Minnesota @ Wisconsin: Secondary Rivalry, Just As Much Hatred

[JF_Gophers]

Re: Minnesota @ Wisconsin: Secondary Rivalry, Just As Much Hatred

Are we really arguing about 50 years ago again?

2>1

They are slowly moving forward. They started out arguing about 70 years ago.

 

[mariucci]

Re: Minnesota @ Wisconsin: Secondary Rivalry, Just As Much Hatred

Were the cream of the crop or got the cream of the (Minnesota) crop? I assume you meant got, because other schools, some of them right next door, were winning more NCs.

Or maybe I misunderstand the point you're making--wouldn't be the first time.

Im talking the Mariucci era..

At the end of the day its a dang shame the best conference in college hockey is gonna blow up.

To all you Badger fans, no disrespect intended, I just think many of you really dont understand what makes a Gopher fan so proud, often misunderstood as arrogant. Most of us would NEVER trade the history and tradition of recruiting in state for an NCAA Championship, especially going the CJ route. If that were the case i'd stick to HS hockey (SSP Packers)..

And the fact the Badgers are now recruiting much more heavily in state is a good thing. And im all for Wisconsin adding to the D1 programs, which brings me to a question maybe someone can help me understand..

If a school can have a D1 hockey program and not a D1 football program why cant a school have a D1 Football program and not a D1 hockey program? I read the Milwaukee argument and thats what it seems to boil down to.. (Hockey isn't their main focus as I understand it).. Couldn't Superior make the transition? That would be a great addition to the sport imo.. The WCHA will have some open slots.

My apologies for any offense taken.

 

[gopher wes]

Re: Minnesota @ Wisconsin: Secondary Rivalry, Just As Much Hatred

I have never skipped over so many posts. This thread is such a waste of time....

 

[GrinCDXX]

Re: Minnesota @ Wisconsin: Secondary Rivalry, Just As Much Hatred

They are slowly moving forward. They started out arguing about 70 years ago.

We need to slow this down, at this current pace, we will get to the present time before the drop of the puck on Friday...what the he** are we going to talk about then?!

 

[solovsfett]

Re: Minnesota @ Wisconsin: Secondary Rivalry, Just As Much Hatred

Somehow I knew discussion would quickly go in this direction because, just like the Sue, the only thing bucky fans can say is 6>5.

Also,one thing to keep in mind in this whole MN born players thing is that the top talent coming out of WI recently immediately bolted for MN. *cough* Kessel family *cough*

what did that matter? Skille got the ring while Kessel sucked it up vs. Holy Cross

 

[JDUBBS1280]

Re: Minnesota @ Wisconsin: Secondary Rivalry, Just As Much Hatred

Maybe instead of making comments about how the discussion in this thread isn't about the upcoming series (which, IMO is more pointless than the discussion you're criticizing), how about make a comment about the upcoming series instead?

Novel concept, I know

 

[Driftryder]

Re: Minnesota @ Wisconsin: Secondary Rivalry, Just As Much Hatred

Time for some paint thinner and dead deer discussion.

 

[firstpusk]

Re: Minnesota @ Wisconsin: Secondary Rivalry, Just As Much Hatred

Time for some paint thinner and dead deer discussion.

A more level headed discussion, then?

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: Minnesota @ Wisconsin: Secondary Rivalry, Just As Much Hatred

I'm implying what? That kids grew up wanting to play for the Gophers, and many still do?

Mooch, this guy is a complete and utter moron.

No, you implied and even said that they started playing hockey because they wanted to be a Gopher some day. That Mariucci somehow made everyone in the state want to be a Gopher some day and made that the goal of the masses who decided to take up hockey as 5 & 6 year olds.

That's a LOT different than growing up a Gopher fan, which could be expected and is not what you said.

 

[Tiggsy]

Re: Minnesota @ Wisconsin: Secondary Rivalry, Just As Much Hatred

So you're going to stick with that most 5-6 year olds and their parents join (or joined back in the day) youth hockey because they believe (d) they could be a Gopher some day? Talk about stupid points...

Most kids who play youth hockey had parents who play (ed) hockey or have parents who were looking for a sport amongst many sports that their kid might enjoy.

That is eactly what I am saying. My boy has been to Mariucci a few times and every time he says he can't wait to be a Gopher. I did not influence him at all in wanting to play hockey. I never played. I simply gave him the option and presented hockey along with a few others. He chose hockey, and this was before he knew anyone else who played. Discounting that fact is an insult to me, my son, and every other family out there in the same situation. So sorry that you can't get it through your head that is what life is like around here or that the Gophers are a bigger impact on every day life and the choices kids make than your precious badgers ever could hope to be.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

No, you implied and even said that they started playing hockey because they wanted to be a Gopher some day. That Mariucci somehow made everyone in the state want to be a Gopher some day and made that the goal of the masses who decided to take up hockey as 5 & 6 year olds.

That's a LOT different than growing up a Gopher fan, which could be expected and is not what you said.

In never said everyone in the state wanted to be a Gopher some day. I did say that the number of people playing hockey in Minnesota increased more than it did in other places in the country because Minnesotans had a realistic chance of playing hockey after high school because of the Gopher's in-state recruiting philosophy.

So yes, a vast majority of kids who decided to play hockey in Minnesota did so because they wanted to some day play for the Gophers.

 

[solovsfett]

Re: Minnesota @ Wisconsin: Secondary Rivalry, Just As Much Hatred

Jdubbs1280 and mariucci

truth be told I as a badger fan am extremely envious of the hockey culture in minnesota, and see Mariucci as a visionary in all honesty

IF Badger Bob focused in-state vs. Canada who knows maybe UW would be there too however, I have nothing against recruiting Canadian players and feel UW should do more of that really, mainly due to the fact if they went the mariucci route now it'd be 20 years before they'd win another ncaa title and I don't want to be that old next time they win it all

also the schools that have more titles like Nodak and DU certainly recruit Canadians more frequently so why not? unless you can sell to fanbase that the team might be average or suck for 15-20 years while they play with a 90% Wisconsin-bred roster

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: Minnesota @ Wisconsin: Secondary Rivalry, Just As Much Hatred

That is eactly what I am saying. My boy has been to Mariucci a few times and every time he says he can't wait to be a Gopher. I did not influence him at all in wanting to play hockey. I never played. I simply gave him the option and presented hockey along with a few others. He chose hockey, and this was before he knew anyone else who played. Discounting that fact is an insult to me, my son, and every other family out there in the same situation. So sorry that you can't get it through your head that is what life is like around here or that the Gophers are a bigger impact on every day life and the choices kids make than your precious badgers ever could hope to be.

An insult to you?

Just because you can point out your kid or even 10 others doesn't mean that the sample speaks for the masses.

It's awfully simplistic to think that so many play a youth sport PRIMARILY because they want to be a Gopher some day. Kids are just too varied for any one thing to be a dominant factor.

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: Minnesota @ Wisconsin: Secondary Rivalry, Just As Much Hatred

So yes, a vast majority of kids who decided to play hockey in Minnesota did so because they wanted to some day play for the Gophers.

B.S.

Kids start at too young an age for even a simple majority of them to decide a concrete reason for why they are doing something.

 

[SCSU Euro]

Re: Minnesota @ Wisconsin: Secondary Rivalry, Just As Much Hatred

I have never skipped over so many posts. This thread is such a waste of time....

Right around "pole-smoker" I was gonna call up an MTU fan and order a bag of popcorn, but now I'm just looking for a desk to slam my head into. I thought the DU-CC series thread sucked... UGH I hate Tuesdays during hockey season.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

Jdubbs1280 and mariucci

truth be told I as a badger fan am extremely envious of the hockey culture in minnesota, and see Mariucci as a visionary in all honesty

IF Badger Bob focused in-state vs. Canada who knows maybe UW would be there too however, I have nothing against recruiting Canadian players and feel UW should do more of that really, mainly due to the fact if they went the mariucci route now it'd be 20 years before they'd win another ncaa title and I don't want to be that old next time they win it all

also the schools that have more titles like Nodak and DU certainly recruit Canadians more frequently so why not? unless you can sell to fanbase that the team might be average or suck for 15-20 years while they play with a 90% Wisconsin-bred roster

Thanks man. I am not criticizing other programs for not taking the same approach as Mariucci did at Minnesota, but I think understanding this is essential to understanding the pride many mistake for arrogance (yes, there is some actual arrogance from some).

I think UW and Wisconsin hockey has come a long way, and I think in the next 10 years you will see more and more Kessel and Pavelski types players emerge. And that will be a great thing for Wisconsin, UW, and USA Hockey

 

[SCSU Euro]

Re: Minnesota @ Wisconsin: Secondary Rivalry, Just As Much Hatred

So yes, a vast majority of kids who decided to play hockey in Minnesota did so because they wanted to some day play for the Gophers.

Sorry, the vast majority of kids start playing EVERY sport because they think its fun. How old are most Minnesotans when they start skating? They aren't thinking past LUNCH let alone 15 years down the road. Now they may continue hockey because they wanna wear those god-awful colors...

 

[JDUBBS1280]

Sorry, the vast majority of kids start playing EVERY sport because they think its fun. How old are most Minnesotans when they start skating? They aren't thinking past LUNCH let alone 15 years down the road. Now they may continue hockey because they wanna wear those god-awful colors...

You're missing the point completely. I am not going to rehash this entire argument.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

B.S.

Kids start at too young an age for even a simple majority of them to decide a concrete reason for why they are doing something.

Read the ****ing book. There are former players, high school coaches, USA Hockey officials, and a former NHL Comissioner who disagree with you.

 

[SCSU Euro]

Re: Minnesota @ Wisconsin: Secondary Rivalry, Just As Much Hatred

You're missing the point completely. I am not going to rehash this entire argument.

Why? Was nine times your limit?

I didn't miss your point, I get what you're saying, but the fact is that kids don't pick up a stick going, "SOMEDAY..." they pick up a stick thinking "WHEEE.... this is fun!"