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NHL 2012: The Chase for the Cup

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People under rate them because their offense is so weak. Were they one of the bottom scoring teams in the NHL this year?

Their offense was weak. It improved once they got Carter. Also last time I checked all you had to do was score one more goal than the other team and if the Kings win every game 3-2 or 2-1 because their goaltender is so good and will put them in that position most nights, that'll be better than winning 7-1 one night and losing 6-5 the next.
 
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The Kings are a woefully underrated team. Since the Carter trade, they've dominated puck possession at a rate no one has matched for a full season since the lockout. They've just been in the bottom 5 in shooting percentage 3 of the last four years. Throw in one of the Sedin's out and this isn't shocking.

“I’m not interested in making the playoffs unless it is a part of a championship. It seems a mile away. That is the goal. Not to get in in the eighth spot, get your *** kicked and stand up here and say: ‘Yeah, but we were in the playoffs.’ I’m tying to build a championship team.:mad: :mad:

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Shanny was on WFAN a little bit ago. He said if Alfie plays tonight he'll consider reducing Hagelin's suspension.

What a joke of a league.

This is ridiculous. The amount of time a player potentially misses should have no bearing on the length of suspension.

Maybe Shanny taken too many shots to the head?
 
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I heard the board of governors (or NHL top brass or maybe even the NHLPA, I can't remember the details) sat Shanahan down around November and said "hey, we appreciate the gusto of suspensions in trying to clean up the game... But knock it off.
 
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This is ridiculous. The amount of time a player potentially misses should have no bearing on the length of suspension.

Maybe Shanny taken too many shots to the head?

I agree and I'd actually take it a bit further.

I hate the notion that whether a player gets back up or not can influence whether a penalty is a 2 or a 5. The severity of the penalty should be 100% based upon the infraction, not the result of the infraction. The hit on Smith (Phoenix goalie) the other night is a prime example. Definitely a 2, but becomes a 5 because Smith lays on the ice for a while. Shea Weber also - because the cheap shot didn't result in an injury it's okay? I thought the goal was to change behavior?

I had an incident in a youth game this past season (I was a bantam HC) where an opposing player followed my defenseman (not my son) into the end boards and checked him from behind, charged him, prison raped him. This was by far the worst cfb I've seen in youth hockey and I've seen a few nasty ones. The opposing player followed my player at full speed, made no attempt on the puck and extended his arms to launch my player into the end boards - all from behind.

As I was walking out to see if my player was alive, I said to the ref, "That's a 5, right?" Now I'm honestly not one to ride the officials (believe me, or not). I don't get worked up over missed offsides or a bad tripping call here or there. I typically only get worked up when safety is at issue.

Anyway, at that moment, my player got up and made his way to the bench. The ref went over to the box and made his call and then came over to talk to me. As the 2:00 showed up on the scoreboard, I said "You've gotta be ****ing kidding me."

He explained that because my player "popped right up," that the penalty was only a 2. I said, "That can't be the criteria for a major. Are you saying that because my player isn't paralyzed or dead that it's a minor? What a ****ing joke."

He said that was the call, it's what he has been instructed to do in that situation and I could have a penalty if I wanted to keep swearing at him. I said, go ahead. He did.

{EDIT: Whether a coach yells at the ref can't influence a call when safety is at issue either. So before any of you try to blame this on me: 1) I hadn't said anything to him before this, 2) I didn't swear at him till after he had made the call & 3) I'd do it again - can't stand incompetent officials when they aren't protecting players.}

My player told me that he got right up coz he didn't want to be a p-u-s-s-y (his word) or let the other kid know that he had hurt him - even though he was in pain. So, had my player laid there pretending to be injured, we could have gotten a 5 and probably had the kid kicked out.

Another example happened last year when one of my players cleanly checked another player and the kid got hurt. No penalty was called on the check, but the kid broke his leg and had to be taken off on a stretcher. The refs retro-actively assessed a 5 minute and game DQ because the kid got hurt - on a clean play. Talk about confusing a player. "Yes, what you did was within the rules and what you were coached to do, but because a freak accident occurred, you're out and you can sit out the next game too."

Is that what we want for the criteria? You think there aren't coaches who will milk that and try to get other teams' best players kicked out of games? See the example of the little league coach who paid one of his players $25 to throw balls at the autistic kid on his own team for an example of how depraved youth coaches can be.

Anyway, rant over. It's just that there seems to be the same mentality at the NHL level.
 
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This is ridiculous. The amount of time a player potentially misses should have no bearing on the length of suspension.

Maybe Shanny taken too many shots to the head?

I find it incredibly ironic that our league's top disciplinary advisor holds the all-time record for Gordie Howe hat tricks.
 
I agree and I'd actually take it a bit further.

I hate the notion that whether a player gets back up or not can influence whether a penalty is a 2 or a 5. The severity of the penalty should be 100% based upon the infraction, not the result of the infraction. The hit on Smith (Phoenix goalie) the other night is a prime example. Definitely a 2, but becomes a 5 because Smith lays on the ice for a while. Shea Weber also - because the cheap shot didn't result in an injury it's okay? I thought the goal was to change behavior?

I had an incident in a youth game this past season (I was a bantam HC) where an opposing player followed my defenseman (not my son) into the end boards and checked him from behind, charged him, prison raped him. This was by far the worst cfb I've seen in youth hockey and I've seen a few nasty ones. The opposing player followed my player at full speed, made no attempt on the puck and extended his arms to launch my player into the end boards - all from behind.

As I was walking out to see if my player was alive, I said to the ref, "That's a 5, right?" Now I'm honestly not one to ride the officials (believe me, or not). I don't get worked up over missed offsides or a bad tripping call here or there. I typically only get worked up when safety is at issue.

Anyway, at that moment, my player got up and made his way to the bench. The ref went over to the box and made his call and then came over to talk to me. As the 2:00 showed up on the scoreboard, I said "You've gotta be ****ing kidding me."

He explained that because my player "popped right up," that the penalty was only a 2. I said, "That can't be the criteria for a major. Are you saying that because my player isn't paralyzed or dead that it's a minor? What a ****ing joke."

He said that was the call, it's what he has been instructed to do in that situation and I could have a penalty if I wanted to keep swearing at him. I said, go ahead. He did.

{EDIT: Whether a coach yells at the ref can't influence a call when safety is at issue either. So before any of you try to blame this on me: 1) I hadn't said anything to him before this, 2) I didn't swear at him till after he had made the call & 3) I'd do it again - can't stand incompetent officials when they aren't protecting players.}

My player told me that he got right up coz he didn't want to be a p-u-s-s-y (his word) or let the other kid know that he had hurt him - even though he was in pain. So, had my player laid there pretending to be injured, we could have gotten a 5 and probably had the kid kicked out.

Another example happened last year when one of my players cleanly checked another player and the kid got hurt. No penalty was called on the check, but the kid broke his leg and had to be taken off on a stretcher. The refs retro-actively assessed a 5 minute and game DQ because the kid got hurt - on a clean play. Talk about confusing a player. "Yes, what you did was within the rules and what you were coached to do, but because a freak accident occurred, you're out and you can sit out the next game too."

Is that what we want for the criteria? You think there aren't coaches who will milk that and try to get other teams' best players kicked out of games? See the example of the little league coach who paid one of his players $25 to throw balls at the autistic kid on his own team for an example of how depraved youth coaches can be.

Anyway, rant over. It's just that there seems to be the same mentality at the NHL level.

What state do you coach in?

As an official of 9 years, when a player is hit from behind resulting in a head first into the boards, it is automatically five and a game. By rule.

In Minnesota this year, we adopted our high school rules and now every checking from behind is at minimum 5.
 
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The severity of the penalty should be 100% based upon the infraction, not the result of the infraction.

This. If players start milking injuries to get the other guy tossed, it's going to ruin the game. Even if the player's fine, if the hit was bad it should receive the appropriate penalty time. On the flip side, players like your defenseman (or the kid who broke his leg) need to be able to stay down if they're injured without fear of extra repercussion on the opposing player if it was a clean hit. Heck, Jack Jablonski broke his neck on a clean hit that just went wrong. I've disagreed all along with Shanahan taking the injury of the player into account, and now it's just getting silly.

If they're going to go the other way and match punishment to injury, they might as well take the suggestion of some fans and introduce a rule suspending a player for as long as the guy he hit is out. That would be ridiculous, but if you're basing fine/suspension on injury it's about all that makes sense.
 
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What state do you coach in?

As an official of 9 years, when a player is hit from behind resulting in a head first into the boards, it is automatically five and a game. By rule.

In Minnesota this year, we adopted our high school rules and now every checking from behind is at minimum 5.

I'm in Wisconsin and I gotta say that I'm not sure that he was real confident in his explanation. That said, it seems that I'm hearing more and more of a correlation between injury or lack of and punishment.

I like the rule that you guys are enforcing in Minnesota now. This should be standard across all hockey. The one thing that frightens me as a hockey parent is checking from behind. So much can change in a split second.
 
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What state do you coach in?

As an official of 9 years, when a player is hit from behind resulting in a head first into the boards, it is automatically five and a game. By rule.

In Minnesota this year, we adopted our high school rules and now every checking from behind is at minimum 5.
That seems to be standard in CCHA officiating as well.


The inconsistency of officiating at the NHL and AHL level is awful. Especially at the AHL level. Watch two boarding plays happen Saturday and Sunday. Two different refs, two different ways of handling the penalty.
 
I'm in Wisconsin and I gotta say that I'm not sure that he was real confident in his explanation. That said, it seems that I'm hearing more and more of a correlation between injury or lack of and punishment.

I like the rule that you guys are enforcing in Minnesota now. This should be standard across all hockey. The one thing that frightens me as a hockey parent is checking from behind. So much can change in a split second.
I agree. Five minute along with a ten minute misconduct is an even better way to help reduce(eliminate) checking from behind. FWIW, Your official got that call completely wrong, by the way I read it.

As an official there are certain times where injury plays a factor in a call, BY RULE. It's tough, especially for some officials, to understand when to enforce these rules and which ones are exactly written for interpretation the way they think they're calling them. Which sucks, but is te sad reality at many youth levels.
 
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Alfie has a concussion, skated this AM, game time decision. Neal will have TWO hearings for his hits on Couturier and Giroux, Asham right after (10am and 11am tomorrow, respectively). We'll have to see what the wheel of justice brings for last nights antics.
 
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Definitely classless, but that doesn't make it not also funny.

It was hilarious.

And "class" has very little place on a hockey rink. Sportsmanship/respect? Sure. Otherwise, we're talking about a bunch of guys who don't shave for two months, swear like pirates, and do all sorts of little pokes and prods at each other to gain a slight advantage. They're not breaking out the fine brandy while discussing the sport of kings on the bench.
 
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Sure, it was funny. But he also turned it into a complete **** show right after, as more fighting continued. The fact I hate Crosby probably makes me think it's even more classless.:p
 
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