MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

[huskyfan]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

When questioning why the NCHC formed. People need to read this post.

the only trouble with this post ... its not true.

 

[JW Tigers]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

Oh I didn't say Travel expenses will go up... you assumed that. I just said expenses in general. You really should read quotes before you comment on them. I understand attendance is not a problem for you, even though there was some discussion early about the lack of attendance, and as far as DU, there is a lot of discussion about why their rink is not full.
Personally, if Tech never plays CC again, it's fine with me. I will miss the fans, I met several last year in Houghton, and they were quite nice.

Ok, I misinterpreted your statement to be about travel expenses. It happens. Sorry. That was the primary expense that came to mind for me. But if you want to play that game, maybe you should read your own quotes as well. You did say:

For those of you cc fans who think Tech is the cause of your attendance problems, that's what DU said last year. They were mad that when Tech was there, there were a few unsold seats. Now that Tech has not played in denver all year and they still have attendance problems, suddenly they are looking at other possible reasons. Letters to the editor in the student paper, etc. In fact, this perceived attendance issue is one of the reasons for the bhhc.

So which is it...do we have a attendance problems at CC and DU or not? One minute is is an attendance problem, then it's a perceived attendance problem, then you say you understand attendance is not a problem, at least for CC. While you may be correct that DU would like to increase attendance, it is by no means a "problem" for them either.

 

[bunt_q]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

the only trouble with this post ... its not true.

Which parts? Or how so? It sounded credible enough.

 

[mtu_huskies]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

The hope is that will pay off in the long run by becoming the top league in the NCAAs.

I'm not sure what this gets the NCHC teams if it even could possibly be true. This is a niche sport, I dont see a mass of attendance numbers because Western and Miami are in the confrence now instead of a few teams. And the great conference tournament, the final five, is dead. Wherever the NCHC tourney is, the schools are so spread out, the postseason ticket sales will not match the final five. The NCHC will not surpass the Big Ten and maybe not hockey east. So like I said, what does becoming the top leage in teh NCAAs buy them, if they could even become that.

 

[Biddco]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

the only trouble with this post ... its not true.

Or is it?

 

[Dirty]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

Or is it?

Tech fans think they are actually relevant and therefore think the NCHC was started just to screw them.

 

[dggoddard]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

I'm not sure what this gets the NCHC teams if it even could possibly be true. This is a niche sport, I dont see a mass of attendance numbers because Western and Miami are in the confrence now instead of a few teams. And the great conference tournament, the final five, is dead. Wherever the NCHC tourney is, the schools are so spread out, the postseason ticket sales will not match the final five. The NCHC will not surpass the Big Ten and maybe not hockey east. So like I said, what does becoming the top leage in teh NCAAs buy them, if they could even become that.

Each of the NCHC schools have different needs and concerns but they are united in that hockey is incredibly important to their past, present and future. For DU, CC, UND, UMD, SCSU & UNO, without strong or any D-1 football, hockey is their primary revenue creating sport and their biggest source of athletic revenue, publicity, community and alumni involvement. Each of the schools realized that playing "name brand" opponents as often as possible was the best way to attract television exposure and promote their universities.

Miami, CC, DU, UND, UMD & UNO have first-class facilities that represented either massive one-time alumni or community expenditures that will likely not be available in the next 20-50 years. SCSU & Western are either upgrading their facilities or talking about it.

Who's to say that the NCHC won't win more NC's than the Big Ten or Hockey East in the next decade or two? That will be the easiest measuring stick to gauge the success or failure of the endeavor. I think the NCHC schools will be thrilled if they can maintain current attendance and interest levels of their fans.

 

[bunt_q]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

I'm not sure what this gets the NCHC teams if it even could possibly be true. This is a niche sport, I dont see a mass of attendance numbers because Western and Miami are in the confrence now instead of a few teams. And the great conference tournament, the final five, is dead. Wherever the NCHC tourney is, the schools are so spread out, the postseason ticket sales will not match the final five. The NCHC will not surpass the Big Ten and maybe not hockey east. So like I said, what does becoming the top leage in teh NCAAs buy them, if they could even become that.

This reminds me of something I was asked in a job interview many years ago. "Would you rather be a big fish in a small pond, or a small fish in a big pond?" If we all agree that college hockey will never be a big pond, isn't the choice obvious? There's no harm in striving to be the biggest fish in whatever pond you swim in. And at the same time, it's foolish to mope around wishing your pond was bigger. Do I wish that "March Madness" referred to hockey and not that other sport? Sure. Is there anything I can do about that? Not really. I agree that the Big Ten will probably be the marquee college hockey conference in future years. But there's also nothing anybody can do about that except strive to match them. The attitude - "I'm not sure what this gets the NCHC teams" is part of the problem - it sounds like you're sitting on your hands, just saying "well, if I can't be the biggest fish in the biggest pond, why even bother trying for something better?" Sorry, that's not an attitude I can relate to.

And you really have to understand that from where we sit, losing the Final Five is sort of "eh." The Twin Cities are a long ways from here. Everyone always said, there are maybe a dozen DU and CC fans in the house. True. Sure, the tourney generated some revenue. But there's no particular emotional attachment to it. It hasn't even always been televised. The prospect of having an NCHC tournament, even a smaller one, in Denver every once in a while far outweighs the loss of the Final Five for at least two of the eight. Miami and WMU obviously don't care. So right there, you've got half of the new conference's membership with no attachment to the Final Five. Give Omaha a tourney once, and there's your NCHC majority. [Omaha is also drivable from Colorado, so a preferable tourney spot for me. If I have to get on an airplane, it doesn't much matter if I'm flying to MSP or Detroit or whatever city is close to wherever Miami plays.]

 

[lawdoggies]

Re: Dul

Re: Dul

Yaaaawwwnnnnnn . . . the NCHC, BTHC, and 'new' WCHC are 18 months away. Hey, isn't there some playoff hockey going on this weekend?

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

This thread is an abortion.

 

[manurespreader]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

So which is it...do we have a attendance problems at CC and DU or not? One minute is is an attendance problem, then it's a perceived attendance problem, then you say you understand attendance is not a problem, at least for CC. While you may be correct that DU would like to increase attendance, it is by no means a "problem" for them either.[/QUOTE]

Ok, you're right. I read some of the posts from a few posters and assumed there was a problem. my bad as well.

As far as the nchc, well good luck with the move. While it would be easy to swallow the lines that have been put out here about like minded etc, my personal opinion is that this is just the party line. You are free to believe it, but plenty of times i've seen something happen, some one get miffed, make a decision, and then cast around for an excuse to explain his actions so he doesn't have to put out the real reason.imho this is what happened here.

Whatever the reason is, you all are leaving, and it behooves hockey for your new league to be successful. Will you make more money?, I seriously doubt it, but I do hope you at least break even on it, simply because it's good for college hockey if you do. However we, and all the other left behinds, are paying a big price financially so you can stay about the same. Will all of us survive long term? iffy, but we'll certainly make a try at it. I'm not unhappy at all with our new opponents, they play as good a brand of hockey as presently, so from that perspective things will be fine. It's in the best interest of you too for us to succeed, so the **** Tech talk is counter productive. As I said, will I miss playing in Colorado, not a bit, but I will miss the fans.

The one change I hope happens is for the reffing pool to be split such that all the leagues pay the same and there are not three organizations with overhead to cover.

 

[huskyfan]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

NaCHos were formed around one man ... Curious George Gwozdecky. most of the long time supporters, alum and even university officials had no idea the NaCHo was going down until after it happened.

have never seen a full house at DU or CC. yet their attendance number are through the roof. its the spin. they don't sellout like UND or UofM.

personally I think its a shame to see founders of a league bolt to form a new league. if you had issues with the league, why not stay and make it better?

 

[bunt_q]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

have never seen a full house at DU or CC. yet their attendance number are through the roof. its the spin. they don't sellout like UND or UofM.

You think they lie on their reported attendance numbers? That's a bold accusation. Or what are you saying exactly?

If this link - http://www.collegehockeynews.com/almanac/attendance.php - that somebody posted earlier is to be believed, there are only 13 schools in all of college hockey that average 5,000+. And you're criticizing #5 (94.4% full) and #9 (91.9% full) in the country in per game attendance because they aren't as strong as #2 (99.0% full) or #3 (98.7% full)? That seems a bit harsh, doesn't it? Especially coming from somebody whose school sits at #32 in per game attendance in a rink that's only 69.0% full.

Which brings me back to my first question. Do you think they're fudging the numbers? Do you any evidence?

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

So I hear that both Schwartz's and Dineen are injured. Should I get a room in St. Paul now to beat the rush?

 

[bunt_q]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

So I hear that both Schwartz's and Dineen are injured. Should I get a room in St. Paul now to beat the rush?

Dineen and Rylan Schwartz were both back at practice yesterday according to the C.S. Gazette. Jaden is still sitting out, but he's sick, not injured, and is expected to play.

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

Dineen and Rylan Schwartz were both back at practice yesterday according to the C.S. Gazette. Jaden is still sitting out, but he's sick, not injured, and is expected to play.

So you're saying that all three got hit by a bus.

 

[Chris]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

NaCHos were formed around one man ... Curious George Gwozdecky. most of the long time supporters, alum and even university officials had no idea the NaCHo was going down until after it happened.

Gotta call BS when I see it...and this is as good a time as any. That it was going to happen was hardly an unknown for a lot of people. The NCHC was in the works for quite some time and just because you or your gurlz didn't catch wind of it till the time it was announced is hardly the NCHC's problem. You've been left behind, deal with it and stop crapping your pants everyday over it, because your crap won't stop it and you are just stinking the joint up.

 

[huskyfan]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

no, I don't think they lie about attendance numbers. I think they "sell" a great deal of corporate tickets that don't convert into butts in seats.

Chris - so when did you first hear about the NaCHo?

 

[duper]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

CC has a student section? Where? Was spring break this weekend? Other than the "Go... Tigers" chant across the rink once per game, the goal song and the "Make some noise" sign on the jumbotron, I didn't hear peep from the CC crowd all weekend.

They were certainly the silent majority of the rink and makes you appreciate the Misfits even more.
Ryan J

Interesting. Both times I was there, the place was EXTREMELY loud.

 

[duper]

Re: MTU @ CC 3/2 - 3/3 Just a two game series or maybe up to 5 games in 10 days?

Chris - so when did you first hear about the NaCHo?

Oh Lordy Lord! {ducks for cover}