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Mr. Trump, I mean Mr. President, which State would You Like To Round Them Up In?

Re: Mr. Trump, I mean Mr. President, which State would You Like To Round Them Up In?

We also sent a plutocrat home. Either way, a plutocrat was going to win the whole dam- thing.

A plutocrat who has profited, sure. We sent home a plutocrat who has devoted her entire life to public service and helping others. Don't pretend they are the same person.
 
How true. Why and can we get it back?

Why? Automation. We make more stuff than ever before, but it's done by robots instead of humans.

Can we get it back? Yes, but it will require the service industry to start paying employees the way that manufacturing used to.

The populace seems to be on board by constantly voting for minimum wage increases. But then they go and elect Republicans who are against it, so who knows.
 
Re: Mr. Trump, I mean Mr. President, which State would You Like To Round Them Up In?

who plays more golf? BHO or tD?
 
Re: Mr. Trump, I mean Mr. President, which State would You Like To Round Them Up In?

, the work that needs to be done is 100% with consumption.

if you insist on using that terminology, then consumption has two components: consumption by individuals, and consumption by companies that "consume" machinery, increase their inventory, etc.
 
Re: Mr. Trump, I mean Mr. President, which State would You Like To Round Them Up In?

I look forward to the hearings when a Republican in the White House has an affair and it's exposed.
 
Re: Mr. Trump, I mean Mr. President, which State would You Like To Round Them Up In?

We sent home a plutocrat who has devoted her entire life to public service

how does a person who devoted an entire life to public service become a plutocrat in the first place?

For Bloomberg, he was the plutocrat first and then ran for office.
For Kennedy, he inherited his wealth from his father the plutocrat and then ran for office.

Public service, on the surface, doesn't pay enough to allow a person to become a plutocrat, generally, and WJC was poor as a child and HRC was middle class; neither were plutocrats when WJC was elected Governor of Arkansas. I don't think that trading cattle futures along moved them into the plutocracy.
 
It seemed gracious and conciliatory to me, and I thought he projected genuine humility: "This is a huge job and it will take a lot of us working together to do it right."


Most people on the left just did not get a chance to receive a decent, balanced picture of Trump. The person many of us knew never appeared in the mainstream media, they only portrayed a caricature. If all you ever saw was the caricature, you didn't really get a chance to appreciate how subtle and clever he was during the campaign.


That's because, when Trump says something, he is always negotiating. The biggest mistake the Democrats / mainstream media made was to assume that the first thing he said on a subject was his "position." Yet on every major subject, his "position" evolved, from extreme to moderate.

One example:
-- No Muslims at all!
-- well, maybe some Muslims, but none from dangerous countries
-- well, maybe some from dangerous countries too, but only after we check them out first.

How far is that final position from the mainstream? well, duh, of course we want to keep dangerous people out.


The subtlety in that approach is that, the first statement attracted some supporters, and then each evolution reassured more people that the guy wasn't quite so crazy after all, because he demonstrated that he listened to reason and adjusted what he said as a result, which could then attract even more supporters without causing the initial group to abandon him for going soft.

He ran the first 21st century campaign, using social media and the internet to run a very effective campaign without using very much money. By casting the mainstream media as part of the opposition, he insulated himself from anything they had to say about him, and also drove people to alternate sources of information (e.g. youtube).

There supposedly are seven different kinds of intelligence, not just one.
The lesson for the Dems...

Find a con man.

Mid 2019: Kill all humans
Winter heading into primary season 2020: JK, just rich white people
Spring 2020: French Revolution
Summer 2020: ???
Election Day: No seriously, campaign finance reform
 
I look forward to the hearings when a Republican in the White House has an affair and it's exposed.

Well now that we're destroying our best weapon in the fight against Islamic extremists (religious freedom in America that makes people want to come here), there might be an embassy attack in the future that I'm SURE the GOP congress will need to get to the bottom of.
 
Why? Automation. We make more stuff than ever before, but it's done by robots instead of humans.

Can we get it back? Yes, but it will require the service industry to start paying employees the way that manufacturing used to.

The populace seems to be on board by constantly voting for minimum wage increases. But then they go and elect Republicans who are against it, so who knows.

Who makes and programs the robots? Who implements them?
 
Re: Mr. Trump, I mean Mr. President, which State would You Like To Round Them Up In?

mookie can speak for mookie, but people don't care about the macro statistics. They care about their individual lot in life. If I am unemployed, then that's bad. If you are unemployed, then it's a shame but things will get better.

Which brings up the old joke --

Q: What's the difference between a recession and a depression?

A: A recession is when your neighbor losses his job. A depression is when you lose your job.
 
Re: Mr. Trump, I mean Mr. President, which State would You Like To Round Them Up In?

A couple month ago I saw a FB post from a local small business owner who was trying a new supplier who was made up of Hispanic people. First they shocked him with their quality and quick turnaround then the Owner of that company talked about his backing for Trump. This man had emigrated legally and was incensed that others who had not gone through the process were going to get a free pass.

Bingo. I was also going to respond to Mookie's post with a story like this.

I once worked with a Mexican-American and former Marine and republican. His parents came from Mexico legally. Went through all the proper channels. When here, his father put himself through college (TCU). He admired his parents for what they did to become your stereotypical American dream.

I knew him a few years ago, so I don't know exactly what he thought of all this. However, based on political conversations I had with him back when I knew him, I expected he would be perfectly okay with Trump's policy. This guy's attitude would be, my parents did it the right way. Why should I care about those who did not?

I told people there are a lot of Latin-Americans like this who think this way, and don't expect a massive Latin vote for Hillary. Sure, Trump's delivery of the message was a bit misguided and offensive, but the underlying point of the message, people like my former co-worker got and agreed with.
 
Re: Mr. Trump, I mean Mr. President, which State would You Like To Round Them Up In?

It takes one machine operator to do the work previously done by 20 manual laborers. Those 19 lost jobs aren't coming back.

It takes one fisherman with a net to do the work previously done by 20 fishermen using hand lines.
The other 19 found new productive jobs and made their community much richer as a result.

It takes one farmer with a plow to do the work previously done by 20 farmers with a hoe.
The other 19 found new productive jobs and made their community much richer as a result.

It takes one builder with a backhoe to do the work previously done by 20 laborers with shovels.
The other 19 found new productive jobs and made their community much richer as a result.


Given this historical pattern, why should the outcome today be any different?
 
Re: Mr. Trump, I mean Mr. President, which State would You Like To Round Them Up In?

tell lil you survived bubba, and teddy, and bob packwood. things will be just fine. :)
Except he is draftable and in environmental science. o-fer

We elected someone who didn't pay his workers and ran a scam University to bilk millions of dollars from regular people.

I look forward to the hearings when a Republican in the White House has an affair and it's exposed.
Well, this guy was caught X 3 and nothing. No story here, Move on.

The thing I am very curious about and have yet to get one person to answer me - The complaint the HRC was a security risk. Then >100 GOP National Security people comeo out in an open letter saying he is scary. a) why would they do this? I can't think of a reason that would benefit them. b) why did this get so little traction. My dad worked in Defense, This scares the crap outta me.

Anyone able to intelligently respond? I asked people who were fairly coherent tD supporters and the only thing I got was HOAX!!!!111 except I heard some of them be interviewed
 
It takes one fisherman with a net to do the work previously done by 20 fishermen using hand lines.
The other 19 found new productive jobs and made their community much richer as a result.

It takes one farmer with a plow to do the work previously done by 20 farmers with a hoe.
The other 19 found new productive jobs and made their community much richer as a result.

It takes one builder with a backhoe to do the work previously done by 20 laborers with shovels.
The other 19 found new productive jobs and made their community much richer as a result.


Given this historical pattern, why should the outcome today be any different?

It won't be in the long run, but telling that to the coal miner or the plant worker who just got laid off and now is looking at working at McDonald's for minimum wage is what gave us Donald Trump. They don't give a crap about the long run, they just know they're out of a job now.

The point is those specific manufacturing jobs aren't coming back. And the replacement jobs don't pay nearly as well. The one guy left running the machine is fine. The other 19 are probably boned, especially if they're too old to move on to their 3rd or 4th career.
 
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Re: Mr. Trump, I mean Mr. President, which State would You Like To Round Them Up In?

The thing I am very curious about and have yet to get one person to answer me - The complaint the HRC was a security risk. Then >100 GOP National Security people comeo out in an open letter saying he is scary. a) why would they do this? I can't think of a reason that would benefit them. b) why did this get so little traction. My dad worked in Defense, This scares the crap outta me.

It is my understanding that a President has to get vetted for a security clearance just like any other common citizen. If true, this could get interesting...
 
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