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National Championship: Union vs. Minnesota (Choaches stay out of it!)
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Re: National Championship: Union vs. Minnesota (Choaches stay out of it!)
Somehow I find that hard to believe. You don't raz people that cheer against your school?
Agreed that it is an individual choice, but I've made mine and can't understand why you'd go the other way. Just doesn't compute for me. Again, you can have allegiance to 2 different teams for different reasons. No issue there. I still follow the current WCHA team from the town I grew up. It's just which one wins out in the end and for me the answer is always the same.
Somehow I find that hard to believe. You don't raz people that cheer against your school?
Agreed that it is an individual choice, but I've made mine and can't understand why you'd go the other way. Just doesn't compute for me. Again, you can have allegiance to 2 different teams for different reasons. No issue there. I still follow the current WCHA team from the town I grew up. It's just which one wins out in the end and for me the answer is always the same.
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Gurtholfin
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Re: National Championship: Union vs. Minnesota (Choaches stay out of it!)
Not if they're from Minnesota (or wherever). Honestly. Do I give them crap (and receive it in kind) for being Minnesota fans? Of course. But not because they are UW alums (or going there although I don't know too many students anymore) rooting for the Gophers.
And no, you cannot have allegiance to two teams that are rivals. Ever. Under any circumstances. This is not a grey area.
Somehow I find that hard to believe. You don't raz people that cheer against your school?
Agreed that it is an individual choice, but I've made mine and can't understand why you'd go the other way. Just doesn't compute for me. Again, you can have allegiance to 2 different teams for different reasons. No issue there. I still follow the current WCHA team from the town I grew up. It's just which one wins out in the end and for me the answer is always the same.
Not if they're from Minnesota (or wherever). Honestly. Do I give them crap (and receive it in kind) for being Minnesota fans? Of course. But not because they are UW alums (or going there although I don't know too many students anymore) rooting for the Gophers.
And no, you cannot have allegiance to two teams that are rivals. Ever. Under any circumstances. This is not a grey area.
Go4PuckFan2.0
The Dude Abides
Was raised a devout Gopher hockey fan.
Attended the University of Wisconsin for 5 years.
Watched, and died a little, the Gopher/Badger '83 national title tilt in a house lousy with Badger fans who spared little consolation to their Gopher roommate.
They remain among my best friends to this day.
Re: National Championship: Union vs. Minnesota (Choaches stay out of it!)
You're wrong quite frequently. So I guess adding one or two more things to the list shouldn't be that surprising.
Not if they're from Minnesota (or wherever). Honestly. Do I give them crap (and receive it in kind) for being Minnesota fans? Of course. But not because they are UW alums (or going there although I don't know too many students anymore) rooting for the Gophers.
And no, you cannot have allegiance to two teams that are rivals. Ever. Under any circumstances. This is not a grey area.
You're wrong quite frequently. So I guess adding one or two more things to the list shouldn't be that surprising.
Re: National Championship: Union vs. Minnesota (Choaches stay out of it!)
We support the same team, so you can be above the rules.
We support the same team, so you can be above the rules.
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Gurtholfin
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Re: National Championship: Union vs. Minnesota (Choaches stay out of it!)
All of my roommates were from the cities.
Went through the 92 (?) first round where the North Stars ousted the President's Trophy winning Blackhawks with them. They were somewhat gracious - but I was crushed and hated them more and more as the North Stars advanced.
They endured me when the Badgers won the 1990 NCAA title.
I endured a Twins WS - although truth told I've never hated the Twins.
They were also all on my bar league hockey team (how we met). We went on spring break together. A couple of them introduced me to the Boundary Waters - a place that I have returned to many times since...
I've lost touch with most of them over the years, but we got on great. Living in Wisconsin did nothing though to change any of their sports allegiances.
EDIT: One other thing in regards to the roommates. I was always struck by how (quietly & confidently) proud they were of where they came from. Not just the state, but each city or town whether it be New Prague, Burnsville, Apple Valley etc.
That seems to be a common trait of Minnesotans that I don't always see in other folks.
All of my roommates were from the cities.
Went through the 92 (?) first round where the North Stars ousted the President's Trophy winning Blackhawks with them. They were somewhat gracious - but I was crushed and hated them more and more as the North Stars advanced.
They endured me when the Badgers won the 1990 NCAA title.
I endured a Twins WS - although truth told I've never hated the Twins.
They were also all on my bar league hockey team (how we met). We went on spring break together. A couple of them introduced me to the Boundary Waters - a place that I have returned to many times since...
I've lost touch with most of them over the years, but we got on great. Living in Wisconsin did nothing though to change any of their sports allegiances.
EDIT: One other thing in regards to the roommates. I was always struck by how (quietly & confidently) proud they were of where they came from. Not just the state, but each city or town whether it be New Prague, Burnsville, Apple Valley etc.
That seems to be a common trait of Minnesotans that I don't always see in other folks.
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Re: National Championship: Union vs. Minnesota (Choaches stay out of it!)
I am not sure if that's it, or if people that go regularly realize it for what it is - a sporting event, and not some life altering experience???
I have been to all but four Frozen Fours since 1989 (yes, I am 2-2 watching the Gophers in the finals) and have met some great people over the years. From all over. Most are just fine, but there are interesting individuals from everywhere. It was a decidedly pro-Union house on Saturday, and I was fine with that. Same thing in Buffalo in 2003. Every body makes a choice.
For me personally, if my team isn't in it, I usually pick a favorite that I will root for. It usually goes by conference (yes, I have cheered for UMD, Wi, Denver and UND) but if that's not an option, it's usually whoever is playing against BC or Michigan!
What I fail to "get" is when fans of other schools choose to not only root against a school, but go out of their way to do it. Had some fans of a school talk to to us in the bar at Xfinity live before the game, and then find out they were three rows in front of us. Knew we were from Minny and never had anything but nice things to say at the bar, but proceeded to root against Minnesota (as opposed to rooting for Union) in the game. Even created a sign that they unfurled at the end of the game. That kind of venom makes absolutely no sense to me...
I am not sure if that's it, or if people that go regularly realize it for what it is - a sporting event, and not some life altering experience???
I have been to all but four Frozen Fours since 1989 (yes, I am 2-2 watching the Gophers in the finals) and have met some great people over the years. From all over. Most are just fine, but there are interesting individuals from everywhere. It was a decidedly pro-Union house on Saturday, and I was fine with that. Same thing in Buffalo in 2003. Every body makes a choice.
For me personally, if my team isn't in it, I usually pick a favorite that I will root for. It usually goes by conference (yes, I have cheered for UMD, Wi, Denver and UND) but if that's not an option, it's usually whoever is playing against BC or Michigan!
What I fail to "get" is when fans of other schools choose to not only root against a school, but go out of their way to do it. Had some fans of a school talk to to us in the bar at Xfinity live before the game, and then find out they were three rows in front of us. Knew we were from Minny and never had anything but nice things to say at the bar, but proceeded to root against Minnesota (as opposed to rooting for Union) in the game. Even created a sign that they unfurled at the end of the game. That kind of venom makes absolutely no sense to me...
BCeagle
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Re: National Championship: Union vs. Minnesota (Choaches stay out of it!)
Congratulations on a great season and looking forward to next season for more hockey. I think teams like BC, UND and UM who have been there and done it get less support with all their NCAAs whereas Union gets it because they have never won it. Always nice to see a new team win their 1st NCAA. Always good to see a large, excited crowd at the final and the game was great whoever won. I can't say Union was an underdog because they have a great team and were up there in the rankings. Union played their best hockey and beat 2 great programs in BC and UM.
Congratulations on a great season and looking forward to next season for more hockey. I think teams like BC, UND and UM who have been there and done it get less support with all their NCAAs whereas Union gets it because they have never won it. Always nice to see a new team win their 1st NCAA. Always good to see a large, excited crowd at the final and the game was great whoever won. I can't say Union was an underdog because they have a great team and were up there in the rankings. Union played their best hockey and beat 2 great programs in BC and UM.
gopher wes
Dammit, Gorilla!!
Re: National Championship: Union vs. Minnesota (Choaches stay out of it!)
I don't have time to read through this thread, but I just wanted to check in and say congrats to Union on a great season and the Natl Championship. You guys deserved it.
Gophers had a hell of a run this year and while I'm disappointed not to have won on Saturday, I am not embarrassed of the way the Gophers played all year long and I am still as proud as ever to be a Golden Gopher Hockey fan. Memories were made and I think there could be some great memories made in the future if this young squad sticks together for awhile.
I don't have time to read through this thread, but I just wanted to check in and say congrats to Union on a great season and the Natl Championship. You guys deserved it.
Gophers had a hell of a run this year and while I'm disappointed not to have won on Saturday, I am not embarrassed of the way the Gophers played all year long and I am still as proud as ever to be a Golden Gopher Hockey fan. Memories were made and I think there could be some great memories made in the future if this young squad sticks together for awhile.
Re: National Championship: Union vs. Minnesota (Choaches stay out of it!)
in Canada) and that comes across arrogant.
Of course you're not joking, and of course you're right on. If you strike up a conversation with a fan of another team in a bar of in the lobby of the hotel, you can usually find some common ground and engage in civil conversation or if not, you can avoid that topic. If you encounter someone on the internet, it's too easy to devolve. Think of any issue -- abortion, Obamacare, phonics, less filling or tastes great --and pretty much the same applies.You may think I'm joking, but I'm actually being quite serious. The same place where some of your "fans" get their bad reputation....The USCHO Fan Forum.
Yes, I think that the recruiting thing is one thing that some Minnesota fans have that differentiates them from fans of just any rival. That they have very successful teams recruiting exclusively in-state is notable (though I don't think it's the great feat that it's sometimes made out to be). Sometimes, though, some Minnesota fans make the University somehow morally superior for doing so(or other schools were morally inferior for recruiting out of state or
in Canada) and that comes across arrogant.Re: National Championship: Union vs. Minnesota (Choaches stay out of it!)
I find it remarkable that one of the most lothsome and repugnant posters on this site, who spent the year trashing our coach and All-American players, from a school and a program that is now, and forever will be bottom of the barrel, is lecturing the Minnesota faithful on the topic of class. The Minnesota fans don't need to be lectured by a low life insect from RPI. Back under your rock, jericho. You embarrised yourself playing against them this year and now your are making a fool out of yourself talking about them. A single fan from Minnesota has more class that your entrie campus/slum
Re: National Championship: Union vs. Minnesota (Choaches stay out of it!)
I rest my case.
I rest my case.
Re: National Championship: Union vs. Minnesota (Choaches stay out of it!)
The whole recruiting in Minnesota-Only thing was a product of the Doug Woog era. I imagine many fans pointed to it as if to say "Yeah, the team can't win the big one, but we are always competitive with a Minnesota-only roster." I was in the camp that thought it was nice, but that the potential of missing out on other good players that might want to go to Minnesota was too great.
I think the legacy of the Woog philosophy was hurtful to Lucia's recruiting efforts early on when he tried to go out of state. It took Chris Chucko (still the only Canadian player in almost 30 years) and Grant Potulny to get others to change their minds. Since then, there have been people from Austria, Finland, Wisconsin, ND, Colorado, Missouri, Cali and Fla. It should have always been about getting the right players for your team and system, while doing everything possible to keep the best talent Minnesota has to offer.
The really ironic part has been the same "experts" that used to deride Woog for his philosophy used to vilify the other UofM coaches for letting the Minnesota talent get away...
The whole recruiting in Minnesota-Only thing was a product of the Doug Woog era. I imagine many fans pointed to it as if to say "Yeah, the team can't win the big one, but we are always competitive with a Minnesota-only roster." I was in the camp that thought it was nice, but that the potential of missing out on other good players that might want to go to Minnesota was too great.
I think the legacy of the Woog philosophy was hurtful to Lucia's recruiting efforts early on when he tried to go out of state. It took Chris Chucko (still the only Canadian player in almost 30 years) and Grant Potulny to get others to change their minds. Since then, there have been people from Austria, Finland, Wisconsin, ND, Colorado, Missouri, Cali and Fla. It should have always been about getting the right players for your team and system, while doing everything possible to keep the best talent Minnesota has to offer.
The really ironic part has been the same "experts" that used to deride Woog for his philosophy used to vilify the other UofM coaches for letting the Minnesota talent get away...
mnstate0fhockey
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Actually, the idea started with Mariucci, but he didn't have the talent in-state during his tenure to just recruit in-state. As the program grew, other coaches built on the philosophy. While Brooks did recruit some out of state players, the Gophers won two titles under Brooks with only MN players (counting just players who played at least 1 game).
That said, you are correct in that it was Woog who made only in-state recruiting somewhat of a policy while he was at Minnesota.
That period in Gopher Hockey is a source of pride to Gopher fans (I can see why fans of other programs don't find it to be as special) because it was something no other program could or was willing to do and because it helped grow the sport in-state.
However, those days are gone and Gopher fans have embraced a more open recruiting policy that in all honesty is probably necessary moving forward for the long-term strength of the program. There are 4 other D1 schools in MN (as well as other strong schools in the region) to compete with for in-state recruits now, and great players are coming from more markets than ever before.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: National Championship: Union vs. Minnesota (Choaches stay out of it!)
Personally, I think it is a fairly impressive feat. Though I'm admittedly biased. They also do it when they have plenty of other teams within the state and out of state poaching players. You have the five Minnesota teams, North Dakota, Wisconsin, and if we're really getting detailed, the 48 teams with a Minnesota player on their roster (nine teams have five or more). Heck, Eden Prairie alone has more players on a college roster than all but 16 states. It is a source of great pride.
Well, yeah.
Personally, I think it is a fairly impressive feat. Though I'm admittedly biased. They also do it when they have plenty of other teams within the state and out of state poaching players. You have the five Minnesota teams, North Dakota, Wisconsin, and if we're really getting detailed, the 48 teams with a Minnesota player on their roster (nine teams have five or more). Heck, Eden Prairie alone has more players on a college roster than all but 16 states. It is a source of great pride.
Sometimes, though, some Minnesota fans make the University somehow morally superior for doing so(or other schools were morally inferior for recruiting out of state or
Well, yeah.
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mnstate0fhockey
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Yes, I think that the recruiting thing is one thing that some Minnesota fans have that differentiates them from fans of just any rival. That they have very successful teams recruiting exclusively in-state is notable (though I don't think it's the great feat that it's sometimes made out to be). Sometimes, though, some Minnesota fans make the University somehow morally superior for doing so(or other schools were morally inferior for recruiting out of state or
Like I said above, it is something that has been a source of pride for some fans of our program as it kind of ties into the hockey culture in our state, is something that few if any other programs have done (making it unique), and helped grow the sport in our state.
But I completely agree with you that it is something we Gopher fans need to recognize carries less importance outside our fan base and be more tactful in our discussions on the topic. It's a lesson I've had to learn personally.
Bleed Maroon and Gold
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Re: National Championship: Union vs. Minnesota (Choaches stay out of it!)
First of I want to say Congratulations to Union on winning the National Championship. I have to say they proved to be the best team in the nation this year. I find it incredible that they went had such a great record the second half of the season. Again hats off to Union. I also thought this was a great frozen four. All 3 of the games played this past weekend were extremely enjoyable to watch. As a Gopher fan I feared seeing Union beating BC because of how well they have played as of recent. But the future is bright for the Gophers and I think they will be back at the FF next season.
First of I want to say Congratulations to Union on winning the National Championship. I have to say they proved to be the best team in the nation this year. I find it incredible that they went had such a great record the second half of the season. Again hats off to Union. I also thought this was a great frozen four. All 3 of the games played this past weekend were extremely enjoyable to watch. As a Gopher fan I feared seeing Union beating BC because of how well they have played as of recent. But the future is bright for the Gophers and I think they will be back at the FF next season.