redhawkman10
Behind the bench
Re: NCAA Tourney Format Changing?
oo oo, how about we just do a shoot out instead!!!
oo oo, how about we just do a shoot out instead!!!
USCHO Fan Forum
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
-
The USCHO Fan Forum has migrated to a new plaform, xenForo. Most of the function of the forum should work in familiar ways. Please note that you can switch between light and dark modes by clicking on the gear icon in the upper right of the main menu bar. We are hoping that this new platform will prove to be faster and more reliable. Please feel free to explore its features.
NCAA Tourney Format Changing?
- Thread starter brianvf
- Start date
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: NCAA Tourney Format Changing?
Come on, seriously? If they get upset once in a while, it's not the end of the world. If they get to host a best-of-three series, the chances of an upset drop precipitously. It's not like they're regularly getting beaten by the winds of chance.
Powers &8^]
Come on, seriously? If they get upset once in a while, it's not the end of the world. If they get to host a best-of-three series, the chances of an upset drop precipitously. It's not like they're regularly getting beaten by the winds of chance.
Powers &8^]
TigerFan86-87
R!!!!...I!!!!!...T!!!!!!
Re: NCAA Tourney Format Changing?
The only problem with a Friday is that you have to either play the early game while everyone is still at work or the late game after many have gone to bed - bad for ratings either way.
The only problem with a Friday is that you have to either play the early game while everyone is still at work or the late game after many have gone to bed - bad for ratings either way.
TigerFan86-87
R!!!!...I!!!!!...T!!!!!!
Re: NCAA Tourney Format Changing?
The total goals is potentially exciting, but as was posted earlier could lead to either a hightly anti-climactic game #2 if one team gets a big win the first night, or a similar finish to game # 2 if the team that "wins" game # 1 by a couple goals gets an early 2 or 3 goal lead in game # 2.
If the desire would be to eliminate the uncertainty of a potential game # 3, they could always use the old D-III method of the "Best of 2" that was used for many years. Basically it rewards the team with the most points in two games (2 points for win, 1 for tie with either limited or no overtime). If both teams have 2 points at the end of the two games, they play a full 15 or 20 minute Mini-game, winner take all. If the mini-game is tied, play sudden death periods until there's a winner. It wasn't ideal, but it did get rid of the possible Sunday game # 3.
The total goals is potentially exciting, but as was posted earlier could lead to either a hightly anti-climactic game #2 if one team gets a big win the first night, or a similar finish to game # 2 if the team that "wins" game # 1 by a couple goals gets an early 2 or 3 goal lead in game # 2.
If the desire would be to eliminate the uncertainty of a potential game # 3, they could always use the old D-III method of the "Best of 2" that was used for many years. Basically it rewards the team with the most points in two games (2 points for win, 1 for tie with either limited or no overtime). If both teams have 2 points at the end of the two games, they play a full 15 or 20 minute Mini-game, winner take all. If the mini-game is tied, play sudden death periods until there's a winner. It wasn't ideal, but it did get rid of the possible Sunday game # 3.
JF_Gophers
2147483647
Re: NCAA Tourney Format Changing?
Did you really just bring up ratings? As if college hockey has any ratings.
Did you really just bring up ratings? As if college hockey has any ratings.
TigerFan86-87
R!!!!...I!!!!!...T!!!!!!
Re: NCAA Tourney Format Changing?
Point taken.
So instead of a potential 0.02 rating, they'd only get a 0.01 rating.
I just want to be able to watch, myself. I really don't care who else is watching.
Point taken.
So instead of a potential 0.02 rating, they'd only get a 0.01 rating.
I just want to be able to watch, myself. I really don't care who else is watching.
Re: NCAA Tourney Format Changing?
I am truly ecstatic that this is being proposed. It would immediately remedy the poor attendance and lack of buzz that has been growing progressively worse at the regionals.
I even wouldn't mind seeing a total goals series implemented.
I'm sick of people suggesting that college hockey should be, and the NCAA attempting to make college hockey, a main stream sport with national appeal. This is college hockey, and screw trying to make it fit into that "tried and true"
mold of college basketball. If people don't get turned on by the excitement, intensity, and electric arenas, then I really don't care if they take no interest in "our" sport.
Certainly, it will be more difficult for the games to be nationally televised in this format. But so what? I would trade being able to watch every single game for being able to watch a few games in packed, rowdy houses. That's what gets people hooked on the sport anyway.
I also really agree with the folks who tout this as a way to reward the teams that have put together a quality regular season. College hockey is more prone to underdog wins than any other sport I have witnessed. When you couple that with the fact that over 1/4 of all teams get to play in the national tournament, it makes the regular season seem a bit insignificant.
Although can you imagine the *****ing that will go on when DU, Wisco, UND, or MN finish 9th in the PWR and Cornell finishes 8th
I am truly ecstatic that this is being proposed. It would immediately remedy the poor attendance and lack of buzz that has been growing progressively worse at the regionals.
I even wouldn't mind seeing a total goals series implemented.
I'm sick of people suggesting that college hockey should be, and the NCAA attempting to make college hockey, a main stream sport with national appeal. This is college hockey, and screw trying to make it fit into that "tried and true"
mold of college basketball. If people don't get turned on by the excitement, intensity, and electric arenas, then I really don't care if they take no interest in "our" sport. Certainly, it will be more difficult for the games to be nationally televised in this format. But so what? I would trade being able to watch every single game for being able to watch a few games in packed, rowdy houses. That's what gets people hooked on the sport anyway.
I also really agree with the folks who tout this as a way to reward the teams that have put together a quality regular season. College hockey is more prone to underdog wins than any other sport I have witnessed. When you couple that with the fact that over 1/4 of all teams get to play in the national tournament, it makes the regular season seem a bit insignificant.
Although can you imagine the *****ing that will go on when DU, Wisco, UND, or MN finish 9th in the PWR and Cornell finishes 8th
Re: NCAA Tourney Format Changing?
This certainly seems like an interesting idea, but there is a trade off. I would assume that attendance would be even less for the "super regional" games, as they would be even further from most schools (for instance, if Fort Wayne and Albany were eliminated this year, that is an extreme distance between Minnesota and Massachusetts), plus you would only be going to see your school for one game. I know that theoretically that is all you are guaranteed even in todays format, but everyone still hopes that they get to see their team twice. I'd gladly welcome teams to Oxford as long as they aren't named BC or BU, but I'm not a fan of the round of 8 potential right now.
This certainly seems like an interesting idea, but there is a trade off. I would assume that attendance would be even less for the "super regional" games, as they would be even further from most schools (for instance, if Fort Wayne and Albany were eliminated this year, that is an extreme distance between Minnesota and Massachusetts), plus you would only be going to see your school for one game. I know that theoretically that is all you are guaranteed even in todays format, but everyone still hopes that they get to see their team twice. I'd gladly welcome teams to Oxford as long as they aren't named BC or BU, but I'm not a fan of the round of 8 potential right now.
Re: NCAA Tourney Format Changing?
Facility rental has to be *the* major expense for the tournament as a whole, so this would have a significant impact. Yes, I know that technically the organizing committees rent the facilities and pay the NCAA out of their revenues, but at the end of the day, if that cost weren't there, then the NCAA's cut would go up.
I agree - attendance at the round of 8 would be horrible, and the NCAA surely must know this. The question is whether the benefits to the round of 16 outweigh that negative side.
This alone is enough to make me support this idea. The idea that MN, not to mention UM, might actually have to -gasp- travel east is priceless.Although can you imagine the *****ing that will go on when DU, Wisco, UND, or MN finish 9th in the PWR and Cornell finishes 8th
Clearly one big cost that goes away is rental of two regional facilities (4 currently down to 2 in the new format), plus only having to rent the Superegional facilities for 1 day instead of 2. Or, to put it another way, the current format requires rental of 8 arena-days, whereas the proposed format only requires 2 arena-days. So even if attendance (and therefore revenue) dropped by 25% or more from the current regionals, the NCAA still comes out ahead.
Facility rental has to be *the* major expense for the tournament as a whole, so this would have a significant impact. Yes, I know that technically the organizing committees rent the facilities and pay the NCAA out of their revenues, but at the end of the day, if that cost weren't there, then the NCAA's cut would go up.
Re: NCAA Tourney Format Changing?
Also, what if, say, Miami hosted a Super Regional and got bounced in the first game. How many people on campus are going to see a potential Boston College vs. Maine regional final matchup in Oxford, OH? I think this idea has failure written all over it.
Also, what if, say, Miami hosted a Super Regional and got bounced in the first game. How many people on campus are going to see a potential Boston College vs. Maine regional final matchup in Oxford, OH? I think this idea has failure written all over it.
Re: NCAA Tourney Format Changing?
My guess is the super regionals would be assigned to bigger metro areas near at least two schools. St. Paul, Detroit, and Boston would be logical choices given their proximity to the WCHA, CCHA, and HE schools.
Why the hell would Miami be hosting a super regional?
My guess is the super regionals would be assigned to bigger metro areas near at least two schools. St. Paul, Detroit, and Boston would be logical choices given their proximity to the WCHA, CCHA, and HE schools.
G
Gurtholfin
Guest
Re: NCAA Tourney Format Changing?
I've got a woody just thinking about a three game first round series. Even if it were on the road in some s-h-i-t dump shed out east such as, I don't know, say Lynah.
But here's a thought... How about a 3 game series for round 2 also?
This would almost guarantee a very deserving FF, would eliminate the attendance issues at the Regionals and would create a ton of buzz locally for the teams involved. The extra weekend needed is already built into the schedule, so that wouldn't be an issue. Why am I not on that committee?
Yes, I realize that it would also all but eliminate any hope for a great story such as BSU 2 years ago and RIT this year, but the upside could be huge. Plus, while it's fun to see early round upsets, the reality is that the lower seeded teams have very little chance of actually finishing the deal.
P.S. No total goals series.
I've got a woody just thinking about a three game first round series. Even if it were on the road in some s-h-i-t dump shed out east such as, I don't know, say Lynah.
But here's a thought... How about a 3 game series for round 2 also?
This would almost guarantee a very deserving FF, would eliminate the attendance issues at the Regionals and would create a ton of buzz locally for the teams involved. The extra weekend needed is already built into the schedule, so that wouldn't be an issue. Why am I not on that committee?
Yes, I realize that it would also all but eliminate any hope for a great story such as BSU 2 years ago and RIT this year, but the upside could be huge. Plus, while it's fun to see early round upsets, the reality is that the lower seeded teams have very little chance of actually finishing the deal.
P.S. No total goals series.
Last edited:
Re: NCAA Tourney Format Changing?
What I read about the super regionals is they would be like the NCAA baseball tournament and stay on campus. If they did move these to larger venues, they aren't going to sell out anything in Boston, Detroit, or St. Paul. Theyd still end up in a Worcester or Ft. Wayne.
What I read about the super regionals is they would be like the NCAA baseball tournament and stay on campus. If they did move these to larger venues, they aren't going to sell out anything in Boston, Detroit, or St. Paul. Theyd still end up in a Worcester or Ft. Wayne.
moose97
New member
Re: NCAA Tourney Format Changing?
Let's hypothetically say that Miami did host a "super-regional." Just have two games on Friday or two games Saturday. So last year @ Miami, you would have Wisconsin/SCSU @ 5 p.m. and Miami/Michigan @ 8 p.m. - and it's one ticket, like the regionals are currently for the semifinal rd. Maybe you don't get a full house for the 5 p.m. game, but it wouldn't be as bad as it is now. Besides - what's the motivation to have the home team play first? That makes no sense to me (see the Minnesota rule in the Final 5).
Now, as to campus sites for super-regionals, I haven't read that anywhere. In fact, every story I've read is quoting Brad Scholssman, Here's his article, and here's his quote about the super-regionals:
I don't read anything in that about campus sites (or neutral sites for that matter). I think that since the first part is specifically about campus sites, it's safe to speculate that the super regionals wouldn't be on campus since it isn't mentioned. You'd think that would be addressed if it were on campus...
Let's hypothetically say that Miami did host a "super-regional." Just have two games on Friday or two games Saturday. So last year @ Miami, you would have Wisconsin/SCSU @ 5 p.m. and Miami/Michigan @ 8 p.m. - and it's one ticket, like the regionals are currently for the semifinal rd. Maybe you don't get a full house for the 5 p.m. game, but it wouldn't be as bad as it is now. Besides - what's the motivation to have the home team play first? That makes no sense to me (see the Minnesota rule in the Final 5).
Now, as to campus sites for super-regionals, I haven't read that anywhere. In fact, every story I've read is quoting Brad Scholssman, Here's his article, and here's his quote about the super-regionals:
I don't read anything in that about campus sites (or neutral sites for that matter). I think that since the first part is specifically about campus sites, it's safe to speculate that the super regionals wouldn't be on campus since it isn't mentioned. You'd think that would be addressed if it were on campus...
Last edited:
manurespreader
Still upright
Re: NCAA Tourney Format Changing?
It's just my opinion but giving the higher seed the advantage of both a home game and a 3 game series is too much.
The real problem here as I see it is that there is no attendance at the regional games and the NCAA loses money, or at least does not make much.I think the rest of the reasons are just eyewash.
Look at the places we play these games. Right now we force teams like DU or UND or whoever to travel to the east. I mean regularly we have Albany and Worcester as both the Mideast and East. As far as I'm concerned these are both really East games. we might as well play them in the same rink, they are so close.
Worcester's rink sucks and Albany is not really an improvement. So if we could find a way to boost the atmosphere and reduce travel that would be good and also reward the teams like DU that play well all year.
now it's just an idea, but if we routinely had the regionals in venues where there was most likely going to be atmosphere, Say The Fleet center, or Joe Louis, or the Pepsi Center, or XCEL, and if we had them there every year for say 5 or 6 years straight, wouldn't we preserve at least some neutrality for teams like DU and at the same time boost revenue and fun as well.
I'm not sure I like the 3 game set up, and 3 games at home guarantees, imho that the home team moves on.
It's just my opinion but giving the higher seed the advantage of both a home game and a 3 game series is too much.
The real problem here as I see it is that there is no attendance at the regional games and the NCAA loses money, or at least does not make much.I think the rest of the reasons are just eyewash.
Look at the places we play these games. Right now we force teams like DU or UND or whoever to travel to the east. I mean regularly we have Albany and Worcester as both the Mideast and East. As far as I'm concerned these are both really East games. we might as well play them in the same rink, they are so close.
Worcester's rink sucks and Albany is not really an improvement. So if we could find a way to boost the atmosphere and reduce travel that would be good and also reward the teams like DU that play well all year.
now it's just an idea, but if we routinely had the regionals in venues where there was most likely going to be atmosphere, Say The Fleet center, or Joe Louis, or the Pepsi Center, or XCEL, and if we had them there every year for say 5 or 6 years straight, wouldn't we preserve at least some neutrality for teams like DU and at the same time boost revenue and fun as well.
I'm not sure I like the 3 game set up, and 3 games at home guarantees, imho that the home team moves on.
Re: NCAA Tourney Format Changing?
Amen.
This is the best aspect of all of this new idea (which I'm guessing will never see the light of day). I find it distressing that so little regard is paid to the regular season. I am tired of the sentiment, expressed so often, that "I don't care what my team does in the regular season so long as they make it to the (one-and-done) NCAA tournament". I find this thinking incomprehensible. This new format would increase the value of all the effort the team puts into the regular season.
I'm sick of people suggesting that college hockey should be, and the NCAA attempting to make college hockey, a main stream sport with national appeal. This is college hockey, and screw trying to make it fit into that "tried and true"
Amen.
This is the best aspect of all of this new idea (which I'm guessing will never see the light of day). I find it distressing that so little regard is paid to the regular season. I am tired of the sentiment, expressed so often, that "I don't care what my team does in the regular season so long as they make it to the (one-and-done) NCAA tournament". I find this thinking incomprehensible. This new format would increase the value of all the effort the team puts into the regular season.
Re: NCAA Tourney Format Changing?
How about just have 2 "Mega-Regionals", one in the east and one in the west (8 teams per regional, all single elimination). Hold it from Thursday to Sunday. That would probably be the best way to maximize attendance.
How about just have 2 "Mega-Regionals", one in the east and one in the west (8 teams per regional, all single elimination). Hold it from Thursday to Sunday. That would probably be the best way to maximize attendance.
Re: NCAA Tourney Format Changing?
It's been tried. From the 1991-92 season through the 2001-02 season, 6 teams were sent to both an East and West regional. Attendance sucked unless the regional happened to be played on the home ice of one of the participants, like Michigan or Minnesota.
It's been tried. From the 1991-92 season through the 2001-02 season, 6 teams were sent to both an East and West regional. Attendance sucked unless the regional happened to be played on the home ice of one of the participants, like Michigan or Minnesota.