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hockeyplayer1015
Capt
Uhhhhh, am I missing something here? I've seen Barry as being on the hall of fame headlines...
bigblue_dl
Armed
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?
You're not missing anything, I'm wasn't being serious. Though Gene Larkin is badass, he had the only RBI in Game 7 in '91.
hockeyplayer1015
Capt
Hahaha gotcha, I figured something like that, but just wanted to make sure I wasn't as clueless as I can be sometimes
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?
Me neither. Good player, nice guy, but not really a Hall of Famer. I wonder how many people voted for him because they thought they had to get SOMEONE in on this ballot. Maybe it's hard to judge the more recent players since we actually saw their whole careers, but some of the recent inductees or guys that got close have not really impressed me.
Me neither. Good player, nice guy, but not really a Hall of Famer. I wonder how many people voted for him because they thought they had to get SOMEONE in on this ballot. Maybe it's hard to judge the more recent players since we actually saw their whole careers, but some of the recent inductees or guys that got close have not really impressed me.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?
Supposedly he "has the numbers." He seems like a very solid A- player to me, not a Hall of Famer. But (and I know this is heresy around here) that's how Blyleven seemed to me, too.
I have a feeling this is a backlash against the (probably fair) criticism that these kind of solid, unspectacular players in big markets have gotten into the Hall while if you play in Petticoat Junction the line is higher.
Supposedly he "has the numbers." He seems like a very solid A- player to me, not a Hall of Famer. But (and I know this is heresy around here) that's how Blyleven seemed to me, too.
I have a feeling this is a backlash against the (probably fair) criticism that these kind of solid, unspectacular players in big markets have gotten into the Hall while if you play in Petticoat Junction the line is higher.
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?
I've often wondered what the HOF would look like if you took out the human factor and perceptions and came up with a set of statistics that define HOF greatness in each era (maybe using an average per year, to keep it fair for guys like Koufax or Puckett who retired early). Something like... if the bulk of your career was from 1900-1920, you should meet these criteria.. etc. Obviously you can't pick, say, Christy Mathewson and say everyone has to be as good as he was to get in, because then nobody would get in - but there must be an "average" HOFer for each era that could be used to compare.
Or - pick the "worst" HOFer in each era and run it through ALL players and see how many SHOULD (theoretically) be there because their numbers were better.
Maybe someone has already done this. But if the Hall of Fame would like to hire me full-time and completely fund my research, I would enjoy writing it.
I don't advocate actually USING it to induct players, I just think the lists would be interesting. IMO, there has to be a little imperfection and human intervention in the process, but it feels like maybe the bar needs to be re-set.
I've often wondered what the HOF would look like if you took out the human factor and perceptions and came up with a set of statistics that define HOF greatness in each era (maybe using an average per year, to keep it fair for guys like Koufax or Puckett who retired early). Something like... if the bulk of your career was from 1900-1920, you should meet these criteria.. etc. Obviously you can't pick, say, Christy Mathewson and say everyone has to be as good as he was to get in, because then nobody would get in - but there must be an "average" HOFer for each era that could be used to compare.
Or - pick the "worst" HOFer in each era and run it through ALL players and see how many SHOULD (theoretically) be there because their numbers were better.
Maybe someone has already done this. But if the Hall of Fame would like to hire me full-time and completely fund my research, I would enjoy writing it.
I don't advocate actually USING it to induct players, I just think the lists would be interesting. IMO, there has to be a little imperfection and human intervention in the process, but it feels like maybe the bar needs to be re-set.
Twitch Boy
Defacing this tagline is a MAX foul
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?
Prince Fielder to the Tigers, 9 years, $214 million.
Somewhere Juan Gonzalez is crying.
Prince Fielder to the Tigers, 9 years, $214 million.
Somewhere Juan Gonzalez is crying.
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?
Strongly agree-Perhaps the HOF needs a special Hall of Champions for those members who really were spectacular and deserve to be at a special plateau. I have no clue what would constitue spectacular achievement since it would certainly have to be different numbers for different eras. But it sure looks like there are a lot of average (and perhaps even lower than that) members. Not just in recent years either but even going way back.
Strongly agree-Perhaps the HOF needs a special Hall of Champions for those members who really were spectacular and deserve to be at a special plateau. I have no clue what would constitue spectacular achievement since it would certainly have to be different numbers for different eras. But it sure looks like there are a lot of average (and perhaps even lower than that) members. Not just in recent years either but even going way back.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?
If that were the case, Larkin is in the Hall hands down, and probably would have been in sooner. Most statistics-based analysis puts him in the top 10 SSs all-time. Bill James has him in the top 100 players all-time. Now the only two eligible from his top 100 not in are Tim Raines, who should be in, and Minnie Minoso.
If that were the case, Larkin is in the Hall hands down, and probably would have been in sooner. Most statistics-based analysis puts him in the top 10 SSs all-time. Bill James has him in the top 100 players all-time. Now the only two eligible from his top 100 not in are Tim Raines, who should be in, and Minnie Minoso.
JF_Gophers
2147483647
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?
Fuhk I hate sportswriters!
The problem with using 'first ballot' as criteria is that you then put politics and opinion back in to the equation. Voters will simply not vote a guy in on the first ballot because they think they are the sacred gatekeepers or something.
Fuhk I hate sportswriters!
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?
They already do that, so whats the difference?
JF_Gophers
2147483647
Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?
If we are making hypothetical changes, why incorporate a broken component?
WeAreNDHockey
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Re: MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?
Not a fan of yet another expansion of the playoff pool, and Selig is pushing to get it done in time for 2012. And I love the rather disingenuous (IMO) remark towards the end of the linked article about this format giving someone in the powerful AL East besides New York or Boston an additional shot at the post season. Please. The three times in the last 4 seasons where either the Yanks or the Sox have missed the post season, this format would have gotten them in. 6 times in the first 13 seasons of the "wild card" era one or the other has missed (never both) but 3 times in the last 4 seasons one has missed. I see a trend. So does MLB. The cynic in me seems to think that may be the reason behind the expanded playoff.
ETA: And just think how dull that last night of the regular season would have been had Atlanta Tampa and Boston already known going in they were headed to playoff baseball. One of the wilder final days of an MLB season in my memory.
Not a fan of yet another expansion of the playoff pool, and Selig is pushing to get it done in time for 2012. And I love the rather disingenuous (IMO) remark towards the end of the linked article about this format giving someone in the powerful AL East besides New York or Boston an additional shot at the post season. Please. The three times in the last 4 seasons where either the Yanks or the Sox have missed the post season, this format would have gotten them in. 6 times in the first 13 seasons of the "wild card" era one or the other has missed (never both) but 3 times in the last 4 seasons one has missed. I see a trend. So does MLB. The cynic in me seems to think that may be the reason behind the expanded playoff.
ETA: And just think how dull that last night of the regular season would have been had Atlanta Tampa and Boston already known going in they were headed to playoff baseball. One of the wilder final days of an MLB season in my memory.
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