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Nice Planet 13: This Planet Sucks
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Handyman
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Re: Nice Planet 13: This Planet Sucks
I wonder if that means he is asking for it when I punch him in the face for saying such things publicly. I mean I believe in "live and let live" but if you are in my face spouting homophobic nonsense...
I wonder if that means he is asking for it when I punch him in the face for saying such things publicly. I mean I believe in "live and let live" but if you are in my face spouting homophobic nonsense...
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If you walk into a backwoods southern bar (yes, going full stereotype here) cross-dressed....you're probably going to get into some trouble.
Is it right? NO. Is it your fault? NO. Is it truthful? Yeah, chances are......
I'm not saying you SHOULDN'T do it, but expect the worst. It's sad, but that's the way of the world. I am pretty sure that is what Enzi is trying to say.
If you walk into a backwoods southern bar (yes, going full stereotype here) cross-dressed....you're probably going to get into some trouble.
Is it right? NO. Is it your fault? NO. Is it truthful? Yeah, chances are......
I'm not saying you SHOULDN'T do it, but expect the worst. It's sad, but that's the way of the world. I am pretty sure that is what Enzi is trying to say.
Slap Shot
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Re: Nice Planet 13: This Planet Sucks
Brent is correct in a way but the problem is where does that awareness start and does it end in time before we get to, "No means yes if you wear that dress you're gonna get it if you turn him on"? (a lyric from Tina & The B-Sides fyi). I think we need to fight acknowledging that possibility because it borders on legitimizing it even though Brent I know 100% you are not. So when someone in this guy's position makes a statement like that it silently empowers Johnny Hayseed under the din of the obvious protests that ensued.
Brent is correct in a way but the problem is where does that awareness start and does it end in time before we get to, "No means yes if you wear that dress you're gonna get it if you turn him on"? (a lyric from Tina & The B-Sides fyi). I think we need to fight acknowledging that possibility because it borders on legitimizing it even though Brent I know 100% you are not. So when someone in this guy's position makes a statement like that it silently empowers Johnny Hayseed under the din of the obvious protests that ensued.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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I don't think you should say something like this if you're an elected official. It appears to condone it, even if that's the last thing on the speaker's mind.
I don't think you should say something like this if you're an elected official. It appears to condone it, even if that's the last thing on the speaker's mind.
Handyman
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Re: Nice Planet 13: This Planet Sucks
I think we all get what he is saying...the point is he shouldnt be saying it especially to kids. He is tacitly endorsing the action even in the best light. (and lets not pretend that is light he is bathing in right now)
And again, there is zero chance the knife cuts both ways. If he walks into my bar in Minneapolis (a very tolerant area) and starts spouting homophobic nonsense I would not tell him he should expect to get beat down for saying it. Sure it might happen, but he is no more deserving of it than he seems to imply the man in the tutu is.
It is this type of crap and these types of statements that lead to the idea that women are asking for it...oh dont dress slutty, dont drink, dont hang out with the football team if you dont want to get raped. You have no one to blame but yourself...
I think we all get what he is saying...the point is he shouldnt be saying it especially to kids. He is tacitly endorsing the action even in the best light. (and lets not pretend that is light he is bathing in right now)
And again, there is zero chance the knife cuts both ways. If he walks into my bar in Minneapolis (a very tolerant area) and starts spouting homophobic nonsense I would not tell him he should expect to get beat down for saying it. Sure it might happen, but he is no more deserving of it than he seems to imply the man in the tutu is.
It is this type of crap and these types of statements that lead to the idea that women are asking for it...oh dont dress slutty, dont drink, dont hang out with the football team if you dont want to get raped. You have no one to blame but yourself...
ericredaxe
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Re: Nice Planet 13: This Planet Sucks
I'm not sure that acknowledging reality = condoning something.
I'm not sure that acknowledging reality = condoning something.
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I'm a little surprised there wasn't a follow up question to the statement, "I know a guy who wears a tutu and goes into bars on Friday nights."
ericredaxe
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Re: Nice Planet 13: This Planet Sucks
As I said to Kepler, I don't think acknowledging a possible reality = endorsing something.
I wouldn't say that someone spouting homophobic nonsense should expect to get beat up for it, but at the same time, I would certainly advise them for their own safety not to go into a bar and start spouting that off.
As I said to Kepler, I don't think acknowledging a possible reality = endorsing something.
I wouldn't say that someone spouting homophobic nonsense should expect to get beat up for it, but at the same time, I would certainly advise them for their own safety not to go into a bar and start spouting that off.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Nice Planet 13: This Planet Sucks
Fox is starting the sound a lot like Scientology. If you're harassed by their star performers you're ostracized and smeared. When complaints are filed, management forms a wall and deflects, denies, deceives. I guess this should not be a surprise -- it's how authoritarian cults work. But just think of the damage this particular cult has done to the country over the last 30 years.
Fox is starting the sound a lot like Scientology. If you're harassed by their star performers you're ostracized and smeared. When complaints are filed, management forms a wall and deflects, denies, deceives. I guess this should not be a surprise -- it's how authoritarian cults work. But just think of the damage this particular cult has done to the country over the last 30 years.
Handyman
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In an update of that story: They Filed The Class Action
"An expanded lawsuit filed Tuesday accuses Fox News Channel of racial discrimination “that appears more akin to Plantation-style management than a modern-day work environment.”
The lawsuit, filed in state Supreme Court, adds eight former and current Fox employees to a case involving three former Fox workers and their accusations against a since-fired Fox financial executive. It also expands the case to include Dianne Brandi, Fox’s chief counsel. "
In an update of that story: They Filed The Class Action
"An expanded lawsuit filed Tuesday accuses Fox News Channel of racial discrimination “that appears more akin to Plantation-style management than a modern-day work environment.”
The lawsuit, filed in state Supreme Court, adds eight former and current Fox employees to a case involving three former Fox workers and their accusations against a since-fired Fox financial executive. It also expands the case to include Dianne Brandi, Fox’s chief counsel. "
ScoobyDoo
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/26/us/kidnapped-ohio-woman.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/26/us/kidnapped-ohio-woman.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
ericredaxe
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Re: Nice Planet 13: This Planet Sucks
I'm not sure how we got from saying it might not be a good idea to walk into a backwards southern bar cross-dressed to women are asking to be raped? Seems like a big leap?
I'm not sure how we got from saying it might not be a good idea to walk into a backwards southern bar cross-dressed to women are asking to be raped? Seems like a big leap?
ScoobyDoo
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Have you seen the unreported rape statistics? The whole concept of "asking for it" needs to end. Just like the whole concept of "enforcer" in hockey needs to end.
Have you seen the unreported rape statistics? The whole concept of "asking for it" needs to end. Just like the whole concept of "enforcer" in hockey needs to end.
ericredaxe
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Re: Nice Planet 13: This Planet Sucks
I understand, but the subject was never rape in this thread?
I understand, but the subject was never rape in this thread?
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Nice Planet 13: This Planet Sucks
No, but asking for it was. In that context it applies.
No, but asking for it was. In that context it applies.
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