NFL 2023-24. Now without Dan Snyder!

[RaceBoarder]

You're right. Expecting a ref to remember a number for .5 seconds is a high bar. My bad. And it isn't like the NFL is just covering for their incompetence since they sent out that press release admitting the mistake....oh ****, they didn't do that either. And surely the NFL hasn't made screwing the Lions into a Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aoJlztc_YA cottage industry. Oops again. Clearly the NFL has the highest standard and wouldn't assign a bad officiating crew to such a high profile game, I mean it would be shocking if this same crew has made a bunch of other high profile errors and STILL was assigned to this game. Wait, you mean there is at least 2 other times this season they've decided the game with either no calls, or bad calls? It almost feels like the NFL wanted this to happen.

"The Ball hit the receivers hands. He dropped it. He shouldn't be on the field after that play and should be cut before they leave the locker room post game."

Is that your stance for a dropped pass? What about multiple dropped passes in a year?

 

[MichVandal]

Once again, the refs make a mistake. People call for their heads. Perfection is the only acceptable outcome for them.

The NFL hit the crew with bad grades that absolutely hurt their overall grades and possible playoff assignments. What more do you want? A public whipping?

If it wasn't so obvious, it would not be such an issue. And I would actually put the tripping call into missing what you are seeing- what the ref saw was a leg out and then Hutch going down. What he didn't see was that it was Hutch sticking his foot out that caused him to fall. Bad call, no doubt, but it at least has some real human error built into it.

The reporting thing- there was literally nothing else going on than the prep for the next play. So it should have been pretty easy to see that a player was talking to him AND rubbing his jersey, and the player who he *thought* was reporting did nothing of that. The whole thing of 70 reporting the entire game for no reason was intentional and set up this specific play. And the refs knew this was a high likelihood since they were told about it before the game.

And the missed obvious calls of PI earlier in the season?

Call and make the obvious. And be consistent. Be prepared. Teams spend a lot of time to play for the games, and even go out of their way to make sure the refs can be, too. Don't throw that away because of an assumption.

Lastly- admit when you failed. The NFL is blaming Detroit and their players because they could not pay attention and see that "this was the situation Dan told me about" so they make a mistake. It's one thing to make a mistake, it's another to not admit it, and even worse to blame the players who did everything right.

 

[Bronco]

"The Ball hit the receivers hands. He dropped it. He shouldn't be on the field after that play and should be cut before they leave the locker room post game."

Is that your stance for a dropped pass? What about multiple dropped passes in a year?

If the Ref makes multiple egregious errors in the same season, perhaps put that guy on the Bears-Cards game (like they did to the Lions when we were garbage), and not put him on the game that could decide home field advantage throughout the NFC playoffs. Unless the NFL really needs the extra revenue from the Cowboys hosting them, then sure, get that ref crew in there.

 

[RaceBoarder]

If it wasn't so obvious, it would not be such an issue. And I would actually put the tripping call into missing what you are seeing- what the ref saw was a leg out and then Hutch going down. What he didn't see was that it was Hutch sticking his foot out that caused him to fall. Bad call, no doubt, but it at least has some real human error built into it.

The reporting thing- there was literally nothing else going on than the prep for the next play. So it should have been pretty easy to see that a player was talking to him AND rubbing his jersey, and the player who he *thought* was reporting did nothing of that. The whole thing of 70 reporting the entire game for no reason was intentional and set up this specific play. And the refs knew this was a high likelihood since they were told about it before the game.

And the missed obvious calls of PI earlier in the season?

Call and make the obvious. And be consistent. Be prepared. Teams spend a lot of time to play for the games, and even go out of their way to make sure the refs can be, too. Don't throw that away because of an assumption.

Lastly- admit when you failed. The NFL is blaming Detroit and their players because they could not pay attention and see that "this was the situation Dan told me about" so they make a mistake. It's one thing to make a mistake, it's another to not admit it, and even worse to blame the players who did everything right.

So Detroit didn't make the problem worse by sending three players to talk to the ref when only two were going actually report?

They got cute with trying to deceive Dallas and confused the officials in doing so.

The refs screwed up. The crew has been dinged per the evaluation process that is in place. What more do you want?

Again, this is a mistake that is on par with a wide open receiver dropping a pass that hit them in the numbers. At the NFL level it SHOULDN'T happen, but it does. Humans will be human. That's life.

Just acknowledge that perfection is NEVER gonna happen with officiating so stop crying about it.

 

[RaceBoarder]

If the Ref makes multiple egregious errors in the same season, perhaps put that guy on the Bears-Cards game (like they did to the Lions when we were garbage), and not put him on the game that could decide home field advantage throughout the NFC playoffs. Unless the NFL really needs the extra revenue from the Cowboys hosting them, then sure, get that ref crew in there.

So you want to actively start playing "Head Games" with your officiating crews? Have massive swings in confidence acknowledgment mid-season?

If you spent any time in the officiating world, you would realize that you just hinted at something that flat out destroys officials. Again, it's like putting a player on the practice squad for dropping a pass.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

So you want to actively start playing "Head Games" with your officiating crews? Have massive swings in confidence acknowledgment mid-season?

If you spent any time in the officiating world, you would realize that you just hinted at something that flat out destroys officials. Again, it's like putting a player on the practice squad for dropping a pass.

I mean, it’s not unheard of. Miss something egregious like losing/giving an extra down or letting them play with 12 for a play will usually cost part or all of a crew a game in college.

 

[RaceBoarder]

I mean, it’s not unheard of. Miss something egregious like losing/giving an extra down or letting them play with 12 for a play will usually cost part or all of a crew a game in college.

The issue is that you have approximately 60 FBS crews with an additional 10-12 "capable" crews at the FCS level. So you have crews that can step up and fill-in. At the NFL level, you can't do that.

And again, you shoot the confidence of that crew. You see what happens on the golf course when a player is having "head issues". So you want to introduce that into officiating crews? The odds of a lesson being learned are the same as it cracking their confidence and having things snowball.

The crew knows they effed up. They know it cost them post-season assignments. They will learn from this. What more do you want outside of a public flogging? Again, do you cut a player who drops a pass on the spot?

 

[MichVandal]

So Detroit didn't make the problem worse by sending three players to talk to the ref when only two were going actually report?

They got cute with trying to deceive Dallas and confused the officials in doing so.

The refs screwed up. The crew has been dinged per the evaluation process that is in place. What more do you want?

Again, this is a mistake that is on par with a wide open receiver dropping a pass that hit them in the numbers. At the NFL level it SHOULDN'T happen, but it does. Humans will be human. That's life.

Just acknowledge that perfection is NEVER gonna happen with officiating so stop crying about it.

Irrelevant. The refs job is to actually witness a player rub his jersey. Red herring.

It would be nice if the NFL actually directly admitted they have a ref problem. Instead they chickenshit downgrade the refs. Admit it so that you can improve your product.

The if the player blames the QB for not catching it, they will have a tough time getting back into the game. If they tell the coach they made a mistake, give me another chance- done. Send it at him.

Is that not obvious?

Nobody is actually asking or demanding for perfection. They are asking to stop missing obvious plays- which this ref team have consistently done. Apparently they can't admit they are making a mistake and can't bother to improve themselves.

And who is crying? I see people pointing out your fallacy in the "argument". Am I not allowed to be angry? Or do you interpret anger as crying?

 

[MichVandal]

The issue is that you have approximately 60 FBS crews with an additional 10-12 "capable" crews at the FCS level. So you have crews that can step up and fill-in. At the NFL level, you can't do that.

And again, you shoot the confidence of that crew. You see what happens on the golf course when a player is having "head issues". So you want to introduce that into officiating crews? The odds of a lesson being learned are the same as it cracking their confidence and having things snowball.

The crew knows they effed up. They know it cost them post-season assignments. They will learn from this. What more do you want outside of a public flogging? Again, do you cut a player who drops a pass on the spot?

You know what fixes the confidence of the crew? Point out their mistakes and help them eliminate them in the future. You know, just like coaches do when players drop easy passes. This is where just downgrading the crew does nothing. Help them. Coach them. But the best the NFL can do is just downgrade them and not actually talk about mistakes.

 

[Bronco]

You know what fixes the confidence of the crew? Point out their mistakes and help them eliminate them in the future. You know, just like coaches do when players drop easy passes. This is where just downgrading the crew does nothing. Help them. Coach them. But the best the NFL can do is just downgrade them and not actually talk about mistakes.

They don't even want to make them full time employees. It is easier to bribe them when you can just hire their law office via multiple corporate entities. Not that the NFL owners would ever do anything unsavory like that. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39218610/panthers-owner-david-tepper-appears-toss-drink-fans

 

[Spartanforlife4]

The issue is that you have approximately 60 FBS crews with an additional 10-12 "capable" crews at the FCS level. So you have crews that can step up and fill-in. At the NFL level, you can't do that.

And again, you shoot the confidence of that crew. You see what happens on the golf course when a player is having "head issues". So you want to introduce that into officiating crews? The odds of a lesson being learned are the same as it cracking their confidence and having things snowball.

The crew knows they effed up. They know it cost them post-season assignments. They will learn from this. What more do you want outside of a public flogging? Again, do you cut a player who drops a pass on the spot?

I’m just saying it happens, not that it should happen to this crew. Heck, to me, it looks like Skipper does make the “numbers” motion as he runs on the field so I can even see how they thought he was reporting, especially if he had been all game.

 

[RaceBoarder]

You know what fixes the confidence of the crew? Point out their mistakes and help them eliminate them in the future. You know, just like coaches do when players drop easy passes. This is where just downgrading the crew does nothing. Help them. Coach them. But the best the NFL can do is just downgrade them and not actually talk about mistakes.

What do you think a downgrade is? The fact that you think it is just a light tap on the wrist while someone says "Bad! No!" shows that you really have no clue how officiating actually works.

The downgrade IS the coaching that you want them to have. I guarantee that there was a very deep ZOOM call with the crew and the NFL's officiating staff breaking down the video of the incident and looking at how things broke down in the interpretation of the situation here. The crew will have time to make statements as to what their exact mindset was. What factors in the game were driving their thought process. What exactly the crew was feeling in that exact moment and how that could have factored into the decisions made. And from that they will be coached on what the problematic factors were and how they can change things to prevent them in the future.

The downgrade IS the deep dive analysis that you want done. It is basically a frame by frame breakdown of what transpired in that game. The ignorance here shows that you truly are biased against officials and want to jump on them at any opportunity that fits your narrative. You want their blood to make up for your team letting you down. You're taking the frustration your team gifted you out on them.

 

[MichVandal]

What do you think a downgrade is? The fact that you think it is just a light tap on the wrist while someone says "Bad! No!" shows that you really have no clue how officiating actually works.

The downgrade IS the coaching that you want them to have. I guarantee that there was a very deep ZOOM call with the crew and the NFL's officiating staff breaking down the video of the incident and looking at how things broke down in the interpretation of the situation here. The crew will have time to make statements as to what their exact mindset was. What factors in the game were driving their thought process. What exactly the crew was feeling in that exact moment and how that could have factored into the decisions made. And from that they will be coached on what the problematic factors were and how they can change things to prevent them in the future.

The downgrade IS the deep dive analysis that you want done. It is basically a frame by frame breakdown of what transpired in that game. The ignorance here shows that you truly are biased against officials and want to jump on them at any opportunity that fits your narrative. You want their blood to make up for your team letting you down. You're taking the frustration your team gifted you out on them.

Are you serious? No it's not. It's hardly accountability for the NFL, it's a chickenshit reaction to people being angry. They have blamed Detroit and the players for the bad call, and have not changed anything realistically. They are being downgraded because of the tripping bad call, not the gaffe that was far more obvious.

And IF they were actually coaching the refs, then why are bad calls so chronic for this team?

As for biased against the officials- excellent observation. Who isn't? The bad calls make it tough to watch the games. Some of them work out for the team's I'm rooting for, some they don't, but they really make it hard to watch when calls are being missed that bad. Bang-bang plays where the view is hard- sure, I get that. When you see the defensive back climb all over a receiver way before the ball gets there? No.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

"The Ball hit the receivers hands. He dropped it. He shouldn't be on the field after that play and should be cut before they leave the locker room post game."

Is that your stance for a dropped pass? What about multiple dropped passes in a year?

Have you met NY sports fans?

 

[Scarlet]

I’m sure I’ve missed some story or stories over the year but why is the Pats-Jets game on FOX? It’s an all-AFC matchup. I thought CBS has the AFC and FOX has the NFC.

 

[French Rage]

I’m sure I’ve missed some story or stories over the year but why is the Pats-Jets game on FOX? It’s an all-AFC matchup. I thought CBS has the AFC and FOX has the NFC.

Yeah they seem to swap them up sometimes for some reason.

 

[bronconick]

LaPorta might've jacked up his knee.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

I’m sure I’ve missed some story or stories over the year but why is the Pats-Jets game on FOX? It’s an all-AFC matchup. I thought CBS has the AFC and FOX has the NFC.

It's a bit different than it used to be. The playoffs will largely be what you expect (FOX carrying NFC and CBS carrying AFC -- with NBC and ABC/ESPN factoring in somehow with the first day of games) but supposedly in the regular season there is now a lot more flexibility.

 

[Proud2baLaker]

For the first time in 88 years, a division has every team end the season with a winning record (AFC North). There have been times where every team was at least .500 but not all above .500. The last time was 1935

 

[rufus]

It's a bit different than it used to be. The playoffs will largely be what you expect (FOX carrying NFC and CBS carrying AFC -- with NBC and ABC/ESPN factoring in somehow with the first day of games) but supposedly in the regular season there is now a lot more flexibility.

I'm assuming so, because the last couple weeks, when they talk about the upcoming 4:00 games, they throw up a graphic showing both the Fox and CBS lineup.