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NFL 2019-20: The Patriots Are A Terrible 11-3 Team!

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Kepler said:
I looked him up and was surprised to see just how badly he sucked. My very hazy memory* was of basic competence.

* To be fair, I have not thought of him once in the last 28 years.
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The reason I thought if him was that I seem to remember a report of the potential.... and the shame that he gambled it away.

The irony of Michigan QB's being so much more successful in the NFL than OSUs. Basic competence for most, and the GOAT. Basic competence is not something that OSU QB's have really been known for. It's funny how one of our best statistical QB's is pretty disliked here, but he also managed to start for quite a few games with some success... (John Navarre)..
 
Bronco said:
I dislike Meyer as much as the next guy, but that is cruel.
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I honestly don't know if it's that cruel. What Detroit needs is real leadership- to inspire the players to be better than they are. I know these guys are pros and all, but I still think Meyer can find a way to inspire them to work.

That's Evil Bill's real secret- how to get more out of the players than they think they can. People pretend that it's somehow related to his discipline- but I actually see that part as an agreement between him and the players to understand what it will take to win. If the players don't buy in, discipline on it's own does not work- (see Bill's minions totally failing at trying to copy him). What needs to happen is that the coach and the players agree what sacrifices have to happen to win.

And I honestly see Meyer being able to do that.
 
MichVandal said:
The irony of Michigan QB's being so much more successful in the NFL than OSUs
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Could this trace to an actual difference between systems? Notre Dame's post-Montana reputation was because we ran the flexbone which was not tenable in the NFL (defenders are just too fast) our QBs would struggle in the bigs.
 
MichVandal said:
I honestly don't know if it's that cruel. What Detroit needs is real leadership- to inspire the players to be better than they are. I know these guys are pros and all, but I still think Meyer can find a way to inspire them to work.

That's Evil Bill's real secret- how to get more out of the players than they think they can. People pretend that it's somehow related to his discipline- but I actually see that part as an agreement between him and the players to understand what it will take to win. If the players don't buy in, discipline on it's own does not work- (see Bill's minions totally failing at trying to copy him). What needs to happen is that the coach and the players agree what sacrifices have to happen to win.

And I honestly see Meyer being able to do that.
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I would argue that New England's success is more from Tom Brady and the veteran group of players that maintain a high standard of play. I would be much more motivated to work hard for a fellow teammate than for the coach. Players put in the work, coaches just add structure.

I am trying to think of a dynasty that turned over their main player(s) and retained the coach to continue their run. There might be one, but I can't think of it.

For the Lions, the failure is the ownership. They say they care about the fans, but as long as the franchise value continues to go up, they don't actually care.
 
Officiating crew in the Vikings-Lions game is trying their best to ensure Minnesota wins this one. Two absolutely horseshit calls against Detroit lead to a Vikings' touchdown going on the board, and a Lions' touchdown coming off the board. Vikings lead by 8, but Lions should be up by 6.
 
Bronco said:
I would argue that New England's success is more from Tom Brady and the veteran group of players that maintain a high standard of play. I would be much more motivated to work hard for a fellow teammate than for the coach. Players put in the work, coaches just add structure.

I am trying to think of a dynasty that turned over their main player(s) and retained the coach to continue their run. There might be one, but I can't think of it.

For the Lions, the failure is the ownership. They say they care about the fans, but as long as the franchise value continues to go up, they don't actually care.
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You can argue that, for sure. But Brady only covers one side of the game. The game plans he's come up with to cover some amazing offenses has been pretty spectacular. NE has not really been the dominant team for a long time, even though they have won SB, for sure not the most talented.

I agree that the Lions true failure is ownership. A very apathetic ownership, the opposite problem that Washington, SF, and Dallas have. But there can be success with the right GM/Coach combination. Which is something they have done really badly forever.
 
French Rage said:
One could argue that the main player(s) there were more the OL and less the QB/RB.
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And that would be a fair argument, although even then there were still some changes along the OL between '82 and '91. By my count, 6 players were on both the '82 and '91 teams: Art Monk, Don Warren, Jeff Bostic, Joe Jacoby, Russ Grimm, and Monte Coleman.

You could also argue that Washington's run from 1982-1991 was not a "dynasty." I think it should count (4 Super Bowl appearances and 3 Super Bowl wins in the span of a decade), but they never won consecutive titles, and two of the three titles were in strike seasons.
 
Fighting Sioux 23 said:
Officiating crew in the Vikings-Lions game is trying their best to ensure Minnesota wins this one. Two absolutely horse**** calls against Detroit lead to a Vikings' touchdown going on the board, and a Lions' touchdown coming off the board. Vikings lead by 8, but Lions should be up by 6.
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Just another Sunday for Lions fans. This is the second time this season the Lions were flagged for tackling the QB.
 
Bronco said:
Just another Sunday for Lions fans. This is the second time this season the Lions were flagged for tackling the QB.
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That call was...something else. The announcers were trying to think of possible reasons why it could be roughing the QB, and each one was obviously not the case. It was a pure and clean tackle, and I would use it to teach my defensive players how to tackle the QB to avoid a penalty. The ref/official that threw the flag should be fined for that call. It was horrendous.
 
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