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MLB 2019 and Beyond: Something Something Three True Outcomes....

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Tom Kelly says that there were a couple times he was walking up the dugout steps to go out there and Morris' glare made him just turn around.
 
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state of hockey said:
Tom Kelly says that there were a couple times he was walking up the dugout steps to go out there and Morris' glare made him just turn around.
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Blackjack was a badarse. Plain and simple. Old-schooler.
 
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The Rube said:
Best part about that game, and it's lore, is that Blackjack said, "I'm staying in." And the Twins decided, ok, he's staying in.
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My all-time most underrated player.

5 All-Star Games, 4 rings with 3 different teams, one of the greatest World Series pitching performances of all time, and he STILL had to get in through the Veterans Committee.
 
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Twitch Boy said:
My all-time most underrated player.

5 All-Star Games, 4 rings with 3 different teams, one of the greatest World Series pitching performances of all time, and he STILL had to get in through the Veterans Committee.
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The BBHOF is such BS and politics. First ballot is the top of my complaints. And then the personal BS with some of the player/media/etc relationships.
 
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state of hockey said:
Tom Kelly says that there were a couple times he was walking up the dugout steps to go out there and Morris' glare made him just turn around.
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Tom Kelly was once asked what it would have taken to remove Morris from that game. His reply: A shotgun.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Tom Kelly was once asked what it would have taken to remove Morris from that game. His reply: A shotgun.
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That is probably not far from the truth. There is braggadoccio. And there is Jack Morris and the like.
 
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Twitch Boy said:
My all-time most underrated player.

5 All-Star Games, 4 rings with 3 different teams, one of the greatest World Series pitching performances of all time, and he STILL had to get in through the Veterans Committee.
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He was a very low-end candidate who barely made it in because he was on some spectacular post season teams and a single game

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/morrija02.shtml

BBWAA got it right here. He didn’t have many marks of a truly great pitcher. He probably does belong in there but his tortuous path was probably also deserved.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
He was a very low-end candidate who barely made it in because he was on some spectacular post season teams and a single game

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/morrija02.shtml

BBWAA got it right here. He didn’t have many marks of a truly great pitcher. He probably does belong in there but his tortuous path was probably also deserved.
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It would be interesting to see certain analytics, like WHIP and such. ERA is overated a little. W-L is definitely overrated. I think he's a lower-end "in" but he should be in. He's along the lines of Bert, without taking a closer look.
 
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Ok, but he doesn’t have any of the hallmarks aside from those you mentioned. He’s an above average pitcher who played with some very good teams.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Ok, but he doesn’t have any of the hallmarks aside from those you mentioned. He’s an above average pitcher who played with some very good teams.
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The Twins in that era were not very good statistically. ;)
 
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The Rube said:
It would be interesting to see certain analytics, like WHIP and such. ERA is overated a little. W-L is definitely overrated. I think he's a lower-end "in" but he should be in. He's along the lines of Bert, without taking a closer look.
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I'm curious how people reconcile stats like WHIP with the fact that pitchers like Morris threw a ton more innings than pitchers of today. Not only would that lead to a more tired arm towards the end of the game but the same batters faced you more times per game. Morris threw 175 complete games in his career. He also topped 240 innings 10 times in his career including at age 37. Aside from maybe Verlander is there anybody today who could even attempt this without their arms falling off? I never pitched in the majors myself so will defer to anyone out here who has, but it seems to me being in the game in the 9th inning and having to face Reggie Jackson, Rod Carew or George Brett for the 4th or 5th time after having thrown 130 pitches might have an effect on your WHIP or ERA that doesn't happen if you come out with 1 out in the 6th inning and turn the game over to the bullpen.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/morrija02.shtml
 
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A single pitch today is far different than a pitch in the 90s. It’s much more damaging.

You can’t really compare IP between eras. Fat drunks like Ruth could be great pitchers a hundred years ago. Batting practice today is probably more difficult to hit.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
A single pitch today is far different than a pitch in the 90s. It’s much more damaging.

You can’t really compare IP between eras. Fat drunks like Ruth could be great pitchers a hundred years ago. Batting practice today is probably more difficult to hit.
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It's true pitches are now arm destroyers but, mandatory: when Ruth was young and a pitcher he wasn't the fat slob he was as a power hitter. He was actually trim and an excellent athlete.
 
Kepler said:
It's true pitches are now arm destroyers but, mandatory: when Ruth was young and a pitcher he wasn't the fat slob he was as a power hitter. He was actually trim and an excellent athlete.
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Thank you. I was about to jump all over dx. The ignorance some people have towards Ruth is amazing.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
A single pitch today is far different than a pitch in the 90s. It’s much more damaging.

You can’t really compare IP between eras. Fat drunks like Ruth could be great pitchers a hundred years ago. Batting practice today is probably more difficult to hit.
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I've mentioned it before, and I'll mention it again. Watch "Fastball" documentary. I bet today's coaches would recoil on numbers of innings pitched and how past pitchers pitched.

IIRC, Nolan hit his fastest pitch ever in the NINTH INNING of a game, and well past the current (accepted) 100 pitch count.

Edit: not calling you out, this post is prob most relevant......
 
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Twitch Boy said:
Mariners part 5: Ichiro quotes, A-Rod, the 116-win season, and Mike Blowers is a witch, burn him.

"Like an astronaut who brought his wallet." I love it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6AI_FJWZPY
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Fun fact: Ichiro did a stretching routine in right field after every pitch. After. Every. Pitch. By August you could see where they had to replace the sod in right field where Ichiro stood.
 
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Jimjamesak said:
Fun fact: Ichiro did a stretching routine in right field after every pitch. After. Every. Pitch. By August you could see where they had to replace the sod in right field where Ichiro stood.
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This surprises me precisely zero percent.

"What's your dog's name?" "He hasn't given me permission to tell you."

Shine on you crazy diamond.

ETA: I half wonder if (no offense intended here) autism/ASD was in play for Ichiro.
 
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