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MLB 2020: We'll Play Ball, I Guess.

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Russell Jaslow said:
That’s how the Islanders came to be. The WHA was being formed and they were eyeballing the new Nassau Coliseum. So, the NHL quickly moved Long Island up the pecking order for new expansion teams, and boom, the Islanders franchise is created.
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I did not know this.
 
Russell Jaslow said:
...(The WHA did end up with the NY Raiders who amazingly played in MSG. But as second rate tenants to the Rangers, they didn’t last very long.)
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You could go to a Raiders game on a Sunday afternoon at MSG, get a bite to eat, and then catch the Rangers game st 7pm. Fun times.

Then the Raiders moved to Southern NJ.
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
How often are the players supported during a labor dispute, though?

The national women’s teams for soccer and hockey received large public backing during their fights with the national federations, but thats an entirely different situation being national teams that are perpetually top 2 in the world, outperforming the men’s side, and a national governing body is different than some of these owners who are celebrities in their own right.

I remember some support towards the players in the NBA lockout in 2011 because everyone realized the tv money had exploded and the players needed a bigger cut, but besides that I feel like the public view of the players during labor disputes has been between negative and neutral. At the end of the day, a lot of people just seen them as entertainers who should be grateful, and that the players rising salaries just means they’ll have to pay more at the ballpark.
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Players never get supported during a strike. I think they are met with a little less disdain when they are locked out, as the NBA players were in 2011, but even then just barely. Fans then usually play the both sides are bad game. But in a strike? No way. They vilify the players every time. Marvin Miller said the 1981 MLB Players strike was the most principled strike he had ever participated in, since so many of the game's stars had already benefited greatly from the free agent system and the strike was meant to make sure future players could also benefit from it.
 
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Ive been sim'ing (OOTP20) my own all time bracket of 64 best teams. I took some lists of 50 best and sprinkled in my own opinion to get to 64. They were seeded by the best list. So the 1927 Yankees were the 1 seed.

My first run was all rounds best of 7. DH allowed, injuries on.

The 1932 Yankees beat the 1983 Orioles for the title.

None of the Senators/Twins teams got out of the first round.
 
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Has MLB come up with any kind of a schedule template for what they currently envision as a possible season? I have seen thing floated about teams playing entirely within the divisions (NL West teams playing only the other 4 NL West teams and the 5 AL West teams). If so, how do they figure to divide up 82 games against 9 other teams. The first thing that comes to mind, is wouldn't 81 or 90 seem to make more sense? I suppose it could 9 games against everyone save for a 10th game against your most proximate foe (freeway series, bay series, subway series, windy city series -- I guess for a good number of teams one other team makes perfect sense for that, others not so much).

FWIW, I actually do not believe any of this will happen. At some point once these teams get together in close contact, someone is going to test positive and the plug will be pulled. I find it hard to believe these athletes are going to risk their health with so much uncertain. You might even see NFL players show some backbone in that regard.
 
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I will gift you a sim of the 84 Tigers vs 86 Mets using the 1986 style of baseball.

Mets win the series 4-0.

Game 1 @NYM : Mets 4, Tigers 3
Gooden vs Petry

Ray Knight the hero with a walk off single in the 9th. Mets scored 3 times in that inning off Willie Hernandez.

Gibson and Parrish both homered for Detroit.

Game 2 @NYM: Mets 7, Tigers 1
Fernandez vs Morris

Fernandez threw a 3-hitter (140 pitches) over 8.1 innings.

Wilson, Strawberry, Knight homered for NY. Parrish again for Detroit.

Game 3 @DET: Tigers 4, Mets 5
Wilcox vs Ojeda

Dykstra produced a 2-run single in the 8th to put the Mets ahead.

Parrish and Gibson homered for Detroit. Thats 3 straight games for Parrish!

Game 4 @DET: Tigers 8, Mets 9 (11th)
Berenguer vs Darling

Dykstra (9-15, .600, 1 HR, 6 RBI) named World Series MVP. Had a HR in this game. Parrish homered in his 4th straight game for Detroit. His only 4 hits in the series.

In the 11th, Howard Johnson scored from 3rd on a throwing error after Mookie Wilsons single had moved him from 2nd.


Edit: A sim of the 2006 teams playing doesn't go any better for Detroit. Mets won 4-0 again. Carlos Delgado named series MVP.
 
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Your Tiger rotation is screwed up. Morris would have gone games 1-4-7, had it got to that point. Berenguer would have gone long relief after either Petry or Wilcox got knocked out. Even so, the Mets probably would have won in 6. As good as the Tigers were for one year in 1984, that Mets team was incredible.
 
Hammer said:
Your Tiger rotation is screwed up. Morris would have gone games 1-4-7, had it got to that point. Berenguer would have gone long relief after either Petry or Wilcox got knocked out. Even so, the Mets probably would have won in 6. As good as the Tigers were for one year in 1984, that Mets team was incredible.
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Ya, its imperfect. I can adjust rotations or let AI do it.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
Ya, its imperfect. I can adjust rotations or let AI do it.
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That's a major flaw in the AI in this particular case. Morris was the unquestioned ace of that staff, and the clear-cut game 1 starter in any big series. The proper postseason rotation of that staff was Morris-Petry-Wilcox. Berenguer/Rozema would have come on in long relief.

Even so, the end result likely wouldn't have mattered. The Mets were a smidge better that the Tigers. Probably the only 80's champ you can concretely say that about. That '84 team was magical.
 
Hammer said:
That's a major flaw in the AI in this particular case. Morris was the unquestioned ace of that staff, and the clear-cut game 1 starter in any big series. The proper postseason rotation of that staff was Morris-Petry-Wilcox. Berenguer/Rozema would have come on in long relief.

Even so, the end result likely wouldn't have mattered. The Mets were a smidge better that the Tigers. Probably the only 80's champ you can concretely say that about. That '84 team was magical.
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I feel an 80s WS tournament of champions coming on. No live baseball, might as well. :D

I'll pay more attention to the staff and lineup cards.
 
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You could do that and push it to 16 teams, including a few that we could argue should have won as well, like the '85 Blue Jays, '87 Tigers, '88 A's, and maybe even the '81 Yankees.
 
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Our 10 auto-bids go to:

1980 Phillies, 1981 Dodgers, 1982 Cardinals, 1983 Orioles, 1984 Tigers, 1985 Royals, 1986 Mets, 1987 Twins, 1988 Dodgers, 1989 A's.


For the extra 6 teams:

The WS runner's up we have to choose from: 1980 Royals, 1981 Yankees, 1982 Brewers, 1983 Phillies, 1984 Padres, 1985 Cardinals, 1986 Red Sox, 1987 Cardinals, 1988 A's, 1989 Giants.

For write-ins, i'm thinking about: 88 Mets, 87 Tigers, 86 Astros, 85 Blue Jays, 83 White Sox, 80 Yankees, 80 Orioles

Notable: The 81 season was not a full season.
 
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