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Jimjamesak said:
The Arizona State Police have opened an investigation into the incident. Though I’m still skeptical that anything will actually come out of it.
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Ooooh, the AZ state boys! I'm sure the university brass are quaking in their boots. /sarc

The only guy who maybe needs to worry about the cops is the former DI who ran the "practice". AHAHAHAHA! Kidding, obv.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
I am confident that if it were a football player in this situation, this would already be in the state-level press (possibly even national) and there would be a formal investigation launched.

Because it's not a revenue sport, they're delaying and hoping it blows over. That's why the family has already retained a firebrand.
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There are three articles on ESPN.com


I haven't read them, but looked it up just to even see if its on their radar. I don't recall hearing anything on any of the ESPN shows I've seen.
 
Jimjamesak said:
I think the fact that ASU’s athletic department has completely closed ranks and gone radio silence is concerning.
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Got to be careful stating anything concerning a player's health due to HIPAA & plaintiff lawyer going offensive after deep pockets.
My experience is that 85F, relatively low humidity is not that bad. I and many other students worked in 100 F to 115 F, M-F all summer, outdoors, carrying bricks, block, cement, concrete. ASU football games and training are held at 100F - 105F every August through early October. I can't ever recall anyone dying. Heat exhaustion was occasionally encountered, only saw heat stroke once over the years but that was aggravated by alcohol consumption.
 
Jimjamesak said:
Oh it would be all over ESPN if it was football.

I can see two ways that this blows up:

1. A player revolt. I could see the players at ASU being upset enough about this situation that they refuse to play. Probably a bit of a long shot but it’s possible. Correct me if I’m wrong, but there’s nothing stopping a player from jumping back to a CHL team (besides age obviously) and then going to a different school next year right? It’d take 10-12 players doing something like that but it’s possible.

2. The NHL gets involved. For as shitty as the NHL can be I doubt they’d like their draft picks ruined by institutions with shitty practices.
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Additional ways:
3. Investigation shows that neither Clarkson, Blues, ASU, CHL picked up a health issue with their player & prospect physicals.
4. Numerous other outcomes depending upon details that aren't currently released due to HIPPA and defense attorney recommendations.
5. Payoff by ASU to the family as litigation costs could be much more expensive, regardless of guilt.
6. ASU shown to be totally responsible with resultant firings, civil and criminal charges.
 
MichVandal said:
There are three articles on ESPN.com


I haven't read them, but looked it up just to even see if its on their radar. I don't recall hearing anything on any of the ESPN shows I've seen.
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ESPN is only slightly aware that college hockey exists beyond Frozen Four weekend.
 
Sol Diablo said:
Additional ways:
3. Investigation shows that neither Clarkson, Blues, ASU, CHL picked up a health issue with their player & prospect physicals.
4. Numerous other outcomes depending upon details that aren't currently released due to HIPPA and defense attorney recommendations.
5. Payoff by ASU to the family as litigation costs could be much more expensive, regardless of guilt.
6. ASU shown to be totally responsible with resultant firings, civil and criminal charges.
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How does that boot taste buddy? I know you’re an ASU fan but JFC try looking at the situation objectively.
 
Sol Diablo said:
My experience is that 85F, relatively low humidity is not that bad. I and many other students worked in 100 F to 115 F, M-F all summer, outdoors, carrying bricks, block, cement, concrete. ASU football games and training are held at 100F - 105F every August through early October. I can't ever recall anyone dying. Heat exhaustion was occasionally encountered, only saw heat stroke once over the years but that was aggravated by alcohol consumption.
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I’m not yet convinced ASU or any staff need to be punished, but…

87 in AZ at 8 in the morning to someone not acclimated to the climate can be awful, but not as awful as this take. Cripes.
 
state of hockey said:
I’m not yet convinced ASU or any staff need to be punished, but…

87 in AZ at 8 in the morning to someone not acclimated to the climate can be awful, but not as awful as this take. Cripes.
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If it was being run on field turf the actual temp would be at least 10 degrees warmer than that. But even still, the idea that 87 degrees isn't hot enough or 1 hour isn't long enough for a person, even a serious athlete, to experience heat illness is just ignorant. Which is why it is imperative for those running and in charge to take precautions (like ample hydration) and be vigilant and prepared to take action if an emergency arises.

All the reporting indicates that didn't happen here.
 
Bronco said:
If the worst things I have heard are true, being denied water breaks, then people need to go to prison.
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That won't happen. Coaches are celebrated for things like this. When we played at Mount St Charles (good lord, 30 years ago) they had hundreds of copies of a Pro Jo piece about legendary coach Bill Belisle. Among the information in the article is how even Bobby Orr wasn't allowed in the locker room and had to wait outside to meet a player. But the highlight was after a road loss to Toll Gate, the team returned at around midnight. The coach told all the players to go put their gear back on. When they came out from the locker room there was a bucket on each faceoff dot. "Skate until all the buckets are full." Then he went outside and told the parents waiting for their sons that they should go home and get some sleep because "they'll be busy a while." And MSC bragged about this.

When I was in high school a kid from another team took a stupid penalty. While he was sitting in the box, the coach came over, picked him up by his shoulders so his feet were dangling, and screamed at him. The parents applauded the coach.

And then of course there's Bear Bryant, whose summer practice at Texas A&M was brutal.
 
Stauber1 said:
If it was being run on field turf the actual temp would be at least 10 degrees warmer than that. But even still, the idea that 87 degrees isn't hot enough or 1 hour isn't long enough for a person, even a serious athlete, to experience heat illness is just ignorant. Which is why it is imperative for those running and in charge to take precautions (like ample hydration) and be vigilant and prepared to take action if an emergency arises.

All the reporting indicates that didn't happen here.
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Not to mention expecting anyone, even a D1 athlete, to be fully acclimatized in less than a week is ridiculous.
 
state of hockey said:
I’m not yet convinced ASU or any staff need to be punished, but…

87 in AZ at 8 in the morning to someone not acclimated to the climate can be awful, but not as awful as this take. Cripes.
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Agreed, there is a lot of hearsay, 2nd hand forwarded comments made by a lawsuit happy lawyer. Let's see what the facts are.
 
ticapnews said:
That won't happen. Coaches are celebrated for things like this. When we played at Mount St Charles (good lord, 30 years ago) they had hundreds of copies of a Pro Jo piece about legendary coach Bill Belisle. Among the information in the article is how even Bobby Orr wasn't allowed in the locker room and had to wait outside to meet a player. But the highlight was after a road loss to Toll Gate, the team returned at around midnight. The coach told all the players to go put their gear back on. When they came out from the locker room there was a bucket on each faceoff dot. "Skate until all the buckets are full." Then he went outside and told the parents waiting for their sons that they should go home and get some sleep because "they'll be busy a while." And MSC bragged about this.

When I was in high school a kid from another team took a stupid penalty. While he was sitting in the box, the coach came over, picked him up by his shoulders so his feet were dangling, and screamed at him. The parents applauded the coach.

And then of course there's Bear Bryant, whose summer practice at Texas A&M was brutal.
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Just because it has been done doesn't mean it's a good thing. let alone, making players puke in a hockey rink where they probably can get fluids isn't quite the same as working out outside, in the desert, without water.

And the second point- the whole "no pain, no gain" work out is BS. Plenty of studies have shown that. I know I figured that out about 25 years ago when I started working out with a HR monitor. For the right workout, keeping the HR in a aerobic zone got me in better shape faster than the same workout as deep in the anaerobic zone as much as possible. Yes, doing anaerobic workout is needed, but not constantly. And for sure not when it's really hot and when you are being deprived of water.

Don't care at all that Bear Bryant did it back in the day. He was a fool and would have been better had he filtered it and timed the hard part correctly.
 
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