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MLB 2010: Hope Springs Eternal

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Brenthoven said:
After seeing it in real time from a couple angles, it was close.

On the slo-mo replay, sure it's not even close to close.

Now, I'm not saying this is the correct way to do things, but I would think that the ump would favor calling an out in that particular situation, if only to avoid something like this. Kinda like a scorekeeper bending the scoring rules a bit to keep a no-hitter, etc.
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That's what makes this so shockingly bad. Joyce has nothing to lose from calling him out.
 
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Even the Cleveland runner put his hands to his helmet as if to say "what, I was called safe?"
 
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RaceBoarder said:
But if you are gonna rip on him, how about we tell the situation like it is... At the MLB Level, 1/2 step is a hell of a lot faster than many people here can comprehend... It's a hell of a lot tougher than many people think to call safe/out...
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which is why they don't pull some schmo named mookie off the street, but instead hire well trained umps with years of experience in minor levels of baseball so that a play this obvious is 2nd nature. ;)

(but as he is human, he is prone to mistakes.)
 
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Just saw the post game interview with the pitcher, they aired it on MLBTV from the FOx Detroit broadcast, and I don't know anything about the kid, but he seems like a classy dude, very gracious about the situation.
 
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For general audiences, Joyce has already recanted, according to the AP:

"I just cost that kid a perfect game," Joyce said. "I thought he beat the throw. I was convinced he beat the throw, until I saw the replay."

"It was the biggest call of my career," said Joyce, who became a full-time major league umpire in 1989.

"I don't blame them a bit or anything that was said," Joyce said. "I would've said it myself if I had been Galarraga. I would've been the first person in my face, and he never said a word to me."

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I'm mad he blew the call, but he was man enough to admit it (and publicly - I believe he could have refused comment) and man enough to take the abuse from the angry players. I give him credit for that.
 
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3W said:
For general audiences, Joyce has already recanted, according to the AP:

"I just cost that kid a perfect game," Joyce said. "I thought he beat the throw. I was convinced he beat the throw, until I saw the replay."

"It was the biggest call of my career," said Joyce, who became a full-time major league umpire in 1989.

"I don't blame them a bit or anything that was said," Joyce said. "I would've said it myself if I had been Galarraga. I would've been the first person in my face, and he never said a word to me."

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I'm mad he blew the call, but he was man enough to admit it (and publicly - I believe he could have refused comment) and man enough to take the abuse from the angry players. I give him credit for that.
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That's balls. Kudos to him. Even in rec leagues, to get a ref/ump admit he made a mistake is rare.

Hammer said:
Bud Selig may have a decision to make here.
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Also true, however.

Edit: what happened to that ump that blew that foul/fair ball in the MN/NYY playoff game last year? Anything?
 
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Hammer said:
Bud Selig may have a decision to make here.
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If you mean overturn the outcome of the play I can't see him doing it. Even if its the right call, it sets a bad precedent going forward for other plays to come under his review.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
If you mean overturn the outcome of the play I can't see him doing it. Even if its the right call, it sets a bad precedent going forward for other plays to come under his review.
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The umpires are long overdue to be thrown under the bus for their brutal incompetence. This would set a good precedent and actually hold these fat arseholes accountable for putting themselves above the game.

I know Joyce didn't do that in this case, but it would send the message to put the boots to him.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
If you mean overturn the outcome of the play I can't see him doing it. Even if its the right call, it sets a bad precedent going forward for other plays to come under his review.
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No way they can do that. But they could "demote" him, or fine him, or suspend him.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
If you mean overturn the outcome of the play I can't see him doing it. Even if its the right call, it sets a bad precedent going forward for other plays to come under his review.
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Well, the reason I say that is because 1) it's a perfect game hanging in the balance, and 2) that play ends the game. If there's 1 out in the 9th, there's nothing to discuss. If it's a potential strike 3, that's a judgemental call on the strike zone and there's nothing to discuss. This should be a black and white call. Out/safe, and end of game.

And yeah, I'm well aware of the ginormous asterisk hanging in the balance here. But that ship has already sailed.
 
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WeWantMore said:
Half a step is close, but not really all that close. It's a call that is made correctly 99.9% of the time. I umpire baseball games, so I totally feel for Jim Joyce right now. Still, he made a bad call, and he's going to have to live with it.
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Actually, getting that call correct 99.9% of the time lands you in your local little league and maybe occasionally umpiring for the local high school kids. Getting paid to make that call and you better get it right a whole lot more often than 999 times out of 1000.
 
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Something big is going to come of this. I'm just not sure what.
 
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Another board that I was reading offered a very good point that wouldn't get Selig involved.

If the official scorer changes the play to an E-1 or E-3, it's still at least, a no-hitter.
 
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Hammer said:
Well, the reason I say that is because 1) it's a perfect game hanging in the balance, and 2) that play ends the game. If there's 1 out in the 9th, there's nothing to discuss. If it's a potential strike 3, that's a judgemental call on the strike zone and there's nothing to discuss. This should be a black and white call. Out/safe, and end of game.

And yeah, I'm well aware of the ginormous asterisk hanging in the balance here. But that ship has already sailed.
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What if Cleveland mounts a 2 out rally and eventually wins the game? Do you completely reverse the results?
 
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Ok, did finally see the play...

Yes, the call was missed, no doubt... Here is my theory as to what happened:

Joyce saw something that threw him off... My guess is that it was the ball rattling around in F1's glove... He saw it rattle around and his thought process went from just the runner to the runner and possession... Whatever it was, it took his thought process off of the foot and the ball... I can tell this by his Safe call... Something about it just doesn't look natural... For lack of a better term, it seems as if he went into "panic" mode...

Even with years of training, this happens... Something that just don't look right breaks your concentration and your mind short circuits for a second on the information overload... You think about what you saw and the consequences/ruling of the situation... It's hard to explain to someone who doesn't officiate sports, but you fall into a routine when making calls... Something here just wasn't kosher... I am sure that as soon as Joyce made the call, he knew he blew it... Sometimes you just can't help it when your mind short circuits... Lord knows I have it happen to me out on the baseball field... At this point, you just tell yourself something, and that is what comes out...

I know this isn't going to bring any solace to Tiger's fans, and it sucks that it cost your guy a perfect game... I just feel bad that Joyce is gonna get thrown under the bus for this... He will make 1000's of correct calls this summer, but no one will ever congratulate him for it... As someone who calls High School and College Ball, I can totally feel for him... It happens...
 
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JF_Gophers said:
If playing a game under protest ever got anything changed, this would be a candidate.

Thankfully it is a June game, and not playoff game where the outcome maybe gets changed by having the extra out.
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Nothing to protest here, under MLBs guidelines for protesting a call/game. You can protest based on specific interpretations of rules, but you can't protest individual calls based on the umpire's judgment.
 
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IrishHockeyFan said:
Actually, getting that call correct 99.9% of the time lands you in your local little league and maybe occasionally umpiring for the local high school kids. Getting paid to make that call and you better get it right a whole lot more often than 999 times out of 1000.
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Next time I'll type out 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999% . Happy?:D
 
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