Nanook Nation 2014-2015

[Squarebanks]

Re: Nanook Nation 2014-2015

Does give the NCAA an excuse now to do nothing to North Carolina? What a joke.

North Carolina can afford to pay way more lawyers than we can.

 

[Squarebanks]

Re: Nanook Nation 2014-2015

Well, almost...

Eligibility of pre-majors
This category accounts for about half of the infractions. In 2008, UAF increased
its admission requirements for baccalaureate degrees. Those students who
didn’t meet those initial requirements could be admitted as “pre-majors.”
Once they demonstrated academic success in baccalaureate-level classes, they
could be admitted to a degree program. Multiple student-athletes were
admitted as pre-majors and took regular baccalaureate level classes
successfully. However, because UAF established higher standards for
baccalaureate admission than the NCAA required, student-athletes were not
eligible until after they were removed from pre-major status and admitted to a
degree program.

Declaration of major
NCAA requires that student-athletes demonstrate progress toward their
declared degree. In multiple cases, student-athletes were taking
baccalaureate-level classes, but had not filed the paperwork to declare a
major or change their major. While they took classes that counted toward a
degree, because a specific degree had not been declared, they were ineligible
to compete.

I thought it was two Gov Cups, not three? 2010 and 2011? Or are they counting the 2011-12 season as part of 2011? I didn't see that part in the report. Not that it really matters at this point.

 

[mmf]

Re: Nanook Nation 2014-2015

I'm not sure. But I didn't want to under-report. Bad juju.

 

[Suze]

Re: Nanook Nation 2014-2015

I thought it was two Gov Cups, not three? 2010 and 2011? Or are they counting the 2011-12 season as part of 2011? I didn't see that part in the report. Not that it really matters at this point.

From the Daily News Miner:

Gray said university officials will be going over win-loss records during the years of the infractions to determine forfeitures. Though it wasn't discussed by Rogers, Gray or Sfraga during the media conference, possible forfeit victims of the NCAA penalties are the Nanooks rifle teams' NCAA national championships in 2007 and 2008 and the Nanooks' hockey team's Alaska Airlines Governor's Cup Series victories over the University of Alaska Anchorage in 2010, 2011 and 2012.

 

[Squarebanks]

Re: Nanook Nation 2014-2015

From the Daily News Miner:

The USCHO article says just '10 and '11. I guess we'll know soon enough.

 

[ddr]

Re: Nanook Nation 2014-2015

I feel as though it should not have taken 3 years for this to come into play. The current athletes are not at fault here and UAF self reported. In addition they put into place self sanctions and implemented things so that this would not happen again. I can understand a fine, I can understand vacating wins when an ineligible player was used (even if that player was taking full bachelors classes but just wasn't enrolled in proper major), I can even understand the scholarship sanctions. What I have trouble with is denying the current players of these programs post season play. They have already negated past seasons post seasons so there is no reason to do so to current players.--- Respectfully a UAA fan

 

[AKSWF]

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This is a load of crap. There are basketball players in the NCAA tournament who can't read, and the NCAA swings the hammer down on a hockey team for having players without majors 3 years ago?

The NCAA needs to allow more flexibility for student athletes not having a major or changing majors. I've had some friends more or less kicked off of BG's varsity teams for not progressing towards a degree, despite the fact they were passing all their classes as full time students. I know the NCAA is trying to ensure student athletes graduate in 4-5 years, but that can still be achieved with some policy changes.

Unfortunately this appears to be the NCAA swinging down the hammer to scare other programs to not do this (or stop doing it). I can't remember the last time a NCAA Hockey team has this happen, football or basketball sure.

 

[AKSWF]

Re: Nanook Nation 2014-2015

Wow.

I think Chris Dilks at SBNation put it perfectly, what the NCAA did to UAF today was absolute garbage. Punishing today's players for an administrative oversight that happened between 3 and 7 years ago, and a decision that could potentially affect future pro careers for guys like Parayko or Morley, makes no sense. Punish the school, but leave today's players out of it. Particularly since the University self-reported this in 2011, and self-imposed sanctions in 2012, and has since taken the steps to correct the problem.

Also, if I were a NMU fan I would have a raised eyebrow at their current AD, seeing as how this happened under his watch.

I guess if there is any silver lining, most of the scholarship limits will be listed after this season.

Like Jerry Tarkanian said, "The NCAA got so mad at Kentucky they put Cleveland State on two years probation".

It is a little harsh, though on the bright side I don't think Parayko needs more time. I'm sure he'll get an AHL/NHL deal at the end of the season.

 

[Suze]

Re: Nanook Nation 2014-2015

Unfortunately this appears to be the NCAA swinging down the hammer to scare other programs to not do this (or stop doing it). I can't remember the last time a NCAA Hockey team has this happen, football or basketball sure.

I think the NCAA was so harsh because there were, I believe, four different infractions, and it went on for so many years. According to the article in the Alaska Dispatch, there were "warnings" from the NCAA that went unheeded. Failure to complete sufficient credits toward their majors and not meeting eligibility requirements for students transferring from junior colleges seem to be the two most egregious, in my opinion. Again, it comes down to lack of institutional control. Hard to believe that UAF didn't have a full time academic advisor in their athletic department.

mmf, as much as you hate to accept it, the Gov Cup from those years has been surrendered to UAA.

 

[bucky15]

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I guess UAF doesn't make enough money for the NC$$.

 

[AKJD]

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If those Gov Cups actually go to UAA instead of just being voided (not sure how that works) then UAA fans have no room to complain about our shootout wins ever again. At least those were won on the ice using established procedures, not handed down by a committee over technicalities.

 

[Alaska Hockey]

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If those Gov Cups actually go to UAA instead of just being voided (not sure how that works) then UAA fans have no room to complain about our shootout wins ever again. At least those were won on the ice using established procedures, not handed down by a committee over technicalities.

Those UA_ ´established procedures” is what got you into trouble in the first place. Forrest Karr was the compliance person before UA_ used the “Peter Principal” and promoted him to A D. When the sh** hit the fan he did a midnight move faster than the Browns when they left Cleveland at 3am in the morning and headed to Baltimore in 1996.

 

[Jimjamesak]

If those Gov Cups actually go to UAA instead of just being voided (not sure how that works) then UAA fans have no room to complain about our shootout wins ever again. At least those were won on the ice using established procedures, not handed down by a committee over technicalities.

In the words of Akon, "still counts!"

92-53-9!

 

[mmf]

Re: Nanook Nation 2014-2015

We can't blame UAA for what has transpired, so we can't get on their case. Most of our issues were a result of increasing admission requirements for baccalaureate degrees above those required by the NCAA, and that's a problem that UAA will probably never have to face.

And we've all seen their program during the relevant years, so we can't blame them for claiming wins any way they can. Good on them.

We'll get over this...starting this weekend.


Go Nooks!

 

[Squarebanks]

It is a little harsh, though on the bright side I don't think Parayko needs more time. I'm sure he'll get an AHL/NHL deal at the end of the season.

True, Parayko probably wasn't the best example since he's already been drafted. But every other guy on the team with plans of hockey beyond college is playing for a free agent pro deal, and this hurts them unfairly. Like many others have said, penalizing current players for something a completely different administration was responsible for is unfortunate collateral damage.

 

[Freddie]

Re: Nanook Nation 2014-2015

The penalties may seem harsh, and I ALWAYS feel bad when one group of players gets hurt because of stuff that happened before they were even there, but when infractions go on for several years and the NCAA can label it as "lack of institutional control" the hammer's gonna come down pretty hard.

I'm not quite sure how I feel about my Falcons playing in Fairbanks this weekend. The 'Nooks might be a gang of super-charged ******ed-off guys who feel they have nothing to lose...or they might be a demoralized mess. If I were Coach Bergeron, I'd have my boys prepared for the former.

 

[Suze]

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If those Gov Cups actually go to UAA instead of just being voided (not sure how that works) then UAA fans have no room to complain about our shootout wins ever again. At least those were won on the ice using established procedures, not handed down by a committee over technicalities.

Oh, they go to UAA. That's what a forfeit is. The Alaska Dispatch states:

According to the NCAA findings, the hockey team used ineligible players in every game played from the 2007-08 season to the 2010-11 season. The Nanooks were 67-66-25 over that span, and the wins and ties will all become losses.

Four of the wins and two of the ties came against rival UAA, which will get to adjust its records during those seasons to reflect the changes.

An unknown number of victories from the 2011-12 season are also at risk. UAF used ineligible players in 60 percent of its games in that 12-20-4 season, and the school is in the process of figuring out which games will be impacted.

The immediate impact is the loss of 67 victories and 25 ties recorded by the hockey team from 2007-2010, plus an unknown number from the 2011-12 season. The Nanooks must also surrender their 2009 and 2010 Governor's Cup championships to the University of Alaska Anchorage Seawolves.

 

[Suze]

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I find it quite ironic that Joe Maturi was one of the committee members that reviewed this case. When he was the AD at Minnesota, he did nothing about the underage drinking scandal with the hockey program, as well as the illegal gifts the players received when they got into bars without paying the cover charges. That whole thing was a big story, and not one player sat out a game. Instead they attended orientations on the dangers of underage drinking. Really?

 

[mmf]

Re: Nanook Nation 2014-2015

The penalties may seem harsh, and I ALWAYS feel bad when one group of players gets hurt because of stuff that happened before they were even there...

Thank you for your heart felt sympathies, but I believe you forgot the BS, wink, or other emoticon that lets folks know you were just kidding.

After the NCAA announcement, Freddie from ay-ziggy-zoomba.com writes…
“I figured they were going to be one ****ed off bunch after getting swept at Bemidji last week.
We need to put a knee on their throat and choke the daylights out of them.”

I’m sure the boys will be prepared. Should be a good series.

Go Nooks!

 

[Broseph Stalin]

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Oh, they go to UAA. That's what a forfeit is. The Alaska Dispatch states:

Will the NCAA require the old players from UAA to skate around the ice with the trophy (I don't know, I assume there is one) to make this official? The people who went to the games saw one team win and one team lose. Will the NCAA send people out to reprogram the fans? Will they confiscate all literature stating Alaska won these games? What if I have an old program? Will some of these guys just disappear? Does the NCAA have a plane and a black site and rendition protocols? This is pretty silly.

I really feel bad to the kids up in Fairbanks and the fans who just took one to the nuts. Yeah, they screwed up. Good thing they took the initiative with the self-imposed punishments. That worked out splendidly. Meanwhile at Florida State, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Kentucky, etc. etc. etc....