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Nice Planet 17: I Need a Cold ****ty Beer to Deal with You ***holes

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Kepler said:
We have never led.

"We're juuuuuuuuust anotherrrrrrrrrrr country." The stuff we learned in school about America as a city on the hill was propaganda. We were better than a lot of awful places, and much richer, so people came here. People still come here from Honduras and Vietnam and Iraq. But we were never "great." That was just empty words.

Our job is to make it better than it was. For most people (non-whites, women, non-Christians) America has always sucked. Our job is to make it not suck. For the first time.

Whenever we pass a civil rights law or make the powerful stop abusing the powerless we are breaking new ground. We aren't restoring America; we're changing it from the lie it always was to the truth we always wanted.
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It was never true, because no country is perfect. But it was taught. It was believed, certainly by large segments of the populace. And that teaching and that belief helped make it a better place than it otherwise would have been because there was that ideal to try to live up to.

It didn't create a perfect country for women, who were second class citizens for much of the country's history. It didn't create a perfect country for minorities who felt the harm of discrimination. But it made the country a heck of a lot better than it might otherwise have been, and it made a country that good people around the world wanted to migrate to, which in turn made the country better.

Yes, american exceptionalism has always been part myth, but I don't think the solution is to teach the opposite. Teaching that we are a country filled with discriminating nazi thugs has the same effect, just in the opposite direction. As a country we have tended to live down to that "ideal" as well.
 
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SJHovey said:
It was never true, because no country is perfect. But it was taught. It was believed, certainly by large segments of the populace. And that teaching and that belief helped make it a better place than it otherwise would have been because there was that ideal to try to live up to.

It didn't create a perfect country for women, who were second class citizens for much of the country's history. It didn't create a perfect country for minorities who felt the harm of discrimination. But it made the country a heck of a lot better than it might otherwise have been, and it made a country that good people around the world wanted to migrate to, which in turn made the country better.

Yes, american exceptionalism has always been part myth, but I don't think the solution is to teach the opposite. Teaching that we are a country filled with discriminating nazi thugs has the same effect, just in the opposite direction. As a country we have tended to live down to that "ideal" as well.
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I agree to a large extent. Except don't teach a myth -- teach the values as aspirational. And still teach the times we fell short and still do. Teaching about McCarthyism might have saved us from Nixon. Teaching about internment and segregation might have saved us from Dump.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Last time I checked we're supposed to lead. Where is our leadership? We're supposed to set the example. We're supposed to show everyone else how it's done.
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Nice shifting of the goalposts. That was pretty smooth even for you :eek:

And yes, you did. You went from "It can only happen here" to "We are supposed to be better" which are not the same. Impressive buddy :)
 
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Handyman said:
Nice shifting of the goalposts. That was pretty smooth even for you :eek:

And yes, you did. You went from "It can only happen here" to "We are supposed to be better" which are not the same. Impressive buddy :)
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Not shifting anything. The first post was posted with the second posts context in mind. That's the sarcasm of "Only in America". Which was, yes, sarcasm. But, hey, if you want me to post thinking America is supposed to be ****, I can do that.
 
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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Really sad, but dude should just keep cashing checks off these ignorant white people- or as I saw someone online say, WY PPL
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To be fair, the manager was Black.

"Wennerberg said the assistant manager who waited on Thomas was African American, and felt that something didn't "look right," so she called police."

I dont think this was racism as much as stupidity. All they had to do was call the other bank to confirm the check. Calling Enterprise makes no sense because the checks were part of a lawsuit. Plus the second the lawyer sent the proof that should have been enough.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
That happens everywhere.

See? That's sarcasm too but it assumes America shouldn't be better than that.
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Nobody said to do that. If you read my remarks to mean that then I apologize, I must have not been clear.

Also: black people getting harassed about stuff like hair by authorities and institutions as a form of poorly concealed racism does happen in other countries.

Fun fact: Tienanmen Square did not start out as a democracy protest. It started as a protest by Chinese students against visiting African students who had been accused of having sex with Chinese. The original banners in the square said things like "Hands Off Our Women!" At that point the Chinese government was in the process of responding to the initial protest by... deporting the students back to Africa.

America does need to be better. America is not nearly the world leader in either officially sanctioned or amateur populist racism.
 
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America being #1 ended when Will McAvoy gave his now famous speech on the 1st episode of the Newsroom.
 
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Kepler said:
The original banners in the square said things like "Hands Off Our Women!"
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30 years later, the CCP is still ginning up the same nonsense. The wumaos post stuff about "loser foreigners" (especially Americans) who couldn't make it back in their countries, so they come to China and steal "our" jobs/women.

Tale as old as time, really.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Not shifting anything.
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Yes you are and it's the first thought I had when I saw it happen. ffs Scooby you're a grown man act like it once in a while instead of sounding like an hysterical teenage girl that just learned Jutin Bieber has a new girlfriend. :)

Have you even been outside the country? Further than North America? The racism in America pales in comparison to the **** I've seen and we've had far less time to adjust to different people and cultures than just about every one of them.

You are absolutely correct that America should be better than it is and hopefully we will get there, but the sky really isn't falling.
 
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Slap Shot said:
Yes you are and it's the first thought I had when I saw it happen. ffs Scooby you're a grown man act like it once in a while instead of sounding like an hysterical teenage girl that just learned Jutin Bieber has a new girlfriend. :)

Have you even been outside the country? Further than North America? The racism in America pales in comparison to the **** I've seen and we've had far less time to adjust to different people and cultures than just about every one of them.

You are absolutely correct that America should be better than it is and hopefully we will get there, but the sky really isn't falling.
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Given the current global warming situation you're 100% correct. The sky isn't falling. The planet is burning. See California and Australia.
 
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RaceBoarder said:
America being #1 ended when Will McAvoy gave his now famous speech on the 1st episode of the Newsroom.
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That show was stupid in a lot of ways, but that was a really good speech. The thing is, it continued to spread the myth, however. Do you remember the final line? "So, no, America isn't the greatest country in the world. We sure used to be, though."

No, we weren't. We were, for quite a long time, the country with the best economy and the best chance for somebody to start with nothing and prosper. But we were never the most free, the most equal, or even the most democratic. Even all the stuff we were taught about being "first" in, we weren't.

First country to successfully revolt against a military super power? The Netherlands. And Spain was on the same continent.

First country to put common law above the king? England.

First country to enshrine universal personal rights in its constitution? Poland-Lithuania. They even called it the "Bill of Rights".

First country to abolish slavery? United Kingdom.

First country to enact universal male suffrage? France.

First country to extend suffrage to women? New Zealand.

We were, however, the first country to count certain people as only fractionally human.

We've done many good things democratically during three great spurts: during the founding, during the Jacksonian period, and during the New Deal-to-Great Society interval. Other than during those periods we've coasted, given tremendous power to the rich, and f-cked over anybody who wasn't the right ethnicity, religion, of gender. And the force that has been behind that stubborn recalcitrance to reform has almost always been the right.

Kill the right; save the world.
 
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Speaking of other countries.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A law which would allow men accused of having sex with girls who are under 18 to avoid punishment if they marry their victims is set to be introduced to parliament in Turkey. Remember that when you book your Turkey holiday.<a href="https://t.co/yQYylIXyJ5">https://t.co/yQYylIXyJ5</a></p>— Joolz Denby (@JoolzDenby) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoolzDenby/status/1220276074610921472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Are we better than them? I seem to remember similar things proposed here more often than not. Hell, Epstein got a sweetheart deal before the Clinton's wacked him.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Given the current global warming situation you're 100% correct. The sky isn't falling. The planet is burning. See California and Australia.
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See, what any good basketball coach will tell you is that the person with the ball needs to keep one foot always in contact with the floor while moving the other in any direction you freely choose. This is called a pivot, and it can be done to great effect when executed by a well-practiced player.
 
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St. Clown said:
See, what any good basketball coach will tell you is that the person with the ball needs to keep one foot always in contact with the floor while moving the other in any direction you freely choose. This is called a pivot, and it can be done to great effect when executed by a well-practiced player.
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I have no interest in improving that skillset. I'm too old at this point to care.
 
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“ Two former Nazi concentration camps are increasingly seeing visitors who disrupt memorial tours by voicing far-right sentiments and nostalgia for the camps' previous genocidal purposes.

“We even see anti-Semitic slogans or statements such as ‘if the camps were still in operation, we would have no problem with foreigners,'" said the head of the memorial foundation for Buchenwald and Mittelbau-Dora concentration camps. “There are increasing entries in our visitor books that describe National Socialism and the concentration camps as useful and good for Germany,”

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/4...ng-rise-in-far-right-visitors-foundation-head
 
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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
“ Two former Nazi concentration camps are increasingly seeing visitors who disrupt memorial tours by voicing far-right sentiments and nostalgia for the camps' previous genocidal purposes.

“We even see anti-Semitic slogans or statements such as ‘if the camps were still in operation, we would have no problem with foreigners,'" said the head of the memorial foundation for Buchenwald and Mittelbau-Dora concentration camps. “There are increasing entries in our visitor books that describe National Socialism and the concentration camps as useful and good for Germany,”

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/4...ng-rise-in-far-right-visitors-foundation-head
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