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New Poll Predictions for 2/14

Re: New Poll Predictions for 2/14

How is Bowdoin still ranked when they have four losses and a tie in their last five games and are no longer in first place in the NESCAC?
 
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lancer11 said:
How is Bowdoin still ranked when they have four losses and a tie in their last five games and are no longer in first place in the NESCAC?
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Because the USCHO Poll doesn't mean anything.

Bowdoin does this every season...It really is almost comical.
 
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I think Norwich is playing really, really good hockey right now. Without a doubt top 3, Oswego St. Norbert or Norwich are 1-3 it doesn't matter where you put them. In a fair world Castleton makes it in automatically without a question. Sure the strength of schedule is easy, but 19-3-1 speaks for itself.
 
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VermontfaninNY said:
I think Norwich is playing really, really good hockey right now. Without a doubt top 3, Oswego St. Norbert or Norwich are 1-3 it doesn't matter where you put them. In a fair world Castleton makes it in automatically without a question. Sure the strength of schedule is easy, but 19-3-1 speaks for itself.
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Tell that to Adrian and MSOE fans or any MASCAC team.
 
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VermontfaninNY said:
I think Norwich is playing really, really good hockey right now. Without a doubt top 3, Oswego St. Norbert or Norwich are 1-3 it doesn't matter where you put them. In a fair world Castleton makes it in automatically without a question. Sure the strength of schedule is easy, but 19-3-1 speaks for itself.
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Having seen both Oswego, Elmira, and Hobart in the past 3 weeks or so. Elmira is definitely a lot better than people outside the ECAC West is giving them credit for. It was a one game sample, but Elmira looked better than Oswego.
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
Tell that to Adrian and MSOE fans or any MASCAC team.
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To top it off, 4 MASCAC teams as well as 1 MCHA team have tougher SOS's than Castleton.

Castleton's SOS is ranked 35th toughest among the 47 East teams and is 50th out of 71 teams nationally.
 
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collegehcky2 said:
Having seen both Oswego, Elmira, and Hobart in the past 3 weeks or so. Elmira is definitely a lot better than people outside the ECAC West is giving them credit for. It was a one game sample, but Elmira looked better than Oswego.
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I think Josh and I are giving them all the credit in the world. We have had them at #2 in the East since we started our projection. However I do see your point. The USCHO poll is a joke, but what else is new.

The lack of respect can also be said in regard to Utica, despite their less than stellar weekend.
 
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Matt Rennell said:
I think Josh and I are giving them all the credit in the world. We have had them at #2 in the East since we started our projection. However I do see your point. The USCHO poll is a joke, but what else is new.

The lack of respect can also be said in regard to Utica, despite their less than stellar weekend.
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I have seen that both you and Josh have them at #2 in the East, but, I can't help but think that if Oswego loses in SUNYAC tourney and Elmira wins the ECAC West tourney, Elmira might jump Oswego for the #1 in the East.
 
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collegehcky2 said:
I have seen that both you and Josh have them at #2 in the East, but, I can't help but think that if Oswego loses in SUNYAC tourney and Elmira wins the ECAC West tourney, Elmira might jump Oswego for the #1 in the East.
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Now that is a giant leap!
Elmira still has at least 3 (and hopefully 4) very tough games before we can worry about who is #1, or whatever, in the east.
 
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collegehcky2 said:
I have seen that both you and Josh have them at #2 in the East, but, I can't help but think that if Oswego loses in SUNYAC tourney and Elmira wins the ECAC West tourney, Elmira might jump Oswego for the #1 in the East.
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Very doubtful, if for no other reason Oswego is 2-0-0 against Elmira this year.
 
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The matter of potential seeding should become a lot more accurately predictable once the NCAA releases its first rankings, if not for the availability of the criterion itself, then for the insight it tends to provide through the borderline teams it chooses to rank, a process that is...ahem...sometimes possibly viewed as an effort to clear up ambiguities among the top tier.
 
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collegehcky2 said:
Having seen both Oswego, Elmira, and Hobart in the past 3 weeks or so. Elmira is definitely a lot better than people outside the ECAC West is giving them credit for. It was a one game sample, but Elmira looked better than Oswego.
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All a matter of perspective - I too have seen them both in recent weeks....and at the beginning of the year. Soaring Eagles are definitely playing their best hockey now....Oswego has maintained a high level all season, last week's speed bump aka the Morrisville game notwithstanding.....both teams will go as far as their goaltending will take them....Oz is 2-0-0 against EC this year, but that was a long time ago...still, I would take the Lakers...
 
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Matt Rennell said:
Very doubtful, if for no other reason Oswego is 2-0-0 against Elmira this year.
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Very true.

Elmira vs Oswego
WIN 0.7174 0 0.8636 1
SOS 0.5737 1 0.5428 0
H2H 0- 2- 0 0 2- 0- 0 1
COP 11- 2- 2 0 13- 2- 0 1
RNK 0- 0- 0 0 0- 0- 0 0
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PTS 1 3
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When the NCAA rankings come out, how will that effect the pairwise? And, if Oswego loses to any team in SUNYACs not named Plattsburgh, with Elmira playing Utica at least one more time, and possibly Hobart, could that cause the COP to be adjusted?
 
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collegehcky2 said:
Very true.

Elmira vs Oswego
WIN 0.7174 0 0.8636 1
SOS 0.5737 1 0.5428 0
H2H 0- 2- 0 0 2- 0- 0 1
COP 11- 2- 2 0 13- 2- 0 1
RNK 0- 0- 0 0 0- 0- 0 0
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PTS 1 3
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When the NCAA rankings come out, how will that effect the pairwise? And, if Oswego loses to any team in SUNYACs not named Plattsburgh, with Elmira playing Utica at least one more time, and possibly Hobart, could that cause the COP to be adjusted?
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1) It all depends on what teams the NCAA ranks. The teams that they rank will determine the record vs. ranked category. When I formed my projection I took record vs. ranked into account using the teams from my rankings to form the records. But yes, it will have an impact which could/will alter future projections.

2) Depends what you mean by adjusted. If you mean will the records change, then yes. If you are referring to who wins the category, then it may or may not. That said, it doesnt matter because the common ops in this case doesn't have any effect. Oswego wins this comparison largly on H2H and win%.
 
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Matt Rennell said:
1) It all depends on what teams the NCAA ranks. The teams that they rank will determine the record vs. ranked category. When I formed my projection I took record vs. ranked into account using the teams from my rankings to form the records. But yes, it will have an impact which could/will alter future projections.

2) Depends what you mean by adjusted. If you mean will the records change, then yes. If you are referring to who wins the category, then it may or may not. That said, it doesnt matter because the common ops in this case doesn't have any effect. Oswego wins this comparison largly on H2H and win%.
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Gotcha, thank you!
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
Because the USCHO Poll doesn't mean anything.

Bowdoin does this every season...It really is almost comical.
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And yet, pollsters never catch on. Ever. Incredibly comical.

And yeah, this differs from the NCAA projections because the poll is based almost entirely on winning percentage and conference alignment, whereas the NCAA considers things that matter, like quality of opponents and wins.
 
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