NFL 2010: $25K Fine For Talking About Fines

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Absolutely he does. Unfortunately for Singletary is that his situation sort of reminded me of Mike Tice's situation. I think Singletary suffered from inept personnel management, which may or may not have been somewhat his fault. Did Singletary get to have a hand in free agent signings or draft picks?.

Oh, I fully agree with that. It's significant that the GM is getting canned as well. Imagine how the season would have been different if they had pulled the trigger for a McNabb or someone?

That said, I think once you make a decision to clean house, you have to clean the whole house, and Singletary certainly bears at least some of the blame.

 

[bronconick]

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What a dumb rule that you can't review a spot unless it involves trying to overturn what was called a first down...

I've grown disillusioned with the NFL's replay system. If most FBS colleges can get *every* play reviewed without the games lasting 5 hours, I don't see why the NFL can't do the same. There shouldn't be a strategic part of replay challenging because the ref screwed up, and you either a) don't challenge it because you want to "save" it for a later point in the game or b) use up your challenges and then get boned later in the game because of another blown call.

 

[jmh]

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I've grown disillusioned with the NFL's replay system. If most FBS colleges can get *every* play reviewed without the games lasting 5 hours, I don't see why the NFL can't do the same. There shouldn't be a strategic part of replay challenging because the ref screwed up, and you either a) don't challenge it because you want to "save" it for a later point in the game or b) use up your challenges and then get boned later in the game because of another blown call.

I agree with this, always thought the rules put in place by the NFL were silly. How does it work in FBS?

 

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I agree with this, always thought the rules put in place by the NFL were silly. How does it work in FBS?

The booth reviews every play, and buzzes down to the referee if there is a play they want some more time to review. The official making decisions its up in a booth, the referee on the field just talks to him on a headset.

 

[unofan]

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If most FBS colleges can get *every* play reviewed without the games lasting 5 hours.

Depends on the crew...I went to a Colorado-Kansas game a couple years ago where they reviewed probably 3-4 plays for no apparent reason (in addition to a couple others that were more reasonable to review). Add in the 150 second TV timeouts, and that game lasted at least 4 hours. Most college games (1-A) (screw the FBC/FCS naming convention; the Big Televen divisional names are better than FBC/FCS) are now on the long side of 3:30.

Since TV timeouts are not going to disappear, the NCAA really needs to consider adopting some or all NFL timing rules to speed up the game.

 

[unofan]

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The booth reviews every play, and buzzes down to the referee if there is a play they want some more time to review. The official making decisions its up in a booth, the referee on the field just talks to him on a headset.

Teams also can use timeouts to ensure further replay.

 

[bronconick]

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Depends on the crew...I went to a Colorado-Kansas game a couple years ago where they reviewed probably 3-4 plays for no apparent reason (in addition to a couple others that were more reasonable to review). Add in the 150 second TV timeouts, and that game lasted at least 4 hours. Most college games (1-A) (screw the FBC/FCS naming convention; the Big Televen divisional names are better than FBC/FCS) are now on the long side of 3:30.

Since TV timeouts are not going to disappear, the NCAA really needs to consider adopting some or all NFL timing rules to speed up the game.

One of the ACC games I saw this year was bad enough that the announcers were mocking the crew.

The main difference in time has more to do with the clock stopping after first downs and the NFL allowing more time per play to run off than replay.

Given that the NCAA's last effort to shorten games cut something like 20 plays per game out and led to a near mutiny among coaches until the rules got changed again, and that they hate to copy the NFL in anything, I'll deal with the longer games.

 

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Teams also can use timeouts to ensure further replay.

Yep. Isn't there still one conference that allows coaches to challenge plays? Pac 10 maybe? WAC?

 

[unofan]

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The main difference in time has more to do with the clock stopping after first downs and the NFL allowing more time per play to run off than replay.

The NFL also restarts the clock once the ball is set after people run out of bounds and after declined penalties except for the last 2 minutes of the 1st half and last 5 minutes of the 2nd half.

TV timeouts always have been and always will be the primary culprits in lengthening games. I don't understand why TV timeouts in football are 150 seconds while media timeouts in basketball are only 105 seconds. A college basketball game is still over with in 2 hours even with the scheduled TV breaks.

 

[jmh]

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The booth reviews every play, and buzzes down to the referee if there is a play they want some more time to review. The official making decisions its up in a booth, the referee on the field just talks to him on a headset.

I wonder whether maybe there's a power issue at play, like the NFL referees would object to not being the ones to make replay decisions.

 

[bronconick]

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The NFL also restarts the clock once the ball is set after people run out of bounds and after declined penalties except for the last 2 minutes of the 1st half and last 5 minutes of the 2nd half.

TV timeouts always have been and always will be the primary culprits in lengthening games. I don't understand why TV timeouts in football are 150 seconds while media timeouts in basketball are only 105 seconds. A college basketball game is still over with in 2 hours even with the scheduled TV breaks.

Ratings? Better value in football ads compared to non-NCAA tourney basketball? I know anecdotally that CBS shovels about 22,000 commercials when March rolls around.

 

[J.D.]

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A couple things...

1. The biggest thing that hurt Singletary is he went 8-8 last year and then all of a sudden expectations were through the roof for a mediocre team. It happens. He'll be a coordinator/position coach somewhere else and then maybe get another shot down the line. Once they have the GM/coach in place, they still need to address the QB position. Any way you slice it, I think the NFC West will soon be dominated by St. Louis again. Bottom line is they have a franchise QB and the other three teams don't.

2. Replay--too often you see plays reviewed in college that don't need to be. I don't know what the best system is, but in the NFL, I think there should be a league employee at each game responsible for looking at replays and determining if something needs to be reviewed. If a play is about to be run, teams should have as many challenges as they do timeouts. If you lose the challenge, you lose a timeout. If a team doesn't have any timeouts and there's a controversial play with five minutes left, the league employee should still be able to call for a review.

 

[thebrain]

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Absolutely he does. Unfortunately for Singletary is that his situation sort of reminded me of Mike Tice's situation. I think Singletary suffered from inept personnel management, which may or may not have been somewhat his fault. Did Singletary get to have a hand in free agent signings or draft picks?.

Tice had no ownership help from McCombs, and had to make do with some pretty lousy talent. Surprisingly, he actually had a winning team or two in there. In fact, I'm pretty sure he got canned after putting up a 9-7 record, when Childress came in and turned the team into a loser. Now I'm not saying Tice was a genius, but if he had been given some talent beyond simply Randy Moss, his coaching career could have been much different. Then again, he did allow some pretty appalling behavior to happen on the team. That may have been more than anything the reason Ziggy Wilf, the current owner, ended up firing him.

More than anything, I miss hearing Tice's post game press briefings. "I need a huuuuug!"

I think Tice's overall record was like 32-33 and 1-1 in the playoffs. He was 9-7 his final year having Daunte get hurt and Brad Johnson filling in. McCombs wouldn't let Tice get an offensive coordinator his final year, having Steve Loney be the OC and OL coach. I don't think the off the field stuff has changed since Tice's firing. Childress tried, people got mad.

 

[Handyman]

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A couple things...

1. The biggest thing that hurt Singletary is he went 8-8 last year and then all of a sudden expectations were through the roof for a mediocre team. It happens. He'll be a coordinator/position coach somewhere else and then maybe get another shot down the line. Once they have the GM/coach in place, they still need to address the QB position. Any way you slice it, I think the NFC West will soon be dominated by St. Louis again. Bottom line is they have a franchise QB and the other three teams don't.

They went up because the division stunk. You had Seattle with a new coach, the Rams with a horrid team and new QB and the mess that is Arizona...at 8-8 the 49ers in reality needed to improve by 1 game to win that division. They didnt, they were a joke most of the year, time for Mike to go.

And for the love of GOD Tice was a horrid coach. This is the guy who instituted (and talked about in the press) the Randy Ratio, who, going on the road to Chicago needing a win to clinch the Division completely changed the offense against their strength and lost, went for some of the worst fourth downs of all time because the fans yelled for it (see also: challenges) amongst other things. He was dealt a rotten hand ownership wise but he had no idea what he was doing. He is a ****ed good line coach now, that is what he is good at and should stick to that.

 

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If this Tuesday game does a nice TV number, do you think there's any chance the NFL looks into staging more Tuesday games? Maybe the first few weeks of the year?

 

[Priceless]

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If this Tuesday game does a nice TV number, do you think there's any chance the NFL looks into staging more Tuesday games? Maybe the first few weeks of the year?

I was wondering about that. They do a Thursday night game already...might be tempting to do a Tuesday night game as well.

 

[J.D.]

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If this Tuesday game does a nice TV number, do you think there's any chance the NFL looks into staging more Tuesday games? Maybe the first few weeks of the year?

No. I've heard enough players, etc. complain about the Thursday night games/short weeks. I just don't see it...

 

[Priceless]

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No. I've heard enough players, etc. complain about the Thursday night games/short weeks. I just don't see it...

The owners are in a pretty good position to get what they want in the next CBA. At the very least, a good # tonight gives them one more bargaining chip.

 

[bronconick]

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A rating on a Tuesday night game on NBC the week between X-mas and New Years when some businesses take the week off is going to have little to do with the ratings they'd get by shoveling another game weekly onto the NFL network that no one gets and everyone streams.

 

[Priceless]

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A rating on a Tuesday night game on NBC the week between X-mas and New Years when some businesses take the week off is going to have little to do with the ratings they'd get by shoveling another game weekly onto the NFL network that no one gets and everyone streams.

They could market the rights to one of their network partners. ESPN wouldn't mind a Tuesday game for a month, to go along with MNF. Nor would NBC (that would make a great lead in for their 11:00 local newcasts, especially after the ratings disaster that was the Jay Leno experiment.) The NFL is looking to grow - the draft now takes three freaking days, an 18-game season is a foregone conclusion. It doesn't take a lot of imagination to see Jerry Jones and Roger Goodell at least exploring the option; or using this as leverage in the negotiations.