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New #1 Team

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Brenthoven said:
Quinnipiac clearly deserves the #1. They've beaten traditional powerhouse teams like Bos...like North Da.....Minne....Den.....um, wait, who have they beaten again?
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If and I say IF MN takes care of business tonight - They will still be the #1 team, but after last night I have to say that is a big if.
 
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Brenthoven said:
I always love this argument. I haven't seen any AIC games and yet I know they are terrible. ;)
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I wasn't asking about AIC. I'm simply asking if you've seen any Bobcat games. I'm trying to determine if you're assessment of QU is based solely on past performances of the conference, the team, or if you've actually watched them play and thought that they didn't play very well.
 
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Mile High Hockey said:
I wasn't asking about AIC. I'm simply asking if you've seen any Bobcat games. I'm trying to determine if you're assessment of QU is based solely on past performances of the conference, the team, or if you've actually watched them play and thought that they didn't play very well.
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And I'm saying that for the last few years, some non-WCHA/HE team toots their horn, demanding respect, saying they are "legit good," and every year, they fail to win a title. They might make a little noise, but their season is usually ended by a WCHA/HE team.

The Q might have a nice record, we'll see what happens by season's end.

Edit: and more often than not, it's a one year flash in the pan.
 
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Brenthoven said:
And I'm saying that for the last few years, some non-WCHA/HE team toots their horn, demanding respect, saying they are "legit good," and every year, they fail to win a title. They might make a little noise, but their season is usually ended by a WCHA/HE team.

The Q might have a nice record, we'll see what happens by season's end.

Edit: and more often than not, it's a one year flash in the pan.
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So previous performances of the conference. For what it's worth, I'm not a Quinnipiac fan, but I do think they are deserving of a #1 ranking at this point in the season and are a very good team.

I'm curious if you'll have those same feelings next season. After all, unless Minnesota wins it this season (which is entirely possible, if not expected), there will have been only 2 B1G championship in the last 10 years, and zero in the last 6 seasons. Should we discount B1G programs as a result? I certainly don't think so.
 
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I'm just saying...remember when BSU and RIT made the F4? It was cute. Then RIT disappeared again, and BSU joined the grind that is the WCHA. Boomdone.

Every year, some non-WCHA/HE team makes some sort of run in the regular season, only to be shut down. Get there, and stay there, and earn the respect. Don't puff your chest out (not you specifically) before you've really accomplished anything...
 
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Brenthoven said:
I'm just saying...remember when BSU and RIT made the F4? It was cute. Then RIT disappeared again, and BSU joined the grind that is the WCHA. Boomdone.

Every year, some non-WCHA/HE team makes some sort of run in the regular season, only to be shut down. Get there, and stay there, and earn the respect. Don't puff your chest out (not you specifically) before you've really accomplished anything...
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I understand what you're saying. I just disagree with your perceptions. ECAC's past performance (or BSU or RIT) has nothing to do with how good QU is this season. Now, they may not be the best team in the country, and they may not win a national championship; however, the Bobcats are a high quality team, and if they are ranked #1 this week, they will have earned it and deserve it. If they continue their high quality of play, they will be a team that is capable of winning the national championship.

Respect should be earned based on what you've done. QU can't control how Union only made the Frozen Four last year, or that Yale was upset by the eventual National Champion the year before. They can only control what they've done on the ice, and they've beaten some very good teams (more TUCs than any other team in the country) and played at a high quality level for the majority of the season.
 
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There is no avoiding the 38th "Strength of Schedule" ranking ............ it creates doubt ...... it will all become clear in March/April
 
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sonar said:
There is no avoiding the 38th "Strength of Schedule" ranking ............ it creates doubt ...... it will all become clear in March/April
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It depends on what SOS you use.

Quinnipiac's RPI SOS is 16th. By KRACH it is 36th. I think their 11 wins against TUCs is pretty impressive.

The problem with saying just wait until March/April is that teams are playing at different levels in January than they are in March/April. Which leads to an interesting question when doing the rankings, should you rank based on current play, or based on where you think teams will end up (or some other variation)?

What bugs me, is that a lot of people just assume Quinnipiac isn't deserving of the #1 ranking in January (meaningless for sure, other than hype for a program) because of how other teams performed in the NCAA Tournament in previous seasons.
 
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Mile High Hockey said:
It depends on what SOS you use.

Quinnipiac's RPI SOS is 16th. By KRACH it is 36th. I think their 11 wins against TUCs is pretty impressive.

The problem with saying just wait until March/April is that teams are playing at different levels in January than they are in March/April. Which leads to an interesting question when doing the rankings, should you rank based on current play, or based on where you think teams will end up (or some other variation)?

What bugs me, is that a lot of people just assume Quinnipiac isn't deserving of the #1 ranking in January (meaningless for sure, other than hype for a program) because of how other teams performed in the NCAA Tournament in previous seasons.
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What bugs me is that fans demand respect because of a (right now) flash in the pan season, and they haven't won crap yet. Go ahead, crown Quinnipiac as a #1 team. Big whoop. Merrimack was a #1 team, too, at some point recently. Wheeeee.
 
Re: New #1 Team

Mile High Hockey said:
It depends on what SOS you use.

Quinnipiac's RPI SOS is 16th. By KRACH it is 36th. I think their 11 wins against TUCs is pretty impressive.

The problem with saying just wait until March/April is that teams are playing at different levels in January than they are in March/April. Which leads to an interesting question when doing the rankings, should you rank based on current play, or based on where you think teams will end up (or some other variation)?

What bugs me, is that a lot of people just assume Quinnipiac isn't deserving of the #1 ranking in January (meaningless for sure, other than hype for a program) because of how other teams performed in the NCAA Tournament in previous seasons.
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I'm curious, why do you even care about the #1 spot? It's bad juju.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
I'm curious, why do you even care about the #1 spot? It's bad juju.
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Again, I'm not a Quinnipiac fan. I don't care if they are ranked 1st or 59th. I just dislike the "fans" here that discount Quinnipiac's season because of previous ECAC team's performance. It would be as ridiculous as saying that Minnesota wasn't deserving of the #1 ranking because North Dakota crapped the bed against Michigan and BC in the past.

Also, I find it hilarious that "fans" rip on a team that they've probably never even seen play. Of course, that goes back to equating past performance of a conference with current performance of a team. I certainly understand being skeptical of the team. I don't think I'll pick Quinnipiac to win the National Championship...barring significant changes. However, in my opinion, who is going to win the national championship in April and who is deserving of a #1 ranking currently are two separate questions. Do I think Quinnipiac is deserving of the #1 ranking right now, in January? Yes. If you don't, that's fine. I'm also not saying that there aren't several teams deserving of the #1 ranking.
 
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