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MOVIES: New Ideas Welcome!

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Kepler said:
I thought he was the lead so I'm obviously misremembering. Oh, never mind, i'm thinking of Natural Born Killers. I've never seen American Psycho and have no wish to.
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American Psycho is commentary on the 80s businessman, the mania involved with what was going on at the time. Natural Born Killers, which I've never fully seen, is supposed to be commentary on the sensationalizing of this or that in the media, IIRC.
 
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Kepler said:
We've discussed this before. I would recommend you try them again. They are, in fact, truly great movies. CO is a 9.5.

2001 is a 9.8. Casablanca is clearly better. Wizard of Oz is clearly better. Singin in the Rain is clearly better. Murnau's Nosferatu is better. Double Indemnity and Citizen Kane are virtually dead even. Bergman, Fellini and Herzog all have multiple movies that are in the ballpark. And that's about it.
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Maybe on a rainy Sunday when I'm in the mood for them. The latter is key. I want to give them a fair shake.
 
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St. Clown said:
American Psycho is commentary on the 80s businessman, the mania involved with what was going on at the time. Natural Born Killers, which I've never fully seen, is supposed to be commentary on the sensationalizing of this or that in the media, IIRC.
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Correct.

Christian Bale stars in American Psycho; also has Willem Dafoe, Reese Witherspoon, and Jared Leto. IMO, Bale's performance is what got him the Batman role. He can really play that dark emotionless character very well.

Both of these movies are personal favorites of mine. And the business card scene in AP is brilliant, and kind of sums up what the movie and Bale's character is all about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZVkW9p-cCU
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Maybe on a rainy Sunday when I'm in the mood for them. The latter is key. I want to give them a fair shake.
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I think this is definitely the case. 2001 is both long and very, very slow. I'd call it "a silent movie with sound." Don't go to the opera when you're in the mood for clubbing.

Clockwork Orange on the other hand is exactly the opposite.

They might actually make a great double feature at an art cinema: 2001 for the classical buffs, then a drinking break, and then CO for the punk crowd.

It's funny, I can see not liking 2001 -- one of my undying shames is I find Seven Samurai much too slow and I get restless, and I can see 2001 hitting people like that.

But CO is not just hysterically (dark) funny but so up-tempo I just can't capture what you don't like about it. I'd say I enjoyed that movie as much as any I've ever seen. It's like a live action Fritz the Cat (the movie I enjoyed the most in a theater although part of that was probably a contact high).

Also, I find both movies have aged very well. I can see them at least once a year and I always think they're terrific. In particular CO has gotten better as I've gone from son to father and switched by perspective on the droogs from villainous heroes to heroic villains.
 
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Kepler said:
I think this is definitely the case. 2001 is both long and very, very slow. I'd call it "a silent movie with sound." Don't go to the opera when you're in the mood for clubbing.

Clockwork Orange on the other had is exactly the opposite.

They might actually make a great double feature at an art cinema: 2001 for the classical buffs, then a drinking break, and then CO for the punk crowd.
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Das Boot (the FULL version) is also along the lines of a silent movie with sound. Great movie, but you need to be in the mood for it, and have a lot of patience.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Das Boot (the FULL version) is also along the lines of a silent movie with sound. Great movie, but you need to be in the mood for it, and have a lot of patience.
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That's a movie that was so painful to me that I still haven't seen it again. Streamers is another one like that. Some things just cut deep, and who knows why.
 
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Kepler said:
We've discussed this before. I would recommend you try them again. They are, in fact, truly great movies. CO is a 9.5.

2001 is a 9.8. Casablanca is clearly better. Wizard of Oz is clearly better. Singin in the Rain is clearly better. Murnau's Nosferatu is better. Double Indemnity and Citizen Kane are virtually dead even. Bergman, Fellini and Herzog all have multiple movies that are in the ballpark. And that's about it.
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Citizen Kane is one of the most boring movies I have ever seen. Such a self indulgent piece of crap. I get what all the things film geeks love about it but it was a snoozefest.

American Psycho was so bad I actually got angry at how much I hated it.
 
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Handyman said:
Citizen Kane is one of the most boring movies I have ever seen. Such a self indulgent piece of crap. I get what all the things film geeks love about it but it was a snoozefest.
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Please put this in your signature so newbies will know to ignore everything you subsequently say about movies.

The famous Welles movie that's a snoozefest is The Magnificent Ambersons. I only saw a 3-hour version, and I've heard the uncut original is twice that. I would gnaw my way out of the theater through the wall before sitting through that.
 
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Handyman said:
Citizen Kane is one of the most boring movies I have ever seen. Such a self indulgent piece of crap. I get what all the things film geeks love about it but it was a snoozefest.
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I agree, mostly. There were a few moments that I found entertaining, such as the old man standing at a desk and retelling an old story about Mr. Kane - the old man who was the basis for the Abe Simpson tie an onion to your belt scene.
 
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Kepler said:
Please put this in your signature so newbies will know to ignore everything you subsequently say about movies.

The famous Welles movie that's a snoozefest is The Magnificent Ambersons. I only saw a 3-hour version, and I've heard the uncut original is twice that. I would gnaw my way out of the theater through the wall before sitting through that.
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Hate to tell you this but newbies will be closer to me than you Bachelor-boy :p
 
Brenthoven said:
Das Boot (the FULL version) is also along the lines of a silent movie with sound. Great movie, but you need to be in the mood for it, and have a lot of patience.
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Helps if you know German too. I mean I'm sure it's not requirement but it helped me.
 
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Clockwork Orange is quite good but for me it worked better as Trainspotting. ;)

I've given 2001 three full runs and it's still an overly ambitious miss.
 
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Slap Shot said:
Clockwork Orange is quite good but for me it worked better as Trainspotting. ;)
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I still need to see this.

I've given 2001 three full runs and it's still an overly ambitious miss.
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If the three were at fairly different ages then I'd say you've given it the old college try. Not every movie has to be for every one.
 
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Another movie that's better than the book: Naked Lunch. The movie is by no means great, but it's fine. The book, well, the best I can say for it is I have not yet tried to read it on heroin.
 
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Kepler said:
And more people genuinely love Justin Bieber more than Mozart. Your point?
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That your little shot at me doesnt work because people are stupid...duh :p

It doesnt surprise me though you love CK...it is long winded, slow and completely overdone. It sounds like every person from an Ivy (or close to right Suny-Ithaca) I have ever met. CK is about as exciting as a lecture about 12th Century Mongolian Economies on a Saturday morning without any coffee :D
 
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The movie argument notwithstanding if you don't like Louis CK that is all on you and it doesn't look good. If I could hear one comedy routine ever for the rest of my life it would be: Being White

;)
 
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Handyman said:
Citizen Kane is one of the most boring movies I have ever seen. Such a self indulgent piece of crap. I get what all the things film geeks love about it but it was a snoozefest.
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Nonsense. It's not as good as everyone thinks it is, but it's still pretty solid.
 
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