Nice Planet 2011

[nmupiccdiva]

Re: Nice Planet 2011

I know it is popular around here to disagree with Old Pio, but really, I have to agree with him 100% on this.

I'm not disagreeing with him. Personally, I'd love for her to wear her uniform and I think it's sad that she isn't being allowed to do so. I'm just saying that I can see why the school is doing what they're doing, that's all.

Or compromise. Her accomplishment is significant enough that they could add a short, 1 minute, segment to the entire ceremony, where they could call her to stage in her dress uniform, give her a certificate or a plaque, have everyone cheer for her. Then she gets the recognition that she deserves, and she gets to have the honor of wearing her uniform at the ceremony. Then ask her to wear the gown when she goes up to get her diploma. This should be a solution that everyone can live with.

I like this solution. I think this would be a terrific compromise.

 

[Old Pio]

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Should the school allow a kid who, after years and years of hard work and dedication, has won a scholarship to play at OSU wear that uniform to graduation because they are proud of the kid? Should they allow an Eagle Scout to wear his uniform because they are proud of him? Should they allow a young lady to wear a bikini because she has just been named Miss (Insert State-name here) and they are proud of her? There are plenty of kids who will be walking across that stage who we should all be very proud of, but, frankly, don't deserve special recognition in this venue. I'm enormously proud of this young woman and what she is doing, but it has nothing to do with her high school career or the graduation ceremony.

Someone has already beaten you to this miazma of non sequitors. Besides, in the case of a kid going to play football at OSU, he'd be peddling that uniform after the ceremony then driving away in his brand new car.

 

[UncleRay]

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Someone has already beaten you to this miazma of non sequitors. Besides, in the case of a kid going to play football at OSU, he'd be peddling that uniform after the ceremony then driving away in his brand new car.

If you can't connect those dots, there's not much hope for you.

And I love how, after you berate people for jumping to conclusion, you jump to conclusions about OSU football players.

 

[Old Pio]

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If you can't connect those dots, there's not much hope for you.

And I love how, after you berate people for jumping to conclusion, you jump to conclusions about OSU football players.

Yeah. Throw in the mandatory defense of that cesspool of NCAA violations. I don't think there's much "jumping to conclusions" when it comes to the toilet that is OSU football. Puts your other arguments in persective. All you did with your post was rewrite the "slipery slope" argument. Others have beaten you to it.

 

[leswp1]

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I believe the medical term is flight of ideas/ tangential thinking....

 

[Old Pio]

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Besides all you "rules are rules" drones, why not have have a limited list of possible exceptions? OSU football uniform? Only if accomanied by his parole officer. Eagle Scouit? Okay. Beauty contest winner. No. What would be wrong about that? 'Course it would involve breaking or at least bending one of your precious "rules." But who would be hurt, and how?

 

[The Rube]

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Besides all you "rules are rules" drones, why not have have a limited list of possible exception? OSU football uniform? Only if accomanied by his parole officer. Eagle Scouit? Okay. Beauty contest winner. No. What would be wrong about that? 'Course it would involve breaking or at least bending one of your precious "rules."

Like I said before, then one of the non-exempted would complain, and possibly sue for "discrimination against (insert demographic) here," and we have the same discussion all over again.

 

[Old Pio]

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If I were you I'd be a bit careful about making assumptions about my background. I'm sure plenty of people here have made certain sacrifices on behalf of certain things. The fact we aren't compelled to mention it in half our posts doesn't change that.




None of that has anything to do with my question.




Also irrelevant.




I said no such thing.




Agrees with me? How so? I don't believe I stated an opinion.




So the merit of the school's right to establish policies is strictly a matter of your own subjective assignment of value. Got it.

I'm proud to have served my country. And if you're not proud of passing the hat for the Abraham Lincoln Brigades or whatever, that's your business. And if I'm not "careful" about my assumptions, what're you gonna do about it? But I do compliment you or your Clintonesque phrase "certain sacrifices on behalf of certain things." It's a beauty and completely without substance. But your ignorance of the military shines through your posts. And if you did serve (which I doubt) I'm guessing you've got the same respect for people in uniform as John Kerry.

As to your "bonafide entities," would that extend to HoJo's? They're a "bonafide entity"

 

[Old Pio]

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Like I said before, then one of the non-exempted would complain, and possibly sue for "discrimination against (insert demographic) here," and we have the same discussion all over again.

I doubt it. And haven't we had this particular permutation of this argument before? Besides, a list of exceptions worked out by a committee of teachers, students, administratrors, graduates, parents and yak herders would probably be able to withstand scrutiny.

 

[Old Pio]

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I believe the medical term is flight of ideas/ tangential thinking....

Where's Artie Johnson when you really need him?

 

[leswp1]

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I'm proud to have served my country. And if you're not proud of passing the hat for the Abraham Lincoln Brigades or whatever, that's your business. But your ignorance of the military shines through your posts. And if you did serve, I'm guessing you've got the same respect for people in uniform as John Kerry,

Hmm. I thought these were good points. I must have a logic problem. Any time anyone makes a salient point you revert to personally belittling and insulting them and pull out service to your country as some sort of tallisman. I know, I know....I will save you the trouble. I hate America. I must hate my Dad and all my friends in the military too because obviously if I didn't I would fully agree with you.

 

[The Rube]

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I doubt it. And haven't we had this particular permutation of this argument before?

Yes. But either you have chosen to ignore it, or don't realize that one exception opens the door for other exceptions, leading to a mess, which is why the school has the "no exceptions" rule in the first place.

 

[Foxton]

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Hmm. I thought these were good points. I must have a logic problem. Any time anyone makes a salient point you revert to personally belittling and insulting them and pull out service to your country as some sort of tallisman. I know, I know....I will save you the trouble. I hate America. I must hate my Dad and all my friends in the military too because obviously if I didn't I would fully agree with you.

Well it's good that you finally admit this and you will never be as good or love america as much as Old Pos.

 

[Old Pio]

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Hmm. I thought these were good points. I must have a logic problem. Any time anyone makes a salient point you revert to personally belittling and insulting them and pull out service to your country as some sort of tallisman. I know, I know....I will save you the trouble. I hate America. I must hate my Dad and all my friends in the military too because obviously if I didn't I would fully agree with you.

By George, he's got it. "Anytime?" Really? And I "belittle and insult," but you and the rest of the draft dodgers don't? C'mon, man up, why don't you? It all depends on how you look at it, of course, but I don't think I "pull out my service" nearly as often as you suggest. And I certainly don't "wave it as a talisman," whatever that means. From my perspective, it seems like you high minded libs resort to"belittling and insulting" about as much as I do. You've just convinced yourselves when you do it, it isn't "belittling and insulting," it's fair comment. You guys can dish it out but you can't take it. So is it my "style" or my "content" which offends you the most? I'm guessing if we agreed more often, you'd be able to live with my "style." And if you've got "friends in the millitary" it just shows how open minded they are. All of you anti-military types have been lining up, foursquare behind the little rules at some stupid high school. Why man we can't have any deviations from the rules. Why, that's inconcievable. What hypocritical twaddle.
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[Old Pio]

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Well it's good that you finally admit this and you will never be as good or love america as much as Old Pos.

That's "Old Pio," dipstick. Otherwise you've got it right.

 

[Old Pio]

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Yes. But either you have chosen to ignore it, or don't realize that one exception opens the door for other exceptions, leading to a mess, which is why the school has the "no exceptions" rule in the first place.

I just disagree with how big a problem it would be. Let's just assume we can get by this potential legal quagmire, what would be so wrong with having some exceptions? I ask again, who would be hurt, and how?

 

[leswp1]

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By George, he's got it. "Anytime?" Really? And I "belittle and insult," but you and the rest of the draft dodgers don't? C'mon, man up, why don't you? From my perspective, it seems like you high minded libs resort to"belittling and insulting" about as much as I do. You've just convinced yourselves when you do it, it isn't "belittling and insulting," it's fair comment. And if you've got "friends in the millitary" it just shows how open minded they are. All of you anti-military types have been lining up, foursquare behind the little rules at some stupid high school. Why man we can't have any deviations from the rules. Why, that's inconcievable. What hypocritical twaddle.
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Sometimes you have some good points but they way you present yourself is so obnoxious I wonder if it isn't an attempt at a caricature of your real self. It seems impossible that you are actually like this in real life. Thankfully my friends actually are literate enough to read what is written rather than assume what they want, group people into categories, dismiss them and generally spout off about stuff without critically thinking about any of it. So, I guess they hate America too.

 

[Old Pio]

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Sometimes you have some good points but they way you present yourself is so obnoxious I wonder if it isn't an attempt at a caricature of your real self. It seems impossible that you are actually like this in real life. Thankfully my friends actually are literate enough to read what is written rather than assume what they want, group people into categories, dismiss them and generally spout off about stuff without critically thinking about any of it. So, I guess they hate America too.

Yup, anybody who disagrees with you is either stupid or a whack job. The very essence of libtard argumentation. You and your "literate" friends and the rest of the sisters in the convent whining about my "style" deserve each other. But I'd recommend cutting back on the "self righteous" just a bit, it goes right to your hips.

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

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Graduation ceremonies are not about one person's individual achievements. They are about celebrating the entire class' accomplishment of graduating high school. It's great that she's proud of her accomplishments, as she should be, but this day is about academic achievement. The class ahead of me had a guy join the Marines after his junior year and go to boot camp over the summer. Want to know what he wore to graduation? Red cap and gown, like everyone else.

 

[Old Pio]

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Graduation ceremonies are not about one person's individual achievements. They are about celebrating the entire class' accomplishment of graduating high school. It's great that she's proud of her accomplishments, as she should be, but this day is about academic achievement. The class ahead of me had a guy join the Marines after his junior year and go to boot camp over the summer. Want to know what he wore to graduation? Red cap and gown, like everyone else.

I ask again. Who is hurt by recognizing (in some way) either before or during the ceremony, graduates who have special accomplishments? Don't most high schools honor valedictorians? The guy in the class ahead of you made his own decision, but he might have wanted to wear his uni to graduation. By the time she comes back for her 25th reunion, many of this young ladies classmates will be dead from drug overdoses or shootings, in prison, or on the run from the law. I like the earlier suggestion, honor her in uniform, then let her walk with everyone else in cap and gown. But the "rules are rules" crowd wouldn't countenance any compromise on this point, because she wants to wear the uniform of her country. A burqa would be another matter altogether. It's just facinating to me the intensity of the opposition to this young lady and what she wants to do (to this point we've had over 60 posts on the subject). And I'm impelled to the conclusion that much of that opposition has nothing to do with graduation protocols and everything to do with opposition to or dislike of the military.