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NCAA Tourney Team Selection Options
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John J. MacInnes
Coach Emeritus
Here's a good one for you, imagine you're on the committee and have these two blind resumes:
These teams have one common opponent, and each lost both times to that team.
Team A
16 wins
2-1 in OT
2-2 in shootouts
4 wins against teams with record of .500 or better
Team B
17 wins
2-0 in OT
0-1 in shootouts
3 wins against teams with record of .500 or better
One of these teams is considered a tourney lock. The other is considered to need a conference tourney win to get the autobid. Now without looking up the teams, figure out who makes the field and who doesn't.
These teams have one common opponent, and each lost both times to that team.
Team A
16 wins
2-1 in OT
2-2 in shootouts
4 wins against teams with record of .500 or better
Team B
17 wins
2-0 in OT
0-1 in shootouts
3 wins against teams with record of .500 or better
One of these teams is considered a tourney lock. The other is considered to need a conference tourney win to get the autobid. Now without looking up the teams, figure out who makes the field and who doesn't.
Hockey John
Registered User
And that team that beat both teams listed above is also on the bubble.
How many losses does each team have? If one is 16-2 and the other is 17-10, that makes a difference. Also, on the “wins over .500,” there is a difference between winning four games against 9-8 teams and four games against teams say 16-7. What are the actual records of the over .500 teams each beat?
So my curiosity got the better of me. I assume we’re talking about Quinnipiac as the lock at 16 wins and MTU on the bubble with 17?
Yeah, honestly I’m not impressed with QU’s performance this year. I think they’re a lock because I think the ECAC team gets an entry and I don’t see them losing. But if they drop a game this weekend and don’t win their tourney, they could easily get bounced by someone like BG who beat them.
The problem I see with Tech is that 14 of their 17 wins are against terrible teams.
If QU gets bounced from their tournament, I think they’re in for an interesting comparison against teams like Tech and BG. I just don’t see it happening.
Yeah, honestly I’m not impressed with QU’s performance this year. I think they’re a lock because I think the ECAC team gets an entry and I don’t see them losing. But if they drop a game this weekend and don’t win their tourney, they could easily get bounced by someone like BG who beat them.
The problem I see with Tech is that 14 of their 17 wins are against terrible teams.
If QU gets bounced from their tournament, I think they’re in for an interesting comparison against teams like Tech and BG. I just don’t see it happening.
MagnessMan
D-1 Hockey Nut
This is going to be the strangest post season ever--on the heels of the strangest regular season ever.
A few observations. The Sioux and the Eagles are hands down the deepest teams out there.
The one and done structure of the conference tournys could lead to the largest imbalance in NC$$ tourny history.
The fact that several regionals may not include fans is killing me (I hear the jokes coming already)
Covid protocols could shrink a field of 16. Do you pick a few alternates for the first round--especially if CC sneaks in (I've lost count how many times they've gone down).
I suspect the committee will do something creative to replace PWR--not involving the much loved media poll leading to a couple of valid surprises.
A few observations. The Sioux and the Eagles are hands down the deepest teams out there.
The one and done structure of the conference tournys could lead to the largest imbalance in NC$$ tourny history.
The fact that several regionals may not include fans is killing me (I hear the jokes coming already)
Covid protocols could shrink a field of 16. Do you pick a few alternates for the first round--especially if CC sneaks in (I've lost count how many times they've gone down).
I suspect the committee will do something creative to replace PWR--not involving the much loved media poll leading to a couple of valid surprises.
Good thing a blind resume would never happen, so this exercise is useless.
John J. MacInnes
Coach Emeritus
Yeah, it's so much better when you pick teams on their names rather than on their merits or lack thereof.
John J. MacInnes
Coach Emeritus
And 12 of QU's wins are against terrible teams. Their only real quality wins are against AIC.
If they get an autobid, fine. But in no way should they be considered as an at-large.
After watching both teams, QU is not better. The eye test will be crucial. If the last bid were to come down to these two, I'd be interested to hear the rationale on why the committee would select them.
If it comes down to MTU and QU for an at-large bid, I don't like your chances. The primary reason is QU is from the east, and honestly we're going to be a little short of eastern teams this year, given that the AHA normally gets only one, the ECAC has so few teams and HE is a scrambled mess. I just don't see them taking 10 western teams and 6 eastern teams, which is what I see as the primary problem for teams like MTU, BSU, Notre Dame, maybe even Omaha.
My guess is nine teams from the west, seven from the east. In the east it will be four from HE. If the AHA and ECAC go chalk, the ninth team will be between Clarkson, maybe Army or RIT or maybe a fifth HE team.
In the west, six are pretty much locks (UND, SCSU, UMD, MSU, MN, Wis) and the last three will be between Omaha/NCHC upset autobid, Michigan/B1G upset autobid, and a big glut of WCHA teams. It wouldn't shock me to see the west go 3,3,3, especially if Omaha continues to falter down the stretch and there are no upset tourney winners.
SCSUBlackandRed
New member
Anyone see what happens if CC can't play in the conference tourney due to Covid? As much as I'd hate to see things easier for UND, seems like it would make sense for them to get a bye in the first round and then Miami plays the #2 seed.
I really don't know what other solution there would be, other than maybe just bagging the whole tourney.
If they decided to discard Miami and just play with six teams, well then you're handing out two byes, so why not give everyone a shot and hand out just one bye. You could reduce it down to the top four teams, except that both WMU and DU are currently perceived as two teams very capable of making a run, winning the tourney and getting the autobid, so I don't think the conference wants to interfere with that.
manurespreader
Still upright
Why does there have to be a west and east attached to any of the teams. why not pick without regard to location or league. ? If I was Omaha and some random Eastern team like say, Clarkson got in and I didn't, I'd be pretty unhappy.
Even more than ever, the committee has been instructed to limit travel. My question would be, will the committee factor in geographic proximity to regional site when picking the last couple at large spots or will they just pick what they think is the best field and then figure it out.
manurespreader
Still upright
BTW, watching the LSSU vs BSU game last night those were two very good hockey teams. Anyone who plays either one will have their hands full.
SCSUBlackandRed
New member
You left out a lot of valuable information there. Hovey caught most of it. I'd say total wins and losses against .500 or better teams also should be considered.
And I wouldn't put Tech as needing to win their conference tourney but they better get at least a split against Mankato this weekend and I'd argue better make it to the WCHA finals, but don't think they'd have to win it. If it plays out they finish behind the other teams they are chasing in the WCHA (Bowling Green, LSSU and could be Bemidji), they aren't going to be considered. They would be on the wrong side of the head-to-heads in all of those matchups.
Five selections from the WCHA nor any other conference is happening this year. Four is unlikely for a conference that normally only gets two but I think three is a real possibility.
And I do think in a year like this one, a regular season conference champion (you get one champion AHA, don't care about your pods) even if they don't look as strong to everyone on paper, gets a bid. That's why Quinnipiac is a "lock" to get in and I'd argue AIC should be as well.