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NHL 2015, Part 3: Stanley Cup and Offseason

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burd said:
Impossible to beat winning a cup, but the game that will be played this offseason by Hawks' management will be another challenging performance that will be very interesting to watch. They play that game pretty well too.
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This was laid out in the Badger thread... coz we don't have anything good to talk about over there...


markwojo said:
This Cap hell will be more like after 2013 then 2010 for a couple reasons. they don't have to shed THAT much cap and their prospect pool is much deeper with many NHL ready options to plug holes. 2013, they moved a couple pieces in Bolland & Frolik in trade and let Stalberg & Emery leave as free agents. This year I expect 2 out of the trio of Sharp/Bickell/Versteeg to be traded and UFA's Oduya, Vermette, & Rozival to go elsewhere. The Hawks signed one of the top young scorers in the KHL as a free agent Panarin who some dub the Russian Kane. Not sure I buy that or that he can replace Sharp as a top 6 LW, but he may be an option there and should at the least provide some depth scoring as a bottom 6 guy. Mike Reilly from the Rodents is pulling a Justin Schultz and using 4 years out of high school to be a UFA and many think he will sign with the Hawks. Teravainen is ready to emerge as a player. Saad is a blossoming star (and already replaced Sharp as the top line LW when Sharp went down). Hawks have multiple forward prospects who've already gotten a taste or are knocking on the door (Nordstrom, Hartman, Danault, Ross, McNeil) and lots of dmen that are ready or close(TVR earned a spot out of camp and fought all the way back from multiple injuries to finish in the lineup for the Cup, Johns, Paliotta, & Pokka.

Move Sharp and Bickell for futures. Resign Saad & Kruger for something around 6-7 million per (depending on term...they could end up even lower if they get Saad on a 1 or 2 year bridge deal). Resign Richards for a similar 2 million (Rangers are still paying big money in a buyout and winning is addictive for guys that don't necessarily need the money). Plug Panarin and one kid forward into the lineup. Plug 2 of TVR, Johns, or Reilly into trio of Keith/Hjalmarson/Seabrook and you still have 2-3 million to plug a solid d man into the roster.
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As I said, the Hawks will be competing for more titles very soon.

:D
 
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aparch said:
Huh. I guess the Blackhawks ARE an expansion franchise formed in 2007. They're on their THIRD Cup according to some people down town...THIS is why they get the "bandwagon" label. Apparently '34, '38, and '61 don't exist.
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Brenthoven said:
I'm critical in the sense that they should remember all titles, but I also understand that in today's marketing...what have you done for me lately?
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I'd certainly agree that a real fan should know his team's history. But here are a couple of different ways of looking at this issue:

First, I'd suggest that there's a difference between knowing the history and claiming bragging rights. When it comes to titles won before you were born, what have you contributed to those efforts? If a fan chooses to respect and honor the earlier titles rather than claiming credit, that strikes me as rather refreshing, not some sort of problem.

Second, I believe the term bandwagon is being misapplied in this case. A bandwagoner is somehow who jumps on board during a promising run of wins, then jumps off at the first sign of adversity. Someone who liked what they saw in '07, joined in and stuck with it isn't a bandwagoner. They started out as a newbie, and began working their way up the ladder. It's been a magical run, but there has been some adversity -- including a couple of first round playoff exits. In other words, a couple of opportunities to jump ship. Those who persevered earned some feathers along the way, even if they are still relatively new.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
CM Punk on the local coverage...

Lol.


EDIT: He's actually been really good.
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You should follow Punk on Twitter at least during the playoffs. Besides Lady Wore Black, I'm not sure I can think of a bigger Hawks fan.
 
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I was one goalie malfunction away from seeing both my hockey teams win their 6th title in the same year. :(
 
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Gurtholfin said:
This was laid out in the Badger thread... coz we don't have anything good to talk about over there...





As I said, the Hawks will be competing for more titles very soon.

:D
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I agree they actually have a lot of D depth in the AHL that will be getting a chance to prove next year if they are ready. I think Johns and Pokka are ready to step in. That was why they were able to move Dahlbeck at the deadline for Vermette. If they do sign Reilly, I would be surprised if he makes it out of the AHL his first year.

If they do not move Seabrook at the draft, they may actually have a overall stronger set of 6 Dmen than this year.

I think it's fair to say Sharpe has played his last game as a Hawk. Bickell may be hard to move, but there are a few teams that need to get up to the cap floor.

It is also possible, though I think unlikely that they move Crawford. I don't think that happens until next offseason, if ever.

The Hawks will be right in the mix of things next year. It will be fun to watch what happens next Friday. Some big names in the NHL are going to be moving around during the draft.
 
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Slap Shot said:
So you're not 4 and a Pens fan?
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The whole whiney Sid thing is such a childish argument, you've even said so yourself in the past.

As for the hawks, even if they don't sign any of their UFAs or RFAs (obviously they're gonna have to give Saad a raise) and they get rid of Bickell, Versteeg, and Sharp, that's still 38 million tied up in 4 forwards and 17.6 tied up in 4 Dmen and 6.5 tied up in Crawford. That's not a lot of room to sign their RFA's and add guys thru free agency or what have you. I almost think they'd have to get rid of someone else too and that could be painful if it's one of their Dmen.
 
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Glendale is now asking the court to let it skip its $3.75 million payment to the Coyotes to manage the rink. Some legal analysis from a couple local legal folks in this article:
http://www.foxsports.com/arizona/story/Glendale-files-motion-to-skip-payment-to-arizona-coyotes-061815

While I'm still not impressed by Glendale in all of this, they do seem to make a good point or two about the city employees who hopped over to the Coyotes after the agreement was entered into.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Glendale is now asking the court to let it skip its $3.75 million payment to the Coyotes to manage the rink. Some legal analysis from a couple local legal folks in this article:
http://www.foxsports.com/arizona/story/Glendale-files-motion-to-skip-payment-to-arizona-coyotes-061815

While I'm still not impressed by Glendale in all of this, they do seem to make a good point or two about the city employees who hopped over to the Coyotes after the agreement was entered into.
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They had a lawyer speak about some of this on hockey prospectus. It seems like Glendale is just acting in bad faith to try and get a settlement.

http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/hp-radio-digging-into-the-glendalecoyotes-situation/
 
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You'd think that the NHL exec in charge of diversity would be able to get his facts straight. :rolleyes:

The fact the NHL has seen a rise in minority players has helped the increase in viewership among minority fans. From 1957 to 1995, according to the league, a total of 27 black players played in the NHL. In 2013-14 alone, 43 minority players, including 22 black players, earned spots on NHL rosters. The NHL still trails well behind the other major professional sports in this area, but progress is being made.

"The emergence of some African-American players -- P.K. Subban, Evander Kane, Johnny Oduya -- now kids are actually seeing players look like them," said NHL fan development and diversity programming senior vice president Ken Martin. (Note: Subban and Kane are Canadian, and Oduya is Swedish.) "It's been a win- win."
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Actually, it's rather obvious that he meant "black", but since that might offend some folks in this day and age, he went with the go-to PC version.
 
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I doubt it would offend anyone but I get what you're saying. And yeah that's clearly what he meant.
 
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trixR4kids said:
The whole whiney Sid thing is such a childish argument, you've even said so yourself in the past.

As for the hawks, even if they don't sign any of their UFAs or RFAs (obviously they're gonna have to give Saad a raise) and they get rid of Bickell, Versteeg, and Sharp, that's still 38 million tied up in 4 forwards and 17.6 tied up in 4 Dmen and 6.5 tied up in Crawford. That's not a lot of room to sign their RFA's and add guys thru free agency or what have you. I almost think they'd have to get rid of someone else too and that could be painful if it's one of their Dmen.
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The last part is why I think Crawford is not untouchable this offseason. They moved Niemi over Hjalmarsson in the past and went with an unproven goalie in Crawford. Now, they have a choice between possibly losing Seabrook or giving Darling a chance to emerge as the new go to goalie. Raanta will be nothing more than a back-up goalie in the NHL. Did the Hawks see enough out of Darling to make a bold move?
 
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trixR4kids said:
I doubt it would offend anyone but I get what you're saying. And yeah that's clearly what he meant.
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Actually, it's rather obvious that he meant "black", but since that might offend some folks in this day and age, he went with the go-to PC version.
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I know what he meant. ;) I think most hockey fans aren't that PC to be offended by the term "black", but I could be wrong.

In other news, Leafs get Toronto native & Michigan grad Zach Hyman and a conditional 7th round pick from Florida for Greg McKegg:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Welcome <a href="https://twitter.com/ZachHyman">@ZachHyman</a> <a href="https://t.co/WBneDdl3Yl">https://t.co/WBneDdl3Yl</a></p>— Reid Mitchell (@ReidmitchellTO) <a href="https://twitter.com/ReidmitchellTO/status/611972380273999872">June 19, 2015</a></blockquote>
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bucky15 said:
The last part is why I think Crawford is not untouchable this offseason. They moved Niemi over Hjalmarsson in the past and went with an unproven goalie in Crawford. Now, they have a choice between possibly losing Seabrook or giving Darling a chance to emerge as the new go to goalie. Raanta will be nothing more than a back-up goalie in the NHL. Did the Hawks see enough out of Darling to make a bold move?
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Depends, does Crawford have any type of NTC?
 
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Burish is being waived to be bought out, and Scott and Hannan won't be re-signed.

Looks like Doug Wilson is coming off his yearlong acid trip.
 
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bucky15 said:
The last part is why I think Crawford is not untouchable this offseason. They moved Niemi over Hjalmarsson in the past and went with an unproven goalie in Crawford. Now, they have a choice between possibly losing Seabrook or giving Darling a chance to emerge as the new go to goalie. Raanta will be nothing more than a back-up goalie in the NHL. Did the Hawks see enough out of Darling to make a bold move?
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I wouldn't write it off - trade Crawford while his value is super-high, gamble on Darling and Raanta like they did before. However, I think Crawford is clearly a better goalie than Niemi was. The Hawks won in 2010 despite Niemi's average play. I think Crawford has played a bigger part in the 2013 and 2015 championships - perhaps it's a matter of distance/age, but I don't recall Niemi making any of the big saves Crawford had to.

bronconick said:
Burish is being waived to be bought out, and Scott and Hannan won't be re-signed.

Looks like Doug Wilson is coming off his yearlong acid trip.
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I'm guessing Scott's career may be over. If so, great run for the former worst skater in the entire NCAA, and one of the last pure fighters in the NHL. :)
 
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