Nice Planet 2011

[Foxton]

Re: Nice Planet 2011

Please note, we have finally found a rule Foxton thinks is carved in stone and should be enforced at all costs.

If it was a rule that specifically singled out individuals or groups, no that rule should not be enforced. Students should be treated equally. But this isn't, all students need to wear the school cap and gown and it's completely optional for her to go.

I don't ever use this phrase but god **** you are a dumb ***.... although I do like using your lords name in vain.

If this wasn't someone from the military you would be on the school's side. Micheal Bay fanwanks to the military less than you.

 

[XYZ]

Re: Nice Planet 2011

Too many of us are thinking too much about what's "under the gown." The point is not to cover up her uniform, the point is to walk proudly wearing it so people can see. I suppose you could put an asterisk by her name in the program, identifying what she's wearing underneath the gown, but that wouldn't be quite the same, would it? We're just going to have to disagree that this blizzard of lawsuits you're predicting is likely to occur. And even if you're right, it's no way to run a railroad or a high school. I would guess that she's probably the first person to have accomplished what she accomplished. And IMO the school should be proud of her and welcome her "walking" in her uniform. And, under the circumstances, the school and it's limp wristed officials should be easily able to fend off any complaints from "parents."

What if she wanted to wear the cap and gown to an official military ceremony where everyone else had to be in uniform? Would that be acceptable?

 

[Old Pio]

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What if she wanted to wear the cap and gown to an official military ceremony where everyone else had to be in uniform? Would that be acceptable?

You don't have to take an oath, and subject yourself to a separate legal system, to graduate from high school. You do to be in the Marine Corps. Apples/Oranges. There's no ceremony official or otherwise, where wearing the uniform is optional.

 

[XYZ]

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You don't have to take an oath, and subject yourself to a separate legal system, to graduate from high school. You do to be in the Marine Corps. Apples/Oranges.

How so? Both are bonafide entities that have policies for official ceremonies. When it comes to that, what's the difference?

 

[Old Pio]

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If it was a rule that specifically singled out individuals or groups, no that rule should not be enforced. Students should be treated equally. But this isn't, all students need to wear the school cap and gown and it's completely optional for her to go.

I don't ever use this phrase but god **** you are a dumb ***.... although I do like using your lords name in vain.

If this wasn't someone from the military you would be on the school's side. Micheal Bay fanwanks to the military less than you.

Classy as always. That's why we all look forward to those rare episodes when the thorazine wears off.

 

[Old Pio]

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How so? Both are bonafide entities that have policies for official ceremonies. When it comes to that, what's the difference?

Spent a lot of time in the military,have you? Let's see: oath to be in the military, no oath for h.s. Mandatory attendance for h.s., military is voluntary. UCMJ for military, not for h.s. Not to mention the fact that you wear a uniform all day every day in the military, not just for "official ceremonies." I mean, I'm all for the First Amendment, but this point you're attempting to make strikes me as really dumb. Here's a difference I'm confident you can understand: there are occasions in the military where not doing what you're told can subject you to prison or even execution. High school, not so much. If you think she shouldn't be allowed to wear her uniform at graduation, fine. Our "rules are rules" crowd (most of whom I suspect don't much care for the military) agrees with you. But please don't suggest since they are "bonafide entities" (whatever that means) that high school and serving in the military are the same and should be treated the same when it comes to "rules." In fact, in the military the "rules" are laws.

 

[leswp1]

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Yes she should be proud. No she shouldn't have a need, anymore than anyone else in that class, to tout her personal achievements or characteristics. I am not dissing the military. My dad is a retired Major in the Marines. I have full respect for the sacrifices and characteristics of our military but- this is not about someone having joined the service or having been judged worthy of the uniform. It is about the school graduation and what the person did in that school. There is no need for her to set herself apart. If she had become a Pastor would she be OK to wear her cleric garb instead of her cap and gown? That is a highly respected profession serving a much higher calling (sorry Foxy).

 

[Foxton]

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That is a highly respected profession serving a much higher calling (sorry Foxy).

Female pastors make me lol.

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[XYZ]

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Spent a lot of time in the military,have you?

If I were you I'd be a bit careful about making assumptions about my background. I'm sure plenty of people here have made certain sacrifices on behalf of certain things. The fact we aren't compelled to mention it in half our posts doesn't change that.

Let's see: oath to be in the military, no oath for h.s. Mandatory attendance for h.s., military is voluntary. UCMJ for military, not for h.s. Not to mention the fact that you wear a uniform all day every day in the military, not just for "official ceremonies." I mean, I'm all for the First Amendment, but this point you're attempting to make strikes me as really dumb.

None of that has anything to do with my question.

Here's a difference I'm confident you can understand: there are occasions in the military where not doing what you're told can subject you to prison or even execution. High school, not so much.

Also irrelevant.

If you think she shouldn't be allowed to wear her uniform at graduation, fine.

I said no such thing.

Our "rules are rules" crowd (most of whom I suspect don't much care for the military) agrees with you.

Agrees with me? How so? I don't believe I stated an opinion.

But please don't suggest since they are "bonafide entities" (whatever that means) that high school and serving in the military are the same and should be treated the same when it comes to "rules." In fact, in the military the "rules" are laws.

So the merit of the school's right to establish policies is strictly a matter of your own subjective assignment of value. Got it.

 

[johnnypohlfan]

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Shifting gears, here's a video of an upstanding female ripping a foul ball from a little girl's hands and proceeding to high-five her friends afterwards. Also unfortunate is the fact that no one bothered to grab the b**ch and throw her over the railing.

 

[nmupiccdiva]

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Shifting gears, here's a video of an upstanding female ripping a foul ball from a little girl's hands and proceeding to high-five her friends afterwards. Also unfortunate is the fact that no one bothered to grab the b**ch and throw her over the railing.

What a classy lady.

 

[Almington]

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Spent a lot of time in the military,have you? Let's see: oath to be in the military, no oath for h.s. Mandatory attendance for h.s., military is voluntary. UCMJ for military, not for h.s. Not to mention the fact that you wear a uniform all day every day in the military, not just for "official ceremonies." I mean, I'm all for the First Amendment, but this point you're attempting to make strikes me as really dumb. Here's a difference I'm confident you can understand: there are occasions in the military where not doing what you're told can subject you to prison or even execution. High school, not so much. If you think she shouldn't be allowed to wear her uniform at graduation, fine. Our "rules are rules" crowd (most of whom I suspect don't much care for the military) agrees with you. But please don't suggest since they are "bonafide entities" (whatever that means) that high school and serving in the military are the same and should be treated the same when it comes to "rules." In fact, in the military the "rules" are laws.

You can also be sent to jail or executed for not following the rules of society, which is just what laws are.

I'd also expect that she'd have more respect for authority and rules after making it through basic training. She made a request, that request was denied and now she's whining about it. Is she going to whine about having to follow an order in the military if she doesn't like it? Is she going to throw a temper tantrum when her request for leave is denied?

The school has the authority and responsibility to set the rules for the graduation ceremony, they have set uniform rules for everyone with regards to the dress code for the graduates to walk. The issue from the schools perspective is that once one exceptions is made, then they will have to constantly fight against having that exception grow over time.

I'm glad that she's proud of her choice to serve the nation and I'm thankful that she wants to make that sacrifice to this nation, but at the same time her training needs to kick in and she just needs to follow the rules set down by the school.

 

[bigmrg74]

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She finished her studies early, graduated, went to basic training, and now wants to go through the graduation proceedings. I'm with 'diva. A rule is a rule. And I don't believe that there is anything stopping her from wearing the uniform under the cap and gown during the ceremony, and go without the cap and gown whenever possible.

My thoughts on it as well. Not like she's going to flash the crowd here.

 

[Twitch Boy]

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I believe the word here is "pwn3d."

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: Nice Planet 2011

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I believe the word here is "pwn3d."

Situations like this are why the phrase "Oh, snap!" was invented.

Indeed

 

[Old Pio]

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You can also be sent to jail or executed for not following the rules of society, which is just what laws are.

I'd also expect that she'd have more respect for authority and rules after making it through basic training. She made a request, that request was denied and now she's whining about it. Is she going to whine about having to follow an order in the military if she doesn't like it? Is she going to throw a temper tantrum when her request for leave is denied?

The school has the authority and responsibility to set the rules for the graduation ceremony, they have set uniform rules for everyone with regards to the dress code for the graduates to walk. The issue from the schools perspective is that once one exceptions is made, then they will have to constantly fight against having that exception grow over time.

I'm glad that she's proud of her choice to serve the nation and I'm thankful that she wants to make that sacrifice to this nation, but at the same time her training needs to kick in and she just needs to follow the rules set down by the school.

You have zero understanding of what the military, and particularly the UCMJ, is about. In the military, that which is merely bad judgement in the civilian world, is a crime. It's bad judgement to tell your civilian boss to jump in the lake. In the military it's a crime. In the civilian world if you're engaged in a hazardous occupation and you don't think your boss is paying enough attention to safety you can quit. In the military, you can pay with your life for "quitting" (just ask Eddie Slovik). I would suggest all you arm chair field marshalls stop embarrassing yourselves with ignorant observations about how the military and a high school graduation are the same. And I really wish you anti-military types would stop pretending to be something you're not. Let's say she wanted to walk in a burqa. I'm guessing at least some of you would be all in favor of that. Diversity, don't you know. Don't want to be accused of being anti-Islam. Her "religion" requires her to wear the garment, who are we to tell her no?

With all your blathering about "authority" and "rules," you'd think the Lord God Jehovah handed down the rules at this stupid high school. They can alter or amend them as they see fit. They've chosen not to, with which I disagree. But you guys are acting like these "rules" are holy writ and we're risking "the American Way of Life" if one single exception is made. And the slippery slope argument (while an all time favorite for the ACLU) doesn't strike me as the threat you all suggest.

I'll be keeping track of the "rules are rules" crowd. We don't want any deviations from your position here on some other matter, do we? BTW, you should be able to make your point(s) without slandering the young lady. There's no evidence she's "throwing a temper tantrum". And she's not "whining." She asked for an exception and was denied. Maybe she called the media, or someone else did, in either case that's as American as apple pie. So disagree with me if you chose, but leave her out of it. Otherwise your claims of "respecting" her choices ring insincere.

While she is serving her country, many of her classmates will be polishing up their ciminal records or mastering the intricacies of the welfare system. She'll be fine.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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I know it is popular around here to disagree with Old Pio, but really, I have to agree with him 100% on this.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: Nice Planet 2011

I know it is popular around here to disagree with Old Pio, but really, I have to agree with him 100% on this.

You would think the officials at this school would want to spotlight her accomplishments and would want for her to show those kids what they can accomplish. It hadn't occurred to me, but if people around here are disgreeing just because it's me, then I want a commission.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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Or compromise. Her accomplishment is significant enough that they could add a short, 1 minute, segment to the entire ceremony, where they could call her to stage in her dress uniform, give her a certificate or a plaque, have everyone cheer for her. Then she gets the recognition that she deserves, and she gets to have the honor of wearing her uniform at the ceremony. Then ask her to wear the gown when she goes up to get her diploma. This should be a solution that everyone can live with.

 

[UncleRay]

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Should the school allow a kid who, after years and years of hard work and dedication, has won a scholarship to play at OSU wear that uniform to graduation because they are proud of the kid? Should they allow an Eagle Scout to wear his uniform because they are proud of him? Should they allow a young lady to wear a bikini because she has just been named Miss (Insert State-name here) and they are proud of her? There are plenty of kids who will be walking across that stage who we should all be very proud of, but, frankly, don't deserve special recognition in this venue. I'm enormously proud of this young woman and what she is doing, but it has nothing to do with her high school career or the graduation ceremony.