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MLB 2011 Post-Season: Who misses the NBA?

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JF_Gophers said:
I think everyone is in agreement that we are rooting for the Texas Rangers to win the World Series.
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I think there's 1 or 2 Cardinals fans on the board, but yes, yes, a thousand times yes. And make it painful.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
I think everyone is in agreement that we are rooting for the Texas Rangers to win the World Series.
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I can't imagine rooting for the Texas Rangers to win anything, unless they were playing Minnesota in hockey or Miami (FL) in football.
 
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Of all the combination of teams to make the Series out of the 8 that started the playoffs 2 weeks ago, this was by far the one that least interested me. Having said that, here's hoping the Rangers treat the Cardinals to a beat down of epic proportions.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
I think everyone is in agreement that we are rooting for the Texas Rangers to win the World Series.
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Meh. I have no love for Texas, and generally root for the NL team in the World Series out of principal (fark the DH). But yeah, it's St. Louis, the Yankees of the NL, so...go umpires?
 
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unofan said:
Meh. I have no love for Texas, and generally root for the NL team in the World Series out of principal (fark the DH). But yeah, it's St. Louis, the Yankees of the NL, so...go umpires?
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Part of Pujols' contract will be he gets to take the World Championship with him to his new team...
 
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If the Rangers win, I wonder what BS LaRussa will spout off for excuses.

"That hill over the centerfield fence is bush league."
"How dare they throw inside to Pujols? We only beaned four of their batters"
"We're still seeing spots from the lighting at Miller Park"
 
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What's the story behind all the dislike of St. Louis?
 
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Priceless said:
What's the story behind all the dislike of St. Louis?
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For me, it's strictly the Tony LaRussa angle. It's my personal opinion the guy is one of the bigger a-holes in baseball.

Some of my opinion is based on what I consider the unreasonable skating he's been allowed on the steroids issue. We all know that Oakland was a cauldron of PED abuse in the McGwire/Canseco era and what I consider to be ground zero for the issue in MLB. I've also always believed that it followed LaRussa to St Louis, Mark McGwire not far behind. The sheer number of players who have been implicated in steroid abuse who played for LaRussa either in St Louis or Oakland is pretty large. Hell, even children of trusted coaches who have spent an entire career under LaRussa have been suspected. Many of these players are no longer simply suspected of using PEDs, but have admitted steroid use, like Jason Giambi, Rick Ankiel, Fernando Vina and of course McGwire and Canseco. For him to say with a straight face he had ZERO knowledge that any of this was going on, right under his nose, is ludicrous, IMO. If LaRussa was a prosecutor and was half as good at that as we are told he manages, he'd shred himself in a court for willful ignorance if LaRussa the defendant made similar claims.

The press hounded player after player once the issue became a story that many fans were interested in, rightly, if belatedly, so. LaRussa angrily denies he knows anything and that angle is basically dropped by his friends in the media, who also take every chance they can get at pimping his managerial prowess. Wow, he's hitting the pitcher 8th! What a genius! Never mind it's never been shown to do anything but introduce an out in the lineup one batter sooner. At the very least he was asleep at the wheel and was a prime reason for the abuse continuing as long as it has, at worst, he was a major facilitator. As far as I'm concerned he couldn't be a whole lot more guilty if he had been the one shoving a needle in McGwire's butt.
 
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The guy makes tons of whiny complaints over and over again, but doesn't seem to mind if he breaks those rules.

Not sure if the steroid issue (completely and rightly laid out by WeAreNDHockey) really falls into that, but he has endless complaints about the lighting, etc. at Miller Park (but has no issue with the Budweiser clydesdales taking a seemingly choreographed dump in front of the Phillies' bench). He will complain endlessly about the "bush league" behavior of a team that pitches into Pujols, but he has never once hesitated to order bean balls on opposing sluggers. It's gotten to the point on bean balls that even when the HBP is almost 100% accidental, you can't help but raise your eyebrow when a Cardinal throws it.

LaRussa is a whiny jag and it's a disgusting shame that he's going to be remembered so fondly when he retires.
 
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I am by no means a LaRussa fan as a manager-but when I was growing up the NY Giants were managed by a fellow named Leo Durocher who was famous for saying Nice Guys Finish Last. If I was the owner of one of these major league teams-I would want my manager to do anything and everything legal (no steroids of course) to make the team a winner. If TLR can have his teams more successful with whining and complaining-then as an owner I would say go right ahead with my blessing. But if he is not successful-then do like Steinbrenner and fire his *****. BTW although I do not think highly of him as a manager, he does get my respect for his philanthropic work to save animals. In that regard he is doing a wonderful thing. Just my 2¢:)
 
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DrDemento said:
I am by no means a LaRussa fan as a manager-but when I was growing up the NY Giants were managed by a fellow named Leo Durocher who was famous for saying Nice Guys Finish Last.
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Actually Durocher's quote was made when he managed the Brooklyn Dodgers and referred to the New York Giants. It was also actually two sentences: Nice Guys. Finish last. He meant that the Giant players he was referring to happened to be a bunch of nice guys who also happened to be sub-par major league material, and didn't have the fire that some of his Dodger players possessed. He wasn't trying to say you had to be a jerk to be a winning ball player. The quote was correct and in the proper context in one New York daily, the New York Journal-American, but other writers from the many other New York papers who were present ran the two sentences together and the story became entrenched. Later on he regretted that it was interpreted in the manner it became known for.

I do agree that if you're a fan of a particular team you're going to want the manager (or coach or players) to do everything possible to win. Especially if it is within the rules. Hell, I have been known to say I wouldn't mind 9 guys named Satan, Lucifer, Azazel, Mammon, or Beelzebub on my team as long as they win. That's probably going a bit to far, but still...
 
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Interesting about the quote. Reminds me of the Lombardi quote, which originally was "Winning isn't everything. The will to win is the only thing," which makes sense (as opposed to the customary quote, which makes no sense). It was also a case of the mistaken quote being used for a philosophy the opposite of the intention -- Lombardi said many times that a fixation on simply winning, as opposed to having the mindset and preparation of a winner, was inane.

Both misquotes have that hyper-masculine "grrr... strength... grr" which is why they became so popular among a certain type.
 
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WeAreNDHockey said:
Actually Durocher's quote was made when he managed the Brooklyn Dodgers and referred to the New York Giants. It was also actually two sentences: Nice Guys. Finish last. He meant that the Giant players he was referring to happened to be a bunch of nice guys who also happened to be sub-par major league material, and didn't have the fire that some of his Dodger players possessed. He wasn't trying to say you had to be a jerk to be a winning ball player. The quote was correct and in the proper context in one New York daily, the New York Journal-American, but other writers from the many other New York papers who were present ran the two sentences together and the story became entrenched. Later on he regretted that it was interpreted in the manner it became known for.

I do agree that if you're a fan of a particular team you're going to want the manager (or coach or players) to do everything possible to win. Especially if it is within the rules. Hell, I have been known to say I wouldn't mind 9 guys named Satan, Lucifer, Azazel, Mammon, or Beelzebub on my team as long as they win. That's probably going a bit to far, but still...
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That makes a lot of sense-If I were a team owner I think I would do anything to get the right players and manager for my team to win. Success fills the seats and sells advertising. I guess i am sort of fortuante-I don't root for any particular professional teams but i do follow all the sports and love to see good performances and interesting games. I don't know much about the individuals involved and especially their personal lives. They could be good guys or louses-I just would not know. As a kid I was different-living near Ebbets Field I was a die hard Dodgers fan but never forgave them for moving out West.
 
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Game 1 tonight. Wilson (Tex) vs Carpenter (StL).

Being that it is in St. Louis, and Chris Carpenter has been great in this postseason, I'd sadly give St. Louis the edge in Game 1. But the Rangers need only split the first 2 to be in good position.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
Game 1 tonight. Wilson (Tex) vs Carpenter (StL).

Being that it is in St. Louis, and Chris Carpenter has been great in this postseason, I'd sadly give St. Louis the edge in Game 1. But the Rangers need only split the first 2 to be in good position.
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Carpenter has a long history of having trouble in the first inning. If Texas is going to get to him I would think they have to do it early. If he gets settled in, he can be a tough one to crack. Suspect TLR will try to ride him as many innings and pitches as he can get out of him. In spite of the steerling pitching he got from his bull pen against the Brewers, they are not a first class pen and cannot be counted on against a line up like Texas has. I would guess the bigger edge that StL has in the first 2 games is this is NL rules with no DH. I must admit I like that-just makes the manager have to manage a bit more in some situations when you have to have the pitcher bat.
 
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Priceless said:
What's the story behind all the dislike of St. Louis?
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Personally, it's the paranoia and hypocrisy, led by TLR, that annoys me - mostly because a lot of it is directed at my team.

If the Cardinals don't win somewhere, the other team must be cheating.
Watching home runs is a sign of disrespect.. unless the Cardinals do it.
Celebrating anything is a sign of disrespect.. unless the Cardinals do it.
It is not OK to pitch inside or hit someone... unless the Cardinals do it.
TLR whining about obscure rules he would never follow himself
Carpenter and his teammates insisting he didn't swear at Nyjer Morgan, that he would NEVER lower himself to do such a thing, that Nyjer blew his top over NOTHING, Carpenter was quietly standing on the mound like an angel. Retracted by Carpenter a few days later when he admitted he dropped the f bomb and that's what set Nyjer off... but he didn't have a problem with lying about it earlier and making Nyjer look even worse (he usually does a pretty good job of that himself ;))
The media that makes Cardinals fans out to be saints because maybe they clapped once or twice when an opposing player made a nice play. It doesn't happen THAT often. They're like other fans - except their team doesn't usually wallow in last place and they have a winning record almost every year. They leave early, give up and boo just like everyone else.

Individually, I don't mind many of the Cardinals except maybe Pujols, Carpenter, and Schumaker.
 
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jen said:
The media that makes Cardinals fans out to be saints because maybe they clapped once or twice when an opposing player made a nice play. It doesn't happen THAT often. They're like other fans - except their team doesn't usually wallow in last place and they have a winning record almost every year. They leave early, give up and boo just like everyone else.
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Yeah, this is completely true and I don't get it. I've been to St Louis a couple of times and the thing their crowd most reminds me of is a Notre Dame football crowd. Sure, the place is always full, but the fans are way too quiet. I've never been in a quieter full baseball stadium in fact, and I've been in over a dozen. I think the media finds it fascinating in part because the stands always seem to be full of grandmothers decked out head to toe in Cardinal clothing. Wow, they MUST be great fans, look at all of the red. meh...
 
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