New WCHA is dead

[RaceBoarder]

Re: New WCHA is dead

With St Thomas in Minnesota possibly going D1 in all other sports, I believe they would have to go D1 in hockey as well. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that's the rule.

If that is the case, it'd be pretty logical for them to join the CCHA? Also would give the league 8 teams to balance out the schedule. Has anyone heard any rumors about their hockey program? The article below said they'd look at the WCHA but obviously that league will either no longer exist or morph significantly, they'd end up in the CCHA.



https://theathletic.com/1620293/2020/02/20/st-thomas-tommies-division-i-transition-miac-division-iii-ncaa-rules/

Unless there is some massive, catastrophic, yet to be seen flaw with St. Thomas, they will have an open invitation to come to the CCHA. The only wrench in those works would be the rumored (but at this time unlikely) swap of Mankato and Bemidji for Western and Miami.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

Unless there is some massive, catastrophic, yet to be seen flaw with St. Thomas, they will have an open invitation to come to the CCHA. The only wrench in those works would be the rumored (but at this time unlikely) swap of Mankato and Bemidji for Western and Miami.

Rumors:
Miami wants to move, WMU doesn’t.

Assumptions:
CCHA would take the MAC schools.
BSU would probably like to switch.

Facts:
MnState has tried to move and has been rejected by NCHC.
No other interest or lack thereof has been made public.

 

[MTUHuskies]

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Rumors:
Miami wants to move, WMU doesn’t.

Assumptions:
CCHA would take the MAC schools.
BSU would probably like to switch.

Facts:
MnState has tried to move and has been rejected by NCHC.
No other interest or lack thereof has been made public.

I'd like to see the Western/Miami for Mankato/Bemidji swap.

I'd also like to see Central get a team. It would be a nice GLIAC-MACtion balance. But I haven't heard any rumours out of Mt. Pleasant so that's a pipe dream.

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[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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Schools on the radar in the region:

MAC:
Kent State (had a team, dropped it, probably won’t come back short of replacing their insufficient rink)
Ohio (see: Kent State)
Never heard any actual rumors about EMU, CMU, NIU, Buffalo, etc outside of baseless fanboy speculation on here.

Horizon League:
Oakland U (participated in feasibility study, “passed with flying colors”)
UIC (had team, dropped it, has a good arena, but supposedly doesn’t have ice making capability anymore)

GLIAC:
Wayne State (see: Kent State, but with even fewer fans and no actual rink)
Nobody in any serious capacity AFAIK
Also… no more D-II play ups unless the NCAA reclassifies hockey like they did with the women’s side.

 

[RaceBoarder]

Re: New WCHA is dead

Rumors:
Miami wants to move, WMU doesn’t.

Assumptions:
CCHA would take the MAC schools.
BSU would probably like to switch.

Facts:
MnState has tried to move and has been rejected by NCHC.
No other interest or lack thereof has been made public.

Agreed on that. When taken as a whole, nothing points to immediate action. But if the past 20 years have shown us anything, it's that when rumors refuse to die, there is a chance that there is some truth behind them.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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The CHN podcast seem confident enough in saying that they’ve heard enough unconfirmed talk about Miami to just flat out say it in their last podcast, so there’s that.

 

[aparch]

The CHN podcast seem confident enough in saying that they’ve heard enough unconfirmed talk about Miami to just flat out say it in their last podcast, so there’s that.

I can't wait for the next round of realignment, where Miami and WMU leave the NCHC, Mankato and St Thomas go to the NCHC, BGSU implodes the new CCHA and invites their MAC conferencemates, FSU and some AHA teams into a new conference.

Leaving Bemidji and the three UP schools to rejoin with UAA, UA_, UAH and ASU into the Great Western Conference 2.

 

[4four4]

Re: New WCHA is dead

With St Thomas in Minnesota possibly going D1 in all other sports, I believe they would have to go D1 in hockey as well. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that's the rule.

If that is the case, it'd be pretty logical for them to join the CCHA? Also would give the league 8 teams to balance out the schedule. Has anyone heard any rumors about their hockey program? The article below said they'd look at the WCHA but obviously that league will either no longer exist or morph significantly, they'd end up in the CCHA.



https://theathletic.com/1620293/2020/02/20/st-thomas-tommies-division-i-transition-miac-division-iii-ncaa-rules/

Chip Scoggins of the Star Tribune told me on Twitter that UST will go D1 in hockey.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

Chip Scoggins of the Star Tribune told me on Twitter that UST will go D1 in hockey.

I mean, should their Summit League invitation be successful, isn’t that a foregone conclusion?

 

[4four4]

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I mean, should their Summit League invitation be successful, isn’t that a foregone conclusion?

The Summit already invited them to their conference. There will be a financial meeting with the NCAA to discuss the move up. Having the Summit in their back pocket makes it easier for the NCAA to say yes to the Tommies and the Summit. Also, the Summit conference will help the Tommies with this move up.

 

[4four4]

Re: New WCHA is dead

After reading Chip Scoggins St. Thomas D1 update. I first asked if UST will be dropping men's hockey. My second question was where will they play games. Here is his tweet.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not dropping it but have to find a league. Don't think it's been decided yet</p>— chipscoggins (@chipscoggins) <a href="https://twitter.com/chipscoggins/status/1221268328888655872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 26, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

The Summit already invited them to their conference. There will be a financial meeting with the NCAA to discuss the move up. Having the Summit in their back pocket makes it easier for the NCAA to say yes to the Tommies and the Summit. Also, the Summit conference will help the Tommies with this move up.

My point being: wasn’t D-I hockey a foregone conclusion once they got the invite? What’s the other option for the Tommies, dropping the program?

 

[Bonin21]

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UST will go D1 and be a legit fan-agreed rivalry with the Gophers before UM, MSU, PSU, and OSU lol.

 

[AMC]

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My point being: wasn’t D-I hockey a foregone conclusion once they got the invite? What’s the other option for the Tommies, dropping the program?

St. Thomas would make four Summit League schools sponsoring D-I hockey. That could create some interesting calculus.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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Someone get NDSU, USD, and SDSU on the phone.

That’d be an interesting way to screw over the Northern Sun schools and CC.

 

[Slap Shot]

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UST will go D1 and be a legit fan-agreed rivalry with the Gophers before UM, MSU, PSU, and OSU lol.

There there.

 

[AMC]

Re: New WCHA is dead

Someone get NDSU, USD, and SDSU on the phone.

That’d be an interesting way to screw over the Northern Sun schools and CC.

Well, would there be any kind of obligation to get them an NCHC invite? Probably not, especially when St. Thomas is essentially a startup, but if they get rolling, get a good facility...

 

[gfmorris]

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The biggest problem for the Selective Seven is that they're not good enough to destroy UAH and UAA. Want to not hurt your PWR? Finish the job.

It hasn't been a problem for Minnesota State to drill UAH game after game. It wasn't for Tech until they began to lose their edge.

Bowling Green gave a truly terrible UAH team their first WCHA win. Bemidji State gave them their second.

There's a reason that the WCHA isn't that great — its best teams aren't good enough to withstand losing to one of the truly terrible teams in this league.

UAH has sucked for 15 years, outside of last season. The run of 20 losses is unending; they'll hit 30 this year unless they do another sniper job. And yet UAH picks off a second-tier WCHA team or two every season.

Do the incoming CCHA teams think that beating the crap out of each other is going to fly? That having LSSU and FSU to kick around is going to be enough? These people have never had a mathematics book with them in the same room for the last decade, much less had one hit them upside of the head or attempt a rectal incursion, both of which are sorely needed.

[Note: if you accept UAH as the eighth team, I'll delete this post.]

GFM

 

[beaverhockeyfan]

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Well, would there be any kind of obligation to get them an NCHC invite? Probably not, especially when St. Thomas is essentially a startup, but if they get rolling, get a good facility...

I was just thinking the same thing. The NCHC already has SCSU and UMD, and St. Thomas would give whatever league picks them up a presence in the Twin Cities. Even though they are not a D-III hockey power year in and year out, I think the move to D-I with the resources and alumni base the Tommies have, they could quickly become a player on the D-I scene. The NCHC may want that extra exposure in the Twin Cities.

 

[TalonsUpPuckDown]

I was just thinking the same thing. The NCHC already has SCSU and UMD, and St. Thomas would give whatever league picks them up a presence in the Twin Cities. Even though they are not a D-III hockey power year in and year out, I think the move to D-I with the resources and alumni base the Tommies have, they could quickly become a player on the D-I scene. The NCHC may want that extra exposure in the Twin Cities.

Another trip to MN is exactly what Miami needs.