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Movies: New Ideas Welcome II Prequel Reboot

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Brenthoven said:
Um, also know how to use computers, but unless I was working specifically with DOS/related, why would I need to learn DOS? All the programs I use are basically point and click. No commands necessary, in the DOS-type format.
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You don't *need* to learn DOS, but everything that Windows shows you is still built upon the archaic language accessible through DOS. Some Windows files get corrupted and prevent you from starting up? You can boot into DOS to access the file system and attempt to fix it.

Even your Android Smart Phone is a fancy visual wrapper for a branch of Linux, of which Linux is just a graphical representation of one form of the UNIX file system. Rebooting the phone after an update sometimes leads to seeing the command line prompts once instead of a fancy splash screen on the phone.

Apple iOS is also built upon a flavor of UNIX, but Apple has done a lot to prevent iOS from showing the command line interface.



Also, certain programs utilize a command line system for their work. Computer Aided Design software (AutoCAD, Microstation) still provide the command line and are built upon the command line, offering the user interface as a secondary way to work. Good CAD technicians, similar to IT technicians, are much faster at typing out a set of commands instead of mousing to the command they need, mouse to where on the screen they need to go, mouse to complete the command, etc.

IIRC, manufacturing is also another area where machines are set up for command prompt interfaces over the GUI because it's faster for employees to enter what they need to do, again versus mousing to everything.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Because it's a useful tool. And if you don't understand that, you can't even begin to claim you know computers.
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Do I know computers like the Silicon Valley people? No. I will never even imagine to pretend that I do. But your OP (that's "original post") claims that I can't use a computer, and that is patently false. So step down from your high horse.
 
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Brenthoven said:
My what? ;) :D (had to, sorry)
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:D

Even your dumb flip phone* is built upon lines of code executed under a fancy graphical interface.


* If you're still using a bag phone with a 10' car antenna magnetic mounted to your Camaro, :p the dot matrix display is built upon an assembly language that, yes, even that has a command line. For devices where the code is "baked" into the hardware like a flip phone or older equipment, you'll have to work in a command prompt from your computer to modify the code and then "assemble" it to put it back onto the old equipment.


*edit* I'm pretty sure I just heard F2B&G's and St. Cloud's brains just melt as I over-simplified these descriptions.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
99% of people in Engineering don't know the difference between a subnet and a domain.
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There are people in IT who don't.

aparch said:
Even your Android Smart Phone is a fancy visual wrapper for a branch of Linux, of which Linux is just a graphical representation of one form of the UNIX file system. Rebooting the phone after an update sometimes leads to seeing the command line prompts once instead of a fancy splash screen on the phone.

Apple iOS is also built upon a flavor of UNIX, but Apple has done a lot to prevent iOS from showing the command line interface.
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OMG, the NMU guy knows.

We're fcked.
 
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aparch said:
:D

Even your dumb flip phone* is built upon lines of code executed under a fancy graphical interface.


* If you're still using a bag phone with a 10' car antenna magnetic mounted to your Camaro, :p the dot matrix display is built upon an archaic assembly language that, yes, even that has a command line. For devices where the code is "baked" into the hardware like a flip phone or older equipment, you'll have to work in a command prompt from your computer to modify the code and then "assemble" it to put it back onto the old equipment.
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Everything is built on command lines and codes. I know this. The issue is, I didn't need to know it then, due to the work I ended up doing, and due to the recreation I partake in now, in relation to computers. For others, yes, completely different story and that's fine and dandy. :)
 
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French Rage said:
IBM's problem was that they let Microsoft license DOS to everyone instead of getting it exclusively. Over time it was easy for others to combine an Intel chip and DOS and do the packaging themselves, so IBM didn't have much of a moat that made them special.
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Most of the time, IBM would have just bought out the nascent Microsoft and made it another division. However, at the time they were negotiating with Bill Gates, they were under anti-trust investigation, and were constrained from following their usual practice as a result.
 
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FreshFish said:
Most of the time, IBM would have just bought out the nascent Microsoft and made it another division. However, at the time they were negotiating with Bill Gates, they were under anti-trust investigation, and were constrained from following their usual practice as a result.
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I never knew this.

To be honest I always wondered why when it became apparent he was eating their lunch they didn't just roll over and crush him with a lazy gesture. For all the imperial worship Gates is not that bright -- like Zuckerberg he is a talented opportunist; a businessman, a fungible, not a technical innovator or creator of anything. IBM or DEC could have lured away the actual brains at Redmond with pocket lint. They wouldn't even have needed to buy Gates out -- the only value Gates controlled was his gussied up DOS, and the SMEs at the big companies could have designed a more powerful OS from cold iron overnight. They were stodgy, but they were brilliant too. And if they ran dry they had an endless conveyor belt of MIT TMRC nerds to tap.

Hell, at the very worst invite Gates to run a new programming division, stick him behind a desk next to Ross Perot to haggle over crooked USG contracts, and let the real geniuses on the floor loose.
 
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They didnt have the power to do that. He had the OS they had nothing but computers you couldnt really use. They assumed the software would be worthless that the hardware was where the money was. They let their arrogance get in the way and allowed Gates to keep DOS and license it to whomever he wanted. By the time they realized their mistake they had zero power over Windows. (watch the movie Pirates of Silicon Valley it is quite good)
 
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Handyman said:
They didnt have the power to do that. He had the OS they had nothing but computers you couldnt really use. They assumed the software would be worthless that the hardware was where the money was. They let their arrogance get in the way and allowed Gates to keep DOS and license it to whomever he wanted. By the time they realized their mistake they had zero power over Windows. (watch the movie Pirates of Silicon Valley it is quite good)
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I know they blew it. I'm saying they had a hundred chances to correct their errors.

Apple and Jobs is a different story. Jobs was a genuinely interesting and valuable person and I doubt he'd have played their reindeer games. But a Jobs vs BIG COMPUTER fight might have gone better for us than a Microsoft vs Jobs fight.

In any case, we got here, and this is a good place.
 
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Jobs was a tool who rode the tails of better men than him and treated everyone like dirt. His flameout the first time around at Apple is legendary. His God complex ****ed near bankrupted the company. That he somehow convinced the world he is some genius who did nothing but great things for mankind ignores the fact that he was one of the most selfish *****s around who ****ed on his friends, verbal abused his subordinates and made all his high priced gadgetry on slave labor. Wozniak > Jobs.

Gates may be an opportunist, but he was ten times the man Jobs was and was a much better leader of the company.
 
Kepler said:
I know they blew it. I'm saying they had a hundred chances to correct their errors.

Apple and Jobs is a different story. Jobs was a genuinely interesting and valuable person and I doubt he'd have played their reindeer games. But a Jobs vs BIG COMPUTER fight might have gone better for us than a Microsoft vs Jobs fight.

In any case, we got here, and this is a good place.
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Jobs promoted consumer access to technology by streamlining and simplifying (some would say dumbing down), that's it. And by doing so, he got people to be willing to pay a premium for a brand name long after others caught up.

I don't see how you can say he was more valuable than Gates.
 
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FreshFish said:
Most of the time, IBM would have just bought out the nascent Microsoft and made it another division. However, at the time they were negotiating with Bill Gates, they were under anti-trust investigation, and were constrained from following their usual practice as a result.
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They also were maybe blindsided by the good deal they were getting. Microsoft wanted very little up front and didn't ask for any royalties, so IBM might have figured don't stop your adversary when they're making a mistake.
 
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Handyman said:
Jobs was a tool who rode the tails of better men than him and treated everyone like dirt. His flameout the first time around at Apple is legendary. His God complex ****ed near bankrupted the company. That he somehow convinced the world he is some genius who did nothing but great things for mankind ignores the fact that he was one of the most selfish *****s around who ****ed on his friends, verbal abused his subordinates and made all his high priced gadgetry on slave labor.
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Today we call him "Elon Musk"
 
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Handyman said:
ignores the fact that he was one of the most selfish *****s around who ****ed on his friends, verbal abused his subordinates and made all his high priced gadgetry on slave labor. Wozniak > Jobs.
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I don't think it ignores that fact, I think it's beside the point. But I am certainly willing to rethink the CW on Jobs seeing as my point is Gates and Zuckerberg were really just glorified chucklehead businessmen who cashed in on others' genius.

I don't anyone at this point who doesn't think Jobs was an as-shole. But Edison was an as-sole. You can be a terrible human being and still be transformative.
 
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