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NHL 2015-16: John Scott for MVP!

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Gurtholfin said:
It seems that some want me (and Hawks fans) to feel bad or apologize. I don't and won't. I root for the team and have no control over, nor responsibility for, the players.
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I figured I missed something the first time through so I went back and reread the posts in here and see nothing of the sort. The only thing addressed to you on the topic was Scooby, rightly, calling you out when you said it was a "bad play." Nope it was a dirty play, not a bad play.

Then another fan pointed out that there were some dumb ***es on HF blaming Coyle (and there was more than one). I don't give a *** if you feel bad or apologize, but if you or another Hawk fan tries to make less of it than it is (bad play), or blame the victim, then we'll call you out on it. Just as you should for any Wild fans who defended Cooke.
 
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goldy_331 said:
I figured I missed something the first time through so I went back and reread the posts in here and see nothing of the sort. The only thing addressed to you on the topic was Scooby, rightly, calling you out when you said it was a "bad play." Nope it was a dirty play, not a bad play.

Then another fan pointed out that there were some dumb ***es on HF blaming Coyle (and there was more than one). I don't give a *** if you feel bad or apologize, but if you or another Hawk fan tries to make less of it than it is (bad play), or blame the victim, then we'll call you out on it. Just as you should for any Wild fans who defended Cooke.
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Semantics? :rolleyes: Call me out all you want.

For me, when it comes to hockey, bad play = dirty play. A cfb is a "bad play." The Badger hit on the Gopher this season... "bad play." Knee to knee... "bad play."

I don't like those plays. They're "bad" plays. When I see it in real time, I usually say "That's a bad play."

When I take the emotion out of it, I come out with "bad."

Dirty... bad... reckless...

Did I miss one?


Hockey is full of bad (dirty) plays. Most of which the casual viewer never even sees.

It's part of the game and when it crosses the line, it should be punished.


Not sure what's difficult here. I'm agreeing with you. Whether I call it bad or dirty, I come to the same conclusion - that it's unacceptable and should be punished. I said that from the start.

As far as posters, I'm conflating this thread and hfboards. My bad.

Was just Scooby.
 
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As far as some mentioning Coyle's role in this...

There's like 2 in all of those posts and they simply state that Coyle took Keith down before it happened.


You're not gonna say with a straight face that Keith just did that out of nowhere, are you?

Whether it was dirty or an over the top response, it didn't happen in a vacuum.
 
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Michael Russo ‏@Russostrib 5m5 minutes ago

The book is being thrown at #blackhawks defenseman Duncan Keith. Offered an in-person hearing usually means 6 or more games #mnwild

Michael Russo ‏@Russostrib 3m3 minutes ago

5 games left in #blackhawks' season, so this opens door to Keith missing playoff games. Costly, in-the-heat-of-the-moment mistake by Keith
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From Michael Russo's Twitter Feed.
 
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goldy_331 said:
Then another fan pointed out that there were some dumb ***es on HF blaming Coyle (and there was more than one). I don't give a *** if you feel bad or apologize, but if you or another Hawk fan tries to make less of it than it is (bad play), or blame the victim, then we'll call you out on it. Just as you should for any Wild fans who defended Cooke.
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As a follow up to this ^

Per Kerry Fraser on tsn:

"Coyle certainly deserved at least one penalty on the play that resulted in Keith’s retaliation. He brought his stick up and clipped Keith in the helmet as the two players battled for the puck against the boards. Once the puck moved elsewhere (up the wall) Keith landed hard on his back after Coyle exerted a strong upper-body push with the stick located behind Keith’s legs. Coyle was guilty of an interference violation.

Based upon the degree of force through the hard landing that Keith received, the infraction could have escalated to a major penalty (Rule 56.4). "

Full article here:

http://www.tsn.ca/c-mon-ref-plenty-to-break-down-on-keith-s-swing-1.461642


As I said. Didn't happen in a vacuum and your boy was far from innocent or a "victim."

Doesn't change that Keith should (and will) be suspended, but Minny fan can get down off that horse (where they often seem to be in these situations) anytime now.
 
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What Coyle did sounds borderline... dirty.

:D
 
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Yeah, and Vanek was cross checked in the back so hard that he had to leave the ice for an extended period. I thought he might have a broken rib. In fact, he still might. They let this **** go all the time. And the result of that is then, every once in a while, you get a ********* move like what Keith did. I'd love for the ********s in the NHL to clean up the other bull**** but that ain't going to happen. And what Coyle did wasn't dirty, it was "a hockey play" which I hear over and over again from ********s in the "let them play" camp.

What Keith did wasn't anywhere near a hockey play but it will be explained by many as one.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Yeah, and Vanek was cross checked in the back so hard that he had to leave the ice for an extended period. I thought he might have a broken rib. In fact, he still might. They let this **** go all the time. And the result of that is then, every once in a while, you get a ********* move like what Keith did. I'd love for the ********s in the NHL to clean up the other bull**** but that ain't going to happen. And what Coyle did wasn't dirty, it was "a hockey play" which I hear over and over again from ********s in the "let them play" camp.

What Keith did wasn't anywhere near a hockey play but it will be explained by many as one.
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No. Wasn't a hockey play. It was a cheap shot retaliation.

What Coyle did wasn't a hockey play either. It was a slew foot using his stick instead of his foot.


You should know that I agree with you on these things, but the hyperbole is over the top, don't you think?

I mean, guys get destroyed with cross checks in front of the net multiple times every game. That's hardly unique to Vanek and I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that the Wild give as many of those as they get.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
No. Wasn't a hockey play. It was a cheap shot retaliation.

What Coyle did wasn't a hockey play either. It was a slew foot using his stick instead of his foot.


You should know that I agree with you on these things, but the hyperbole is over the top, don't you think?

I mean, guys get destroyed with cross checks in front of the net multiple times every game. That's hardly unique to Vanek and I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that the Wild give as many of those as they get.
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I see what Coyle did every game. I don't see what happened to Ballard every game and I don't see what Keith did happen every game. That's the difference. I know what happens every game and what doesn't.

Keith took his stick and wacked someone's face with it. What part of that aren't we getting around here?
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I see what Coyle did every game. I don't see what happened to Ballard every game and I don't see what Keith did happen every game. That's the difference. I know what happens every game and what doesn't.

Keith took his stick and wacked someone's face with it. What part of that aren't we getting around here?
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You see slew foots every game? I promise you that you don't or there'd be a LOT more mayhem going on than what does go on.

I've had that happen to me and it sucks. It's not even close to the same league as a cross check.

Keith is a professional hockey player. He doesn't go down on his back that hard from an essentially stationary position without something questionable happening.


I'm responding to you and Goldy calling a couple Hawks fans out for saying that Coyle did something first. I don't see them saying (nor am I) that Keith should be let off because of this, only that it explains why he was upset.

Again. Let me spell this out...

Just because he had a reason to be upset doesn't excuse his actions in retaliation. It just sheds light on motivation. He's still gotta keep his cool.



What that I'm not getting would you like me to get?
 
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Gurtholfin said:
You see slew foots every game? I promise you that you don't or there'd be a LOT more mayhem going on than what does go on.

I've had that happen to me and it sucks. It's not even close to the same league a a cross check.
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Do I see them go that far? No. Do I see players sticking their ****ing stick between someone's legs and then pushing them? Every ****ing game.

I don't see what Keith did every game.

The amount of garbage ****ing semantics hockey people go through make me sick. Kerry Fraser trying to come up with an explanation is BS. How many times have we heard the Bertuzzi explanation?

There is no excuse for what Keith did. And trying to come up with some reason for Keith's over reaction is ridiculous.
 
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Um... Fraser said:

"Given the deliberate act and the violence of the stick swing up and into the face of Coyle, the only consideration for the Department of Player Safety to ponder is, how many games do they suspend the Chicago player?"

At no time does he excuse Keith's actions.


So... Last try...


If I beat my dog coz he shat on my floor, it explains why I was mad at my dog.

The fact that I was mad at my dog doesn't absolve me of my actions should animal cruelty charges be brought against me.


This really isn't that difficult.
 
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Is it slew foots or slew feet? :confused:


Not that it was an actual slew foot, just the same net result.


Probably slew foot infractions.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
Um... Fraser said:

"Given the deliberate act and the violence of the stick swing up and into the face of Coyle, the only consideration for the Department of Player Safety to ponder is, how many games do they suspend the Chicago player?"

At no time does he excuse Keith's actions.


So... Last try...


If I beat my dog coz he shat on my floor, it explains why I was mad at my dog.

The fact that I was mad at my dog doesn't absolve me of my actions should animal cruelty charges be brought against me.


This really isn't that difficult.
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It offers a justification which I find offensive.
 
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Is it too late to call?

<img src="http://thehayride.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Waaahmbulance_resized-680x365.jpg"></img>
 
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I admit I missed the Coyle stick behind the legs until Gurt pointed it out. When I watched it the first time I thought he just pushed Keith over when Keith was off balance. Yeah, that's the equal of a slew foot and a **** play. (or in Gurt's world, a "bad" play :p) Coyle deserved a penalty at a minimum and I am more understanding of the retaliation by Keith.
 
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goldy_331 said:
I admit I missed the Coyle stick behind the legs until Gurt pointed it out. When I watched it the first time I thought he just pushed Keith over when Keith was off balance. Yeah, that's the equal of a slew foot and a **** play. (or in Gurt's world, a "bad" play :p) Coyle deserved a penalty at a minimum and I am more understanding of the retaliation by Keith.
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I haven't focused on it personally coz it changes nothing of the fact that Keith simply can't do that. Not just coz it's bush and could have seriously injured, but also because it hurt the team in the game last night and will over the next stretch. It was in a word... stupid.


On another note, I went back and looked at my response to the Wittchow hit and I also called that a "bad" play. :p:D
 
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