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Re: NFL 2017: With Dollar Signs in Goodell's Eyes
Oh, dear.
Oh, dear.
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NFL 2017: With Dollar Signs in Goodell's Eyes
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trixR4kids
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This guy charts every throw and would like a word with you:From what I can tell, the Packers had 15 drops last season (see link below), which was one of the lowest totals/percentages of any team. I'm not sure what the Packers' average yards/pass was last season, but my guess is it was less than 50+ yards.
https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-receiver-drops-percentage/2016/
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: NFL 2017: With Dollar Signs in Goodell's Eyes
not entirely accurate. balls have now been deemed catches if they hit the ground. jesse's fault was the top hand coming off and the ball hitting the ground then (even though it looked like the white glove stayed half under).
not really upset since the patsies will win the afc champ game whether its in foxboro or pittsburgh anyhow
not entirely accurate. balls have now been deemed catches if they hit the ground. jesse's fault was the top hand coming off and the ball hitting the ground then (even though it looked like the white glove stayed half under).
not really upset since the patsies will win the afc champ game whether its in foxboro or pittsburgh anyhow
SonofSouthie
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Re: NFL 2017: With Dollar Signs in Goodell's Eyes
I think if any team got shafted yesterday it was Oakland with the referee's card trick. They've been known to collapse when a call goes against them in crunch time though.
I think if any team got shafted yesterday it was Oakland with the referee's card trick. They've been known to collapse when a call goes against them in crunch time though.
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Not so sure Mook. 10/16 on third down (seemed like 17/16 to me) and allowing 69 yard pass plays in the last minute is not winning football.
But I gotta say, I looked at the the last non-kneeldown play of the game again this morning, and it was a real clusterfugg. It reflects poorly on the Steelers, whether it's the fault of the coaching staff or Roethlisberger. Literally nine of the Pittsburgh players stand around expecting a spike. Ben had to throw the pass, or he would have gotten sacked and time would have expired.
The silly card trick is an example of a grossly exaggerated sense of precision. They could have used an electron microscope, but it wouldn't make up for the inherent inaccuracy in where the ball was placed in the first place. And secondly, the fumble was a monumentally stupid play by Carr. He had a first down, with plenty of time left. Hard to have sympathy when a team has a chance to overcome a bad break but blows it.
not entirely accurate. balls have now been deemed catches if they hit the ground. jesse's fault was the top hand coming off and the ball hitting the ground then (even though it looked like the white glove stayed half under).
not really upset since the patsies will win the afc champ game whether its in foxboro or pittsburgh anyhow
Not so sure Mook. 10/16 on third down (seemed like 17/16 to me) and allowing 69 yard pass plays in the last minute is not winning football.
But I gotta say, I looked at the the last non-kneeldown play of the game again this morning, and it was a real clusterfugg. It reflects poorly on the Steelers, whether it's the fault of the coaching staff or Roethlisberger. Literally nine of the Pittsburgh players stand around expecting a spike. Ben had to throw the pass, or he would have gotten sacked and time would have expired.
The silly card trick is an example of a grossly exaggerated sense of precision. They could have used an electron microscope, but it wouldn't make up for the inherent inaccuracy in where the ball was placed in the first place. And secondly, the fumble was a monumentally stupid play by Carr. He had a first down, with plenty of time left. Hard to have sympathy when a team has a chance to overcome a bad break but blows it.
SonofSouthie
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Re: NFL 2017: With Dollar Signs in Goodell's Eyes
From Dan Shaughnessy this morning,
I mean, why not throw a forced slant pass on the goal line in the final seconds against New England? Pete Carroll can tell you that’s a time-tested formula for success.
“This was 500 times worse than the play Seattle made in the Super Bowl,’’ quipped former NFL quarterback Scott Zolak.
From Dan Shaughnessy this morning,
I mean, why not throw a forced slant pass on the goal line in the final seconds against New England? Pete Carroll can tell you that’s a time-tested formula for success.
“This was 500 times worse than the play Seattle made in the Super Bowl,’’ quipped former NFL quarterback Scott Zolak.
Re: NFL 2017: With Dollar Signs in Goodell's Eyes
Technically, you can- from https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/completing-a-catch/
Since the ball hit the ground, and he lost possession, then he did not make a catch. If the ball didn't move in his hands, Steelers win.
Technically, you can- from https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/completing-a-catch/
Since the ball hit the ground, and he lost possession, then he did not make a catch. If the ball didn't move in his hands, Steelers win.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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According to an article in Deadspin, only 2 Steelers knew the play. The other 9 thought it was going to be a spike.
The Pats' interception of the Seahawks was an amazing defensive play they had practiced because they had noticed a tell in the Seahawks' offensive set. The Pats' interception of the Steelers was them getting lucky in the chaos.
Either way, I hate the Patriots almost as much as I hated the Braves' 90s and 00s dynasty, and for the same reason: it's such a grim certainty because it is the result of superior talent plus highly professional preparation. The best team is winning all these games the Pats win. Yes, they are smug, self-absorbed so-and-sos and yes their fans are the worst people on the planet, but when the Pats win the better team wins.
It is f-cking infuriating.
According to an article in Deadspin, only 2 Steelers knew the play. The other 9 thought it was going to be a spike.
The Pats' interception of the Seahawks was an amazing defensive play they had practiced because they had noticed a tell in the Seahawks' offensive set. The Pats' interception of the Steelers was them getting lucky in the chaos.
Either way, I hate the Patriots almost as much as I hated the Braves' 90s and 00s dynasty, and for the same reason: it's such a grim certainty because it is the result of superior talent plus highly professional preparation. The best team is winning all these games the Pats win. Yes, they are smug, self-absorbed so-and-sos and yes their fans are the worst people on the planet, but when the Pats win the better team wins.
It is f-cking infuriating.
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Regarding a potential Pats-Steelers rematch, the problem the Steelers are always going to have his their defensive scheme with the players that they have. Simply put they don't have a Luke Keuchly type LB that can stay with Gronk so that either means a horrible mismatch with a safety like we saw yesterday, or a zone that Brady usually picks apart. Thought the Patriots really missed having Hogan in there as Brady doesn't seem to trust the Next Man Up 3rd receiver whoever that is on any given week after Cooks and Amendola.
Obviously the game changes a lot with Brown in there, but I'm a bit skeptical his torn calf is magically going to heal over the next 3 weeks so that's he's 100% in time for the playoffs.
Regarding a potential Pats-Steelers rematch, the problem the Steelers are always going to have his their defensive scheme with the players that they have. Simply put they don't have a Luke Keuchly type LB that can stay with Gronk so that either means a horrible mismatch with a safety like we saw yesterday, or a zone that Brady usually picks apart. Thought the Patriots really missed having Hogan in there as Brady doesn't seem to trust the Next Man Up 3rd receiver whoever that is on any given week after Cooks and Amendola.
Obviously the game changes a lot with Brown in there, but I'm a bit skeptical his torn calf is magically going to heal over the next 3 weeks so that's he's 100% in time for the playoffs.
Re: NFL 2017: With Dollar Signs in Goodell's Eyes
Any fan of great pitching had to appreciate, if not like, those Braves teams.
Any fan of great pitching had to appreciate, if not like, those Braves teams.
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First, I was just posting what I could find on drops. Your guy can have a word with the site I linked. Second, what guy are you referring to? I don't see a link or other source.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: NFL 2017: With Dollar Signs in Goodell's Eyes
It has 5 weeks to heal before the NFC title game rematch. Here's hoping; somebody has to stop Evil Corp.
It has 5 weeks to heal before the NFC title game rematch. Here's hoping; somebody has to stop Evil Corp.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: NFL 2017: With Dollar Signs in Goodell's Eyes
It helped that Maddux was given a strike zone the size of Ken Kaiser's full moon. As a fan of great pitching teams (Mets 73 and 86) I could appreciate the aesthetics of it even as I was hoping for the Nazis to return from their secret moon base and wipe out the entire city of Atlanta.
It helped that Maddux was given a strike zone the size of Ken Kaiser's full moon. As a fan of great pitching teams (Mets 73 and 86) I could appreciate the aesthetics of it even as I was hoping for the Nazis to return from their secret moon base and wipe out the entire city of Atlanta.
Re: NFL 2017: With Dollar Signs in Goodell's Eyes
1) I'm pretty sure he plays in the AFC.
2) Steelers need to win out. Obviously they'll beat the hapless Browns but there's the potential to lay an egg on the road against Houston. If they lose and Jax runs the table, no 1st round bye (Jax beat Pittsburgh earlier in the year) and Brown needs to be ready to go in 3 weeks time.
1) I'm pretty sure he plays in the AFC.
2) Steelers need to win out. Obviously they'll beat the hapless Browns but there's the potential to lay an egg on the road against Houston. If they lose and Jax runs the table, no 1st round bye (Jax beat Pittsburgh earlier in the year) and Brown needs to be ready to go in 3 weeks time.
SonofSouthie
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Re: NFL 2017: With Dollar Signs in Goodell's Eyes
Anywho as coach would say, "We're on to Buffalo".
Not sure I'd go so far as to call it lucky. A couple of different articles that players had said they see the fake spike all the time in practice and it sure looked like the DB's lined up on the left side of the Patriots defense were waiting for Rogers.
Anywho as coach would say, "We're on to Buffalo".
trixR4kids
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It’s from presnapreads, http://presnapreads.com/2017/08/29/nfl-quarterback-tiers-evaluations-ahead-of-the-2017-season/
And idk how drops get recorded at the NFL level but if I had to guess it’s something like errors in the MLB where they only count the egregious ones. Either way I doubt Rodgers only lost 50 yards in drops last year having watched the vast majority of the games.
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Tony Dungy made what I thought was a good point last night. The game wasn't only about the bye and home field, but also who has to play Jacksonville. Want to see what they do in the next two weeks, but based on what's happening now, I wouldn't want to play Jacksonville.
1) I'm pretty sure he plays in the AFC.
2) Steelers need to win out. Obviously they'll beat the hapless Browns but there's the potential to lay an egg on the road against Houston. If they lose and Jax runs the table, no 1st round bye (Jax beat Pittsburgh earlier in the year) and Brown needs to be ready to go in 3 weeks time.
Tony Dungy made what I thought was a good point last night. The game wasn't only about the bye and home field, but also who has to play Jacksonville. Want to see what they do in the next two weeks, but based on what's happening now, I wouldn't want to play Jacksonville.
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To me Pats really need to get healthier. Van Noy was their best LB. They need Hogan to make the offense operate on a higher level (can replace Burkhead on the other hand). Need Branch back as well. Its the difference between starting experience vets or practice squad guys. Eventually that's going to catch up to you. If they can get these guys back I like our chances. If not you have to worry about any team with a decent offense running them off the field.
To me Pats really need to get healthier. Van Noy was their best LB. They need Hogan to make the offense operate on a higher level (can replace Burkhead on the other hand). Need Branch back as well. Its the difference between starting experience vets or practice squad guys. Eventually that's going to catch up to you. If they can get these guys back I like our chances. If not you have to worry about any team with a decent offense running them off the field.
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rufus
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Re: NFL 2017: With Dollar Signs in Goodell's Eyes
Sure. I think it should have been a touchdown too. If he had been touched by a Patriot before extending the ball over the line, it would have been ruled a complete pass, and downed at the one. If a running back had dove over the line at the one, extended the ball so it broke the plane,and then lost it out the back of the endzone, it would have been a touchdown. This guy was laying on the ground at the one, broke the plane of the goal line with the ball, and then lost it. Should have been a touchdown.
Sure. I think it should have been a touchdown too. If he had been touched by a Patriot before extending the ball over the line, it would have been ruled a complete pass, and downed at the one. If a running back had dove over the line at the one, extended the ball so it broke the plane,and then lost it out the back of the endzone, it would have been a touchdown. This guy was laying on the ground at the one, broke the plane of the goal line with the ball, and then lost it. Should have been a touchdown.
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