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NFL Thread 4: The Road to Miami

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Slap Shot said:
I clearly understand your argument, I'm saying you're full of it. You can't spin that to be more efficient, especially if you toss TOP into the mix. There was nothing inefficient with the Vikings O this season, they simply imploded in the biggest game of the year. If you want to argue just barely better, just as good I'll buy it- but there's nothing you can say that indicates a clear efficiency advantage for IND.
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Not sure what your definition of efficiency is, but here's how I think about it:

There are 3 minutes left, you're down by 4 and you've just gotten the ball at your own 20. Which offense would you rather have: Indy's or Minny's? If you put that question to the NFL head coaches, I bet you'd get very few takers for Minny. They may have a higher up-side and flashier stats, but when the game is on the line and I absolutely have to have points now, give me Indy every day and twice on Superbowl Sunday.
 
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LynahFan said:
Not sure what your definition of efficiency is, but here's how I think about it:

There are 3 minutes left, you're down by 4 and you've just gotten the ball at your own 20. Which offense would you rather have: Indy's or Minny's? If you put that question to the NFL head coaches, I bet you'd get very few takers for Minny.
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This originally started by someone saying MN wouldn't have had a chance against IND and that the difference in offense was given as the reason.

Winning football games just as often (if not more) comes down to the first 55 minutes and not the last 5. When it comes to offensive efficiency what else should you look to but to T.O.P., 3rd down conversions, protecting the quarterback, turnovers and the end objective - points scored and wins?

However if I must, two minute drills/come from behind victories have just as much to do with performance under pressure as arbitrary definitions of efficiency. Now, coupling MN's offensive prowess this year with the fact Favre is just as well known for come from behind victories as Manning (including the stunner this year against SF), how is it a slam dunk argument this year in favor or IND? It seems as though the legend of Manning and IND has far more to do with this than the reality of what transpired this season.

It's no big deal either way - discussing this isn't going to get MN into the SB, but I don't comprehend saying the IND offense this year was unqeustionably better (whatever criteria you want to use) than that of MN and that given how much better MN's defense is than IND why they wouldn't have had a great shot in the SB if they had got there. :)
 
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Slap Shot said:
Now, coupling MN's offensive prowess this year with the fact Favre is just as well known for come from behind victories as Manning (including the stunner this year against SF), how is it a slam dunk argument this year in favor or IND? It seems as though the legend of Manning and IND has far more to do with this than the reality of what transpired this season.
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Who is better known for come from ahead defeats?:p
 
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Slap Shot said:
None of which discredits their efficiency prior to yesterday. :)
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See though, by this line of thinking, the only thing keeping the Vikings from having a Super Bowl win or two is, in fact, a super power or extreme bad luck. In the 15-1 season there was no rhyme nor reason why they couldn't roll over the Falcons and then duke it out with Denver in the Super Bowl... except for the darn kicker. Throwing the ball on the ground a bunch of times boned them over yesterday.

So as long as we're calling in mythical help to discount facts, that would then make the Vikings the least clutch team in NFL history, right?
 
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See though, by this line of thinking, the only thing keeping the Vikings from having a Super Bowl win or two is, in fact, a super power or extreme bad luck.
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That's not really related to anything that I said. Someone said the Vikings wouldn't have a chance against IND, I simply said I disagreed. They didn't lose yesterday because of divine intervention, they lost because they made monumental blunders. :) :(
 
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Was going to put this in the Vikings thread, but it got closed.

Found this tidbit in the 1/26 Detroit Freep:

"Pickin' on us

So what the heck is it with Vikings radio announcer Paul Allen bringing up Detroit in the nanoseconds after Brett Favre's big interception Sunday? Assuming you weren't tuned in, here's how it went:

• Announcer Pete Bercich: "I can't believe what I'm seeing right now. ... You've got to be kidding me."

• Allen (growling): "But why do you even ponder passing? I mean, you can take a knee and try a 56-yard field goal! This is not Detroit, man, this is the Super Bowl!"

Hey, man, what did we do to deserve that? Far be it for us to find joy in other people's sorrows ... but Allen made it a little bit easier to do."

:D
 
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I thought the funniest thing I heard was that Barrerio confirmed that the 12th man in the huddle that caused the 5 yard penalty right before the Favre INT was indeed Hershel Walker. :p
 
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streaker said:
Was going to put this in the Vikings thread, but it got closed.

Found this tidbit in the 1/26 Detroit Freep:

"Pickin' on us

So what the heck is it with Vikings radio announcer Paul Allen bringing up Detroit in the nanoseconds after Brett Favre's big interception Sunday? Assuming you weren't tuned in, here's how it went:

• Announcer Pete Bercich: "I can't believe what I'm seeing right now. ... You've got to be kidding me."

• Allen (growling): "But why do you even ponder passing? I mean, you can take a knee and try a 56-yard field goal! This is not Detroit, man, this is the Super Bowl!"

Hey, man, what did we do to deserve that? Far be it for us to find joy in other people's sorrows ... but Allen made it a little bit easier to do."

:D
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Here's the actual radio call: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/images/01/25/FavreINT.mp3
 
Re: NFL Thread 4: The Road to Miami

Slap Shot said:
This originally started by someone saying MN wouldn't have had a chance against IND and that the difference in offense was given as the reason.
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I couldn't find that. I found a discussion of how well IND and MN matched up against the Saints.

"Vikings D is better - NO won't be as contained in the SB"
"maybe, but IND has better offense"
"No they don't, MN is 2nd in this, first in that, etc"
"not about stats, it's about efficiency"
etc.

Nothing at all about a H2H matchup between IND and MN - all about whether IND will really be able to crush NO (like the betting seems to indicate), simply using how MN did against NO as a point of reference.
 
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