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NFL 2019: Superb Owl and Offseason
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ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: NFL 2019: Superb Owl and Offseason
I'm referring more to how he game plans. He either works harder than everyone else or everyone else thinks that they're so smart they don't have to change. I've seen no other coach like him who will change everything his team does based on what the other team does.
I'm referring more to how he game plans. He either works harder than everyone else or everyone else thinks that they're so smart they don't have to change. I've seen no other coach like him who will change everything his team does based on what the other team does.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: NFL 2019: Superb Owl and Offseason
I think it's like Saban. In a world of 24/7/365 workaholics he's somehow even more ridiculously intense.
But it's even more impressive than Saban because the Patriots have a salary cap.
I think it's like Saban. In a world of 24/7/365 workaholics he's somehow even more ridiculously intense.
But it's even more impressive than Saban because the Patriots have a salary cap.
Re: NFL 2019: Superb Owl and Offseason
It's hard to argue that NE is the most talented team. IMHO, they are very far from the most talented team. The haven't had a real high draft pick in 20 years, and they constantly take cast of players from other teams and make the work. And that includes people who are supposed to be superstars but under perform AND relative nobodies.
Even more impressive, he can work the team enough to actually generate trust in the players. Not that the players trust the coaches, but that the coaches TRUST the players so much that they can re-vamp huge parts of the game in two weeks, and it works like a charm. Remember, one of the key players was knocked out of the game early, but did anyone notice a real change in how the defense ran? Other than one play where a receiver was wide open in the end zone, but there was enough time to make up for it- the Pats played directly into making Goff see what they wanted him to see- not what was actually there.
In a world where the individual rules so much, it's pretty amazing that the coaches trust those players that much.
And lets not fool ourselves- the only common denominator here is Bill. All of his assistants that have moved on have hardly succeeded- most are just below average.
It's hard to argue that NE is the most talented team. IMHO, they are very far from the most talented team. The haven't had a real high draft pick in 20 years, and they constantly take cast of players from other teams and make the work. And that includes people who are supposed to be superstars but under perform AND relative nobodies.
Even more impressive, he can work the team enough to actually generate trust in the players. Not that the players trust the coaches, but that the coaches TRUST the players so much that they can re-vamp huge parts of the game in two weeks, and it works like a charm. Remember, one of the key players was knocked out of the game early, but did anyone notice a real change in how the defense ran? Other than one play where a receiver was wide open in the end zone, but there was enough time to make up for it- the Pats played directly into making Goff see what they wanted him to see- not what was actually there.
In a world where the individual rules so much, it's pretty amazing that the coaches trust those players that much.
And lets not fool ourselves- the only common denominator here is Bill. All of his assistants that have moved on have hardly succeeded- most are just below average.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: NFL 2019: Superb Owl and Offseason
And Brady. As loathsome as he is, the results don't lie.
And Brady. As loathsome as he is, the results don't lie.
SonofSouthie
Misanthrope
Re: NFL 2019: Superb Owl and Offseason
https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...mcvay-super-bowl-liii/?utm_term=.debccffc8cf5
Great article on how Belichick gamed the Rams.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...mcvay-super-bowl-liii/?utm_term=.debccffc8cf5
Re: NFL 2019: Superb Owl and Offseason
I sorta get the conundrum a guy like McVay has. If you've been wildly successful all year, as they had been on O, you're going to stick with what's worked until you're forced to switch gears. The problem is for both the Rams and the Chiefs by the time you consider doing something different (which Reid did but McVay didn't) the first half is already over and you're most likely already losing which limits your options.
The other thing Belichick does, which I haven't seen any other coach do, is go with a completely different game plan than anybody has seen to start the game off. That takes balls. The Cover 4 hybrid scheme between zone and man was something the Rams hadn't seen the Pats do in film all year. Similarly on O, one would have thought James White would be a significant factor as he's one of the more skilled guys on the team. I don't remember him getting into the game. If you spend hours studying how to stop short passes to James White, hey guess what - you just wasted a lot of time prepping for someone that the never ended up deploying.
He's been doing this for years. Back when they played the Eagles the first time, they sent out not a 4-3 or 3-4 Defense but a 2-5 which again they hadn't deployed all year. If your QB can't improvise (Goff) its game over.
I sorta get the conundrum a guy like McVay has. If you've been wildly successful all year, as they had been on O, you're going to stick with what's worked until you're forced to switch gears. The problem is for both the Rams and the Chiefs by the time you consider doing something different (which Reid did but McVay didn't) the first half is already over and you're most likely already losing which limits your options.
The other thing Belichick does, which I haven't seen any other coach do, is go with a completely different game plan than anybody has seen to start the game off. That takes balls. The Cover 4 hybrid scheme between zone and man was something the Rams hadn't seen the Pats do in film all year. Similarly on O, one would have thought James White would be a significant factor as he's one of the more skilled guys on the team. I don't remember him getting into the game. If you spend hours studying how to stop short passes to James White, hey guess what - you just wasted a lot of time prepping for someone that the never ended up deploying.
He's been doing this for years. Back when they played the Eagles the first time, they sent out not a 4-3 or 3-4 Defense but a 2-5 which again they hadn't deployed all year. If your QB can't improvise (Goff) its game over.
Slap Shot
I got nothing
Re: NFL 2019: Superb Owl and Offseason
All the more amazing to me (and I could be wrong about this going off memory) is how few coaches under Belichick have gone on themselves to be successful head coaches. Clearly he gets his coaches to buy in yet rarely has anyone been able to take that success with them elsewhere.
All the more amazing to me (and I could be wrong about this going off memory) is how few coaches under Belichick have gone on themselves to be successful head coaches. Clearly he gets his coaches to buy in yet rarely has anyone been able to take that success with them elsewhere.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: NFL 2019: Superb Owl and Offseason
Human Beings don't like to be wrong and they always like to think their ideas are the best. Belicheat figured out long ago that in football it's easier to win if you take away what the other team does best instead of always trying to do what you do best.
Human Beings don't like to be wrong and they always like to think their ideas are the best. Belicheat figured out long ago that in football it's easier to win if you take away what the other team does best instead of always trying to do what you do best.
Re: NFL 2019: Superb Owl and Offseason
Again, to me, a lot of that is Belichick trusting his players. Which is not an easy thing for a coach to do.
Again, to me, a lot of that is Belichick trusting his players. Which is not an easy thing for a coach to do.
Slap Shot
I got nothing
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: NFL 2019: Superb Owl and Offseason
Every football coach knows this, yet Belichick somehow is able to actually execute it and take away what the other team does best. He didn't originate an insight that is so obvious both you and I came up with it independently. His magic isn't science, it's logistics: he actually makes the thing he plans for happen. If that was inconsequential everybody would do it.
I hate the bastid and his pipsqueak QB and his ludicrous troll owner and their bandwagon fairweather fanbase and that ugly, second rate, white trash slum. But you don't get to choose the GOAT, it just happens, and the Patriots are now on Rushmore with the Yankees, the Canadians, and the Lakers. I'm not any happier about it than you are.
Every football coach knows this, yet Belichick somehow is able to actually execute it and take away what the other team does best. He didn't originate an insight that is so obvious both you and I came up with it independently. His magic isn't science, it's logistics: he actually makes the thing he plans for happen. If that was inconsequential everybody would do it.
I hate the bastid and his pipsqueak QB and his ludicrous troll owner and their bandwagon fairweather fanbase and that ugly, second rate, white trash slum. But you don't get to choose the GOAT, it just happens, and the Patriots are now on Rushmore with the Yankees, the Canadians, and the Lakers. I'm not any happier about it than you are.
Re: NFL 2019: Superb Owl and Offseason
Just got back from the Pats parade. Good times!
Oh, and Kep, I appreciate your championship envy as much as the next guy, but the Mt Rushmore of sports teams is Pats, Yanks, Habs, and CELTICS, who not only have more titles than the Lakers mostly at the expense of the Lakers but also won them all in Boston while like 5 of the Lakers were won in Minny.
Boston baby - we OWN two of the 4 major sports!!!!
Just got back from the Pats parade. Good times!
Oh, and Kep, I appreciate your championship envy as much as the next guy, but the Mt Rushmore of sports teams is Pats, Yanks, Habs, and CELTICS, who not only have more titles than the Lakers mostly at the expense of the Lakers but also won them all in Boston while like 5 of the Lakers were won in Minny.
Boston baby - we OWN two of the 4 major sports!!!!
Re: NFL 2019: Superb Owl and Offseason
Yeah just imagine how great the offense could have been if Rams defense wasn't caught completely off guard
Yeah just imagine how great the offense could have been if Rams defense wasn't caught completely off guard
Re: NFL 2019: Superb Owl and Offseason
Who won the game again?
Yeah just imagine how great the offense could have been if Rams defense wasn't caught completely off guard
Who won the game again?
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: NFL 2019: Superb Owl and Offseason
I'm not the one that pointed to their genius offensive game plan...
In fact, their one touchdown drive was running a formation that wasn't even in the game plan, so you might come to the conclusion that their offensive game plan was ummmm terrible.
I'm not the one that pointed to their genius offensive game plan...
In fact, their one touchdown drive was running a formation that wasn't even in the game plan, so you might come to the conclusion that their offensive game plan was ummmm terrible.
Re: NFL 2019: Superb Owl and Offseason
Other than getting stalled a few too many times, or a bad timed turn over, NE moved the ball a lot better than LA did. In that game, 150 more yards mattered a lot, and the TOP difference of 7 min also mattered a lot.
May not have been genius, but it was considerably better. The 5th based offense was quite a bit better than the 2nd place offense.
Other than getting stalled a few too many times, or a bad timed turn over, NE moved the ball a lot better than LA did. In that game, 150 more yards mattered a lot, and the TOP difference of 7 min also mattered a lot.
May not have been genius, but it was considerably better. The 5th based offense was quite a bit better than the 2nd place offense.
trixR4kids
Well-known member
Re: NFL 2019: Superb Owl and Offseason
Not having a legitimately below average QB probably helped a bit too.
Not having a legitimately below average QB probably helped a bit too.
Re: NFL 2019: Superb Owl and Offseason
Huh...I missed the part where the championship got decided on style points! I think you've been watching too much figure skating.
But, if you'd like to review, I didn't say they had a genius offensive game plan. I said they threw a wrinkle at the Rams from the get go by not involving James White when most of the world thought they'd try to get him a lot more touches. At the end of the day, the team put up enough points to win (should have been 16 if not for idiot kicker) and also importantly controlled the time of position and field position battles.
Huh...I missed the part where the championship got decided on style points! I think you've been watching too much figure skating.
But, if you'd like to review, I didn't say they had a genius offensive game plan. I said they threw a wrinkle at the Rams from the get go by not involving James White when most of the world thought they'd try to get him a lot more touches. At the end of the day, the team put up enough points to win (should have been 16 if not for idiot kicker) and also importantly controlled the time of position and field position battles.