MLB 2013 - This Bud's for you!

[Hammer]

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Forgot about Clemens. That one's on me.

And don't be throwing 171 pitches in a NCAA playoff game, like former Tiger draft pick Kenny Baugh did at Rice, after the Tigers drafted him. All of a sudden next spring, his arm is dead. Gee, wonder why?

 

[Hammer]

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Jack Morris, first three full seasons in the majors (ages 23-25): 106-197-250 innings pitched. Once he hit 25, they turned him loose, and look at his IP totals, with the exception of 1981 (strike) and 1989 (the only year he was hurt). They built the arm up, although I'm a bit surprised at his 1980 innings load. But he didn't throw monster innings in his early years.

 

[jmh]

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I think that's got something to do with pitchers' injuries as well. Pitchers are throwing more pitches now as well due to smaller strike zones.

Is that true? It makes intuitive sense but I'd like to see data backing it up.

 

[MountieBoyOz]

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Is that true? It makes intuitive sense but I'd like to see data backing it up.

I'm more of a believer in stress causing wear. If a guy is using up pitches but got barely anyone on base, then he's fine. I know Nolan Ryan was a big subscriber to that theory.

 

[jmh]

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I'm more of a believer in stress causing wear. If a guy is using up pitches but got barely anyone on base, then he's fine. I know Nolan Ryan was a big subscriber to that theory.

Seems contrary to Ryan's own history of walking so many guys yet having such an incredibly long career.

 

[RaceBoarder]

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As far as any MLB rule book I've ever seen, the strike zone is still supposed to be from the letters to the knees. Umpires just don't want to call anything above the belt a strike anymore. Fix the umpiring instead of performing a drastic move like raising the mound again.


But... it's the MLB. They won't fix the umpiring, and they won't recommend that kids take time away from baseball to heal because they'll lose $$$ by churning through prospects.

You want to complain about the strike zone, but you don't even know the rule.... You might want to actually read the rulebook and learn what the location of the zone is before spouting off about it...

"The STRIKE ZONE is that area over home plate the upper limit of which is a horizontal line at the midpoint between the top of the shoulders and the top of the uniform pants, and the lower level is a line at the hollow beneath the kneecap. The Strike Zone shall be determined from the batter’s stance as the batter is prepared to swing at a pitched ball."

Depending on the batter, the top of the zone is at the very bottom of the uniform lettering or below it...

 

[jen]

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Cardinals/Pirates this weekend. Should be an exciting series (even though it looks like the Central is in good shape to get both wild cards, so they're just jockeying for position at this point).

Hopefully some of the other races get a little more interesting, since everything seems to be 3-6 games right now.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

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Cardinals/Pirates this weekend. Should be an exciting series (even though it looks like the Central is in good shape to get both wild cards, so they're just jockeying for position at this point).

Hopefully some of the other races get a little more interesting, since everything seems to be 3-6 games right now.

I'm hoping for a three way tie in the Central so we can finally use some of the wacky tiebreakers.

Three-Club Tie for Division Championship & Two Wild Card Spots:
After Clubs have been assigned their A, B and C designations, Club A would host Club B on Thursday, October 4th (tentatively). The loser of the game would be declared one Wild Card Club. The winner of that game would then host Club C on Friday, October 5th (tentatively) to determine the Division Champion. The loser of the game would be declared the other Wild Card Club.

 

[joecct]

I'm hoping for a three way tie in the Central so we can finally use some of the wacky tiebreakers.

I know its game theory, but would you want to lose the A/B game to have a better pitcher going in the Wild Card game??

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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John Axford traded to the Cardinals, or so I've heard.

 

[jen]

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John Axford traded to the Cardinals, or so I've heard.

always liked him, even when he sucked. any word who the PTBNL might be?

 

[Spartanforlife4]

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I know its game theory, but would you want to lose the A/B game to have a better pitcher going in the Wild Card game??

Hmm, I didn't think about that. At the same time wouldn't you want to try for the division win? Sure, you're mismatched in game 1 of the divisional round but you'll have the pitching advantage later on in the series.
Plus if A loses to B, then Team B beats Team C, there's no gain in pitching matchups because both A and C are going to have their second starter, all you've done as Team A is force yourself into another 1 game playoff.

 

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I'm hoping for a three way tie in the Central so we can finally use some of the wacky tiebreakers.

Wild card club? Why not spades or hearts? It's baseball, so you'd think the wild card should be a diamond.

I know its game theory, but would you want to lose the A/B game to have a better pitcher going in the Wild Card game??

There was an interesting interview (too lazy to look for it now) with Bruce Chen about how the Red Sox were going to sign him off the waiver wire to pitch a play-in game in 2011. The interview was published a couple of weeks ago before Bruce Chen shut down the Red Sox (which he always seems to, but statistics say he actually doesn't, for a different team every year). Of course the Red Sox managed to render the possibility of a play-in game moot.

 

[JF_Gophers]

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There was an interesting interview (too lazy to look for it now) with Bruce Chen about how the Red Sox were going to sign him off the waiver wire to pitch a play-in game in 2011. The interview was published a couple of weeks ago before Bruce Chen shut down the Red Sox (which he always seems to, but statistics say he actually doesn't, for a different team every year). Of course the Red Sox managed to render the possibility of a play-in game moot.

Odd, do play-in games count as a regular season game? I know for playoff games you have to be on the roster by August 31st.

 

[joecct]

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Hmm, I didn't think about that. At the same time wouldn't you want to try for the division win? Sure, you're mismatched in game 1 of the divisional round but you'll have the pitching advantage later on in the series.
Plus if A loses to B, then Team B beats Team C, there's no gain in pitching matchups because both A and C are going to have their second starter, all you've done as Team A is force yourself into another 1 game playoff.

Ah, but A has an extra day's rest?

And I don't think the days in the earlier post are right.

10/1 supposedly starts the Wild Card with 10/2 starting the LDS. But if we have the 3 team playoff
10/1 Game 1 - loser to wild card
10/2 Game 2 - loser to wild card
10/3 Game 3 - Wild Card

10/4 LDS Game #1
10/5 LDS Game #2
10/6 LDS Game #3
10/7 LDS Game #4
10/9 LDS Game #5

So the loser of Game #1 gets an extra travel day to the Wild Card playoff. The winner of Game #2 gets an extra day off before the start of the LDS. In either case, the pitching staffs could be in shambles.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

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Yeah those dates are from 2012. I just looked it up on Google and that was the first page so either MLB didn't make another page or it's just not popular enough for the Google to show on the first page.

And yes JF, playoffs (as the MLB likes to call tiebreakers since what everyone else calls playoffs is the postseason) are regular season games. Hence why Game 163 is like saying Voldemort to Tigers fans. I looked it up earlier today and still get mad about blowing the division, and then the game lead twice.

 

[lugnut92]

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How do teams get assigned A, B, and C? C seems to have an advantage of only having to win one game (albeit on the road) to be the division champ.

 

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Odd, do play-in games count as a regular season game? I know for playoff games you have to be on the roster by August 31st.

I think there are exceptions to that if you know how to manipulate the DL.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

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How do teams get assigned A, B, and C? C seems to have an advantage of only having to win one game (albeit on the road) to be the division champ.

Determining A, B, C Designations in Three-Team Tiebreakers

1. All Three Clubs Have Identical Records Against One Another

• Club with highest winning percentage among three tied clubs in intradivision games chooses its designation, followed by the team with the next highest winning percentage in intradivision games. If any two of the clubs have identical winning percentages, then then the two-Club tiebreak rules will break that tie. If all three Clubs have identical winning percentages, then;

• Club with the highest winning percentage in the last half of intraleague games chooses its designation, followed by the team with the next highest winning percentage in intraleague games. If any two of the clubs have identical winning percentages, then then the two-Club tiebreak rules will break that tie. If all three Clubs have identical winning percentages, then;

• Club with the highest winning percentage in the last half plus one intraleague game, provided that such additional game was not between any of the tied Clubs, chooses its designation, followed by the team with the next highest winning percentage in the last half plus one intraleague game. Continue to go back one intraleague game at a time until the tie has been broken.

2. Three Clubs Do Not Have Identical Records Against One Another

• If Club 1 has a better record against Clubs 2 and 3, and Club 2 has a better record against Club 3, then Club 1 chooses its designation, followed by Club 2.

• If Club 1 has a better record against Clubs 2 and 3, and Club 2 and 3 have identical records against one another, then Club 1 chooses its designation. Clubs 2 and 3 would follow the two-Club tiebreak rules to break their tie to pick the next designation.

• If Club 1 and 2 have identical records against one another, but each has a better record against Club 3, then Clubs 1 and 2 would follow the two-Club tiebreak rules to break their tie to pick the first designation.

• If Club 1 has a better record against Club 2, Club 2 has a better record against Club 3, and Club 3 has a better record against Club 1; OR Club 1 has a better record against Club 2, Club 2 and 3 have identical records against one another and Club 3 has a better record against Club 1; OR Club 1 and 2 have identical records against one another, Club 1 has a better record against Club 3 and Club 2 and 3 have identical records against one another, then:

a. The Clubs will be ranked by their overall winning percentage amongst the other Clubs combined. The Club with the highest overall winning percentage in that group chooses its designation, followed by the team with the next highest overall winning percentage.

b. If two of the Clubs have identical winning percentages, then they would follow the two-Club tiebreak rules to break their tie to pick their designation.

c. If all three teams have identical winning percentages, then the tiebreak rules above (No. 1) for three clubs having identical records against one another should be followed.

 

[Priceless]

I think there are exceptions to that if you know how to manipulate the DL.

Not sure I care to know how to manipulate DL.