press. Because coming out after all these years I think he's looking for some publicity, and we shouldn't give him any. Report on what happened, just don't name the guy.
In all fairness, maybe they had just gotten off of work - like you - and were stopping off just as a guy who punches out at 5pm. Getting whitewashed is wrong either way, but don't judge what is going on merely by a clock.

You apply whatever benefit of the doubt standards you wish( they had jobs, they were only getting a beer after work, and then they were going to head home, and they weren't going to stay there for hours). I'll apply the standards of common sense. It was a dump, which I'd never go into at any time. So maybe you're right, they were all members of the Upright Citizen's Brigade, and they were in there to enjoy the decor and the kweezine, but I kinda doubt it.

The monster who killed Etan Patz, didn't "come out." He was tracked down by NYPD, which had reopened the case, and confronted with irrefutable evidence that he was the guy. Again, you evidently want to give this piece of sh*t some benefit of the doubt or consideration. He'd remained silent for 33 years, I seriously doubt he had any plans to change that strategy. Regardless, it isn't possible to keep his name from the public. We don't have a managed press. And what you're talking about would be unacceptable collusion. That's not how it works.
 
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The monster who killed Etan Patz, didn't "come out." He was tracked down by NYPD, which had reopened the case, and confronted with irrefutable evidence that he was the guy. Again, you evidently want to give this piece of sh*t some benefit of the doubt or consideration. He'd remained silent for 33 years, I seriously doubt he had any plans to change that strategy. Regardless, it isn't possible to keep his name from the public. We don't have a managed press. And what you're talking about would be unacceptable collusion. That's not how it works.
My mistake. I had understood that he had volunteered the information.
 
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Wow...

I looked her up on Facebook. She has nine friends. I didn't know someone could only have nine Facebook friends. Though I suppose when you'd rather lie to send someone to prison so you can get money you probably won't have many friends, in Facebook or real life.

I'd like to see a school give him a chance. On ABC.com the article said MSU was after him, I wouldn't mind Dantonio giving up a scholarship for him. If he doesn't make it to the NFL at least he'd have a chance to turn his life around with an education.
 
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Wow...

I looked her up on Facebook. She has nine friends. I didn't know someone could only have nine Facebook friends. Though I suppose when you'd rather lie to send someone to prison so you can get money you probably won't have many friends, in Facebook or real life.

I'd like to see a school give him a chance. On ABC.com the article said MSU was after him, I wouldn't mind Dantonio giving up a scholarship for him. If he doesn't make it to the NFL at least he'd have a chance to turn his life around with an education.

What seals the deal on the kind of person she is at this late date, after what she did and what she caused, she's concerned about returning the mil and a half she got. I believe it was Shakespeare who laid out the requirements for getting a pound of flesh from her. Mercifully, this sort of thing doesn't happen too often.

I'm all for giving the young man a shot at football and an education. Just wondering if a smaller school, with a less challenging program might not be better for him. I'd predict somebody's going to reach out to him and give him a chance.
 
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