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Nanook Nation 2014-2015

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Broseph Stalin said:
Will the NCAA require the old players from UAA to skate around the ice with the trophy (I don't know, I assume there is one) to make this official? The people who went to the games saw one team win and one team lose. Will the NCAA send people out to reprogram the fans? Will they confiscate all literature stating Alaska won these games? What if I have an old program? Will some of these guys just disappear? Does the NCAA have a plane and a black site and rendition protocols? This is pretty silly.

I really feel bad to the kids up in Fairbanks and the fans who just took one to the nuts. Yeah, they screwed up. Good thing they took the initiative with the self-imposed punishments. That worked out splendidly. Meanwhile at Florida State, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Kentucky, etc. etc. etc.... :rolleyes:
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Trivialize all you want. At the end of the day UA_ wasn't playing by the rules. Or to put it in real not politically correct terms they got caught cheating.
Guess that's the way you want your program to be seen
 
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Broseph Stalin said:
Will the NCAA require the old players from UAA to skate around the ice with the trophy (I don't know, I assume there is one) to make this official?
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I wonder if the gold pan is engraved each year? If so, they may have to change that. You are forgetting that the NCAA gave multiple warnings to UA_ and yet they still failed to put into place a plan to correct these problems.
 
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Suze said:
And no UAA fans are defending any of that either.
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Which is kind of my point. Everyone I've talked to connected with the University or the program says that mistakes were made; hence the reason we self-reported and didn't pull an Auburn or SMU and cover it up. My beef isn't that we got punished, it's that the NCAA is harming the current students who had nothing to do with this mess. Just like Moser suddenly left UAA, Forrest Karr's timely departure in 2012 suddenly makes a lot more sense. And he's not the only one who was there at that time with athletics oversight who has since departed.

There was an interesting article published today about Todd Gurley and Georgia which basically intimated that being honest with the NCAA usually winds up screwing you in the long run. Hence the reason Gurley has sat out almost half the season while Johnny Football got benched for a half.
 
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Squarebanks said:
Which is kind of my point. Everyone I've talked to connected with the University or the program says that mistakes were made; hence the reason we self-reported and didn't pull an Auburn or SMU and cover it up. My beef isn't that we got punished, it's that the NCAA is harming the current students who had nothing to do with this mess. Just like Moser suddenly left UAA, Forrest Karr's timely departure in 2012 suddenly makes a lot more sense. And he's not the only one who was there at that time with athletics oversight who has since departed.
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The NCAA isn't known for being "fair". Heck, remember bookgate at UAA? That was also self reported and UAA had already handed down its own punishment, but the NCAA in their wisdom decided to suspend each player an additional 3 games (I think). Totally destroyed that season of hockey. Because players bought textbooks for their teammates with their scholarship money.

What is different with UA_, it appears, is that the NCAA says they warned the University more than once. Had they heeded those warnings they wouldn't be in this mess today. You can't tell me they didn't know about it when the NCAA warned them.

From 2008 through the summer of 2011, the institution identified and was aware that its compliance systems for certifying student-athlete eligibility based on transfer and continuing academic requirements were inadequate. The institution failed to take appropriate action to improve its systems or devote sufficient resources and personnel to ensure proper certification of student-athlete academic eligibility.]
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What I think is really sad is the fact that the point totals for players are wiped out. As if they never happened. That's hard to take.
 
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Suze said:
What I think is really sad is the fact that the point totals for players are wiped out. As if they never happened. That's hard to take.
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I agree. Joe Sova posted a tweet regarding that today that I got a laugh out of, basically said if the NCAA wipes out his totals then he should be able to come back and do it over again. Not to mention about 2/3 of Dallas Ferguson's win totals are wiped out. He was two wins away from the all time record at UAF.
 
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It may not be in the record books anymore, but the fact is we still beat the seawolves for the gov cup 5 years in a row. You may be able to change the records but u can't change history.
 
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Nanookfan24 said:
It may not be in the record books anymore, but the fact is we still beat the seawolves for the gov cup 5 years in a row. You may be able to change the records but u can't change history.
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Umm, yes you can. You can't win by cheating. Your team had nine, count them N-I-N-E, ineligible players. According to the NCAA report "The Level I violations represent a severe breach of conduct because they resulted in a substantial or extensive competitive advantage and contributed to a lack of institutional control".

The entire NCAA report can be found here:
http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Alaska-Fairbanks PUBLIC Decision.pdf
 
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Squarebanks said:
My beef isn't that we got punished, it's that the NCAA is harming the current students who had nothing to do with this mess.
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Well then, spare a thought for the team that didn't make the 2010 NCAA tournament field because the now-ineligible Nanooks were in instead. The experience for the athletes who didn't get to go can't be given back either. You never know what could have happened if a different team was in the field.
 
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Nanookfan24 said:
It may not be in the record books anymore, but the fact is we still beat the seawolves for the gov cup 5 years in a row. You may be able to change the records but u can't change history.
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Done........ U Asterisk _ ............feel better now?
 
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John J. MacInnes said:
Well then, spare a thought for the team that didn't make the 2010 NCAA tournament field because the now-ineligible Nanooks were in instead. The experience for the athletes who didn't get to go can't be given back either. You never know what could have happened if a different team was in the field.
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Excellent point!
 
John J. MacInnes said:
Well then, spare a thought for the team that didn't make the 2010 NCAA tournament field because the now-ineligible Nanooks were in instead. The experience for the athletes who didn't get to go can't be given back either. You never know what could have happened if a different team was in the field.
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True.
 
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In amongst all this crap, we actually have to play hockey tonight (with eligible players no less). It'll be interesting to see how the guys respond, although at this point I'm more worried about getting past this three game losing streak.
 
Suze said:
Umm, yes you can. You can't win by cheating. Your team had nine, count them N-I-N-E, ineligible players. According to the NCAA report "The Level I violations represent a severe breach of conduct because they resulted in a substantial or extensive competitive advantage and contributed to a lack of institutional control".

The entire NCAA report can be found here:
http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Alaska-Fairbanks PUBLIC Decision.pdf
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I had to laugh at the "extensive competitive advantage" line. Hockey was good for a few of those years, but basketball and volleyball were awful the entire time.

The report also pinpoints exactly who didn't act from administrative level. Fortunately those people are long gone.
 
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Squarebanks said:
I had to laugh at the "extensive competitive advantage" line. Hockey was good for a few of those years, but basketball and volleyball were awful the entire time.

The report also pinpoints exactly who didn't act from administrative level. Fortunately those people are long gone.
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Actually it said substantial OR extensive advantage. You can't blame the NCAA for this, it's all on the UA_ athletic department.
 
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The full report is pretty d*mning on many valid points, and I don’t have much sympathy for our “administrative” leadership during this period. We have a long history of a very screwed up administration. Much of it budget related but screwed up nonetheless. It is an easy out to ignore the costs and resources necessary to monitor compliance, whether that be financial, legal, or in this case NCAA eligibility, until the wheels come off. Most the penalties are warranted and I don’t think the committee has any choice but to vacate the wins. And I don't think any Nook fan can reasonably defend or even wants to defend Administration's history of incompetence.

But to the dismay of Seawolf fans, UAF was neither “caught cheating” or “ignored repeating warnings from the NCAA.” This whole report is justifiably critical of our “lack of institutional control and failure to monitor”, but as the report states, “unethical conduct was not present in this case.” And the warnings UAF ignored and failed to address in a timely manner were internal, not from the NCAA. In 2008 an academic advisor returns from compliance training with serious concerns of our processes. Those concerns are confirmed by the compliance director in the fall 2008, and after a department review also confirmed and recommendations made to higher authorities by the AD in May of 2009. Those recommendations were ignored and no resources or improvements made to compliance monitoring until the summer of 2011 when a new compliance director (I think) documented actual violations while working in the academic admissions office after being furloughed from her compliance job during the summer months.

Once actual violations were documented in the summer of 2011, UAF self reported and subsequently worked with the NCAA and we are where we are at now.

I do feel the post season ban is too harsh to current players and that is one penalty that could still be appealed (most likely with little success). The NCAA references other schools violations and similar penalties, but I can’t tell if they also self reported and had already taken most of the corrective actions before any NCAA’s report. A lot of our violations are fairly clerical/technical in nature, but there are some (especially in the DII sports) that there is no excuse for. True negligence.

This will hang over us for a few years, but we’ll get past it. I have no doubt we’ll continue to put a quality team on the ice. It’s too bad that the team that comprises upper level administration never has and probably never will get close to the effort or character of the team on the ice.

And speaking of teams on the ice. While UAA’s winning record will be adjusted upward, as with every other impacted school, and official records will reflect two or three more Governor Cup Championships for UAA, I still take satisfaction in that they couldn’t get it done on the ice.

The healing starts tonight.
Go Nooks!
 
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